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Tadashi wrote:
My point was that even if Eldrad is stronger now than he was then, he still wasn't strong enough to warrant the complete and undivided attention of the four Powers.

I grafted the information from the Horus Heresy novels with the fluff of the 13th Black Crusade. Cadia is sacred to the Word Bearers due to the fact that's where Lorgar's Pilgrimage ended. Destroy it, and you'll piss the Word Bearers off seriously. Not even Abaddon would be stupid enough to alienate the largest of the Traitor Legions just because he was irritated at Cadia's stubborn resistance.

And who got the attention of the UNDIVIDED chaos powers? Certainly not Magnus as you persist to say he was Tzeentch's favourite. Maybe the Emperor, but I think everyone agrees that the Emperor is stronger than Eldrad...

And the codices are more cannon than BL, even if GW has stated that BL books are somewhat cannon, codices>novels. If grafting information is cannon, then a guardian squad leader has access to direswords and biting blades according to Eldar Prophecy /sarcasm

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

And the codices are more cannon than BL, even if GW has stated that BL books are somewhat cannon, codices>novels. If grafting information is cannon, then a guardian squad leader has access to direswords and biting blades according to Eldar Prophecy /sarcasm

On the contrary, I am certain GW said the HH novels were the new source of canon for the Horus Heresy.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Now since Eldrad can see the future, you don't think he could re-direct the future so Abbadon and the forces of Chaos would leave Ulthwe alone and go after someone else instead? (besides, he already punked Abbadon ). It's standard practice for him. He does that to the other races of the galaxy all the time. Including and especially the Imperium.

Yeah, just like he saw that the Prophet of the Night Lords will bring the wrath of the Chaos Legions upon Ulthwe, tried his hardest to stop it, and failed. Ulthwe is doomed.


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Lord Rogukiel wrote:And the codices are more cannon than BL, even if GW has stated that BL books are somewhat cannon, codices>novels. If grafting information is cannon, then a guardian squad leader has access to direswords and biting blades according to Eldar Prophecy /sarcasm

The HH novels are touted as the "definitive" re-telling of these events, and there is no canon hierarchy for 40K.

riplikash wrote:Another thing in Magnuses favor is that Eldrad can be represented on the tabletop, whereas primarchs generally considered not appropriate for tabletop scale combat.

Four of the Primarchs (including Magnus) were made available for one of the earlier editions of Epic in their daemon prince forms. So that's not entirely true. I think that it would be more accurate to say that the fluff has been changed to say that they don't visit battlefields anymore (with the exception of Angron), so GW hasn't bothered to put them on the tabletop since their one appearance.

BlaxicanX wrote:Fulgrim didn't think he was perfect; that's a misinterpretation of his character.

Misinterpret these. *grabs crotch*

While you are largely correct in your assessment of the differences between Magnus and Fulgrim (Magnus is indeed the most arrogant Primarch before his fall), Fulgrim still reacted badly when his own "perfection" was questioned, either directly or indirectly, threatening to kill Fabius Bile for the treason of suggesting his Legion could be improved, as well as eventually killing a human sculptor for the crime of pointing out a flaw in Fulgrim's own sculpting (The lack of flaws, lol), he grew incredibly butthurt when Ferrus Manus beat him in the race to kill an enemy commander, really, Fulgrim reacted badly to those questioning anything he said or did. He certainly wouldn't stand for an alien to do so. And he didn't.

Void__Dragon wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:Fulgrim didn't think he was perfect; that's a misinterpretation of his character.

Misinterpret these. *grabs crotch*

While you are largely correct in your assessment of the differences between Magnus and Fulgrim (Magnus is indeed the most arrogant Primarch before his fall), Fulgrim still reacted badly when his own "perfection" was questioned, either directly or indirectly, threatening to kill Fabius Bile for the treason of suggesting his Legion could be improved, as well as eventually killing a human sculptor for the crime of pointing out a flaw in Fulgrim's own sculpting (The lack of flaws, lol), he grew incredibly butthurt when Ferrus Manus beat him in the race to kill an enemy commander, really, Fulgrim reacted badly to those questioning anything he said or did. He certainly wouldn't stand for an alien to do so. And he didn't.

The threat of killing Fabius Bile was only unusual in that he didn't do it though. Pretty much any primarch would have killed anyone who tried to improve on the Emperor's designs. Plus, being butthurt is an amazingly common occurrence for the primarchs (see Guilliman and Alpharius, the Lion and the Wolf, Perturabo and Dorn...)

True, a lot of them are petulant children.

Zogwort. He can turn both into squigs! *thbbbbt!*