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Kaldor wrote:

jadebullet wrote: 4) He really likes to kill the Sisters of Battle, especially in the Grey Knight codex. There really was no reason why the Grey Knights would slaughter the Sisters and wear their blood, even if it somehow magically protected them from demons. It just isn't a thought process that anyone would really have upon seeing the last holdout against the invasion.

Except for cold hearted post-human daemon hunters.

Aside from it being totally out of what 99% would have considered to be in-character for the Grey Knights. The book still drips words like "honour, valour, mastery, sanctity, exemplar, purity, true, fate", etc. Blood sacrifice and annointment in the manner of Khorne doesn't fit that image, too much cognitive dissonance, and it's not backed up really much at all, it's an isolated, highly awkward incident.

This is a common problem with Codex fluff, but I feel it stems more from the medium than any failure on the part of the writers. When space is at a premium, you can't insert a three page wall-of-text story every time you want the reader to know how bad-ass someone or something is.

I recently finished "The Emperor's Gift" which centers around the first war for Armageddon, and the defeat of Angron by the Grey Knights. During the critical fight scene one Grey Knight, a captain, fights and banishes Angron, a Daemon Primarch, and dies in the process. This is almost the exact same scene we are given when Draigo fights and banishes Mortarion. One is excellently written, and one is not. But one takes a single paragraph, while the other takes an entire chapter, and I think the difference in quality is more due to the restrictions placed on a Codex writer than anything else.

Yet, somehow, despite having similar stories of bravery and sacrifice and nobility in other codex books, it only seems goofy in Mat Ward's stuff. The whole 'carving a name into a daemon primarch's heart" thing was ludicrous. It's one thing to banish a powerful daemon, it's another to make it your *****. Page restriction isn't the issue, Mat Ward just doesn't know, or doesn't care to be, subtle or contextual.

Let's see, is Draigo Mary Sue?

The Mary Sue character is either tougher, smarter, and/or cooler than the established characters but wins their admiration, or nicer, sweeter, and/or more charming than the established characters and wins their love.

Check

(S)he also sometimes appears tortured with a tragic past, winning first pity then love.

Check ish not much pity nor love

Either way, the setting's protagonists are upstaged by a perfect character.

Check almost, Ultramarines are obviously the perfect ones as all marines aspire to be like them (including the Grey Knights who come in a close second)

If the new character dies in the story, there is extensive grieving.

Joy to the World...

Vaktathi wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

jadebullet wrote: 4) He really likes to kill the Sisters of Battle, especially in the Grey Knight codex. There really was no reason why the Grey Knights would slaughter the Sisters and wear their blood, even if it somehow magically protected them from demons. It just isn't a thought process that anyone would really have upon seeing the last holdout against the invasion.

Except for cold hearted post-human daemon hunters.

Aside from it being totally out of what 99% would have considered to be in-character for the Grey Knights. The book still drips words like "honour, valour, mastery, sanctity, exemplar, purity, true, fate", etc. Blood sacrifice and annointment in the manner of Khorne doesn't fit that image, too much cognitive dissonance, and it's not backed up really much at all, it's an isolated, highly awkward incident.

Except it perfectly highlights the total pragmatism of the Grey Knights, doing anything necessary to defeat the arch enemy, sacrificing innocents where necessary.

This is a common problem with Codex fluff, but I feel it stems more from the medium than any failure on the part of the writers. When space is at a premium, you can't insert a three page wall-of-text story every time you want the reader to know how bad-ass someone or something is.

I recently finished "The Emperor's Gift" which centers around the first war for Armageddon, and the defeat of Angron by the Grey Knights. During the critical fight scene one Grey Knight, a captain, fights and banishes Angron, a Daemon Primarch, and dies in the process. This is almost the exact same scene we are given when Draigo fights and banishes Mortarion. One is excellently written, and one is not. But one takes a single paragraph, while the other takes an entire chapter, and I think the difference in quality is more due to the restrictions placed on a Codex writer than anything else.

Yet, somehow, despite having similar stories of bravery and sacrifice and nobility in other codex books, it only seems goofy in Mat Ward's stuff. The whole 'carving a name into a daemon primarch's heart" thing was ludicrous. It's one thing to banish a powerful daemon, it's another to make it your *****. Page restriction isn't the issue, Mat Ward just doesn't know, or doesn't care to be, subtle or contextual.

Page restriction is almost entirely the issue. You could take that short paragraph mentioning Mortarions defeat, and expand it just as easily as ADB did with the defeat of Angron.

It takes time (space) to show us, but only a short sentence or paragraph to tell us something. To tell the story through subtle use of context would have required the codex to blow out triple or more it's size.

The telling, rather than showing thing is an issue with the page restriction, but the issue is that in order to counter that, Ward goes way too far and it just comes off as campy and telly. Things like carving a name into a demons heart, mind linking with the hive mind, and lying down injured while your entire army forms a wall of corpses around you in order to save your sorry ass just seem overblown. Though I like the last one. Ward builds up the guy so much, saying how badass he is, and he turns to the reader, looks them right in the eye and says, "you know how bad ass he is? This one time, he got his ass kicked, and his army just stood there around him, baracading the enemy from him with their corpses."

Achteskaya!

Matt Ward hate thread in 3... 2.. 1...

Not like this hasn't been discussed for the 5,000th time...

But to answer your question seriously if you really have never heard about Matt Ward before:

He is a bad writer who writes codexes. That is all. Nothing to nerd rage about. The only thing that's bad his tedious grimdark writing style and lack of balance or interest in characters.

Some people rage about things that other people claim he did but which never actually happened. For example, the claim that he wrote about companies of Gray Knights that are actively worshipping and serving Khorne.

Kaldor wrote:
Except it perfectly highlights the total pragmatism of the Grey Knights, doing anything necessary to defeat the arch enemy, sacrificing innocents where necessary.

Right, I get that. It's still doesn't fit with the rest of the imagery and isn't really backed up and reinforced. It's awkward and hamfisted, and isolated example without anything similar before or since, and doesn't fit the visual or feel of the Grey Knights. Had they killed the sisters to destroy the knowledge of the daemonic incursion having ever occurred, or killed them because somehow the sister's presence drew the Daemons to the world, that would be fine. Nobody would have a problem with that.

Annointing themselves with the blood of slaughtered allies is a page straight out of 'How to be a Khornate Cultists for Dummies, Chapter 1", not something people imagine or expect when they think of the Grey Knights.

Page restriction is almost entirely the issue. You could take that short paragraph mentioning Mortarions defeat, and expand it just as easily as ADB did with the defeat of Angron.

It takes time (space) to show us, but only a short sentence or paragraph to tell us something. To tell the story through subtle use of context would have required the codex to blow out triple or more it's size.

And again, only Mat Ward's works seem to have this issue, other codex writers don't seem to get the same sort of hate. There's a reason for that. Draigo had two pages of fluff, significantly more than most characters, if he can't manage it in twice the space other characters get and don't have the same ridiculous overblown issues, then it's not a space issue.

Mat Ward just writes like an over-excited 12 year old. Other writers don't have the same issue, especially not with characters that get two pages for a unit entry instead of the usual one.

Hey, at least he's not Gav Twerp...err...Thorpe. Anyone remember him?

TR

Vaktathi wrote:

Kaldor wrote:
Except it perfectly highlights the total pragmatism of the Grey Knights, doing anything necessary to defeat the arch enemy, sacrificing innocents where necessary.

Right, I get that. It's still doesn't fit with the rest of the imagery and isn't really backed up and reinforced. It's awkward and hamfisted, and isolated example without anything similar before or since, and doesn't fit the visual or feel of the Grey Knights. Had they killed the sisters to destroy the knowledge of the daemonic incursion having ever occurred, or killed them because somehow the sister's presence drew the Daemons to the world, that would be fine. Nobody would have a problem with that.

Annointing themselves with the blood of slaughtered allies is a page straight out of 'How to be a Khornate Cultists for Dummies, Chapter 1", not something people imagine or expect when they think of the Grey Knights.

It has always been sort of a paradox in European "witch hunting" mythology that the witch hunters were just as, if not more, versed in Dark arts as the witches themselves...really, the whole episode sounds exactly what a Daemon Hunter would do. Everything is justified by greater good (not Greater Good).

I might note that in Space Wolves codex, Space wolves began killing Sisters for apparently no reason at all.

That said, Ward is not a very good writer, but not for the reason people usually cite (pretty much same thing as "Phantom Menace" was not bad because of Jar-Jar Binks). I could go on and on about his failings, but it can be summed up simply: Ward has no understanding of the concept "Less is more".

Trench-Raider wrote:Hey, at least he's not Gav Twerp...err...Thorpe. Anyone remember him?

Yes, he is the author of the fantastic Dark Elves army book. And he wrote 3 novels fleshing out the background of them (Malekith etc.). He was responsible to keep GW background on track and is missed badly.

My opinions of Matt ward go in two directions.

1 - Throw the bum out because his writing style is a blight on the cherished past of 40k and his rules are OTT and most of the time unnecessary.

2 - Let him write all the remaining codexs. This way they will all be of equal power (broken) and true balance can return to the hobby.

I've often said, the only way to have a truly balanced fight (with the generals being equal) is if only matt ward books face off against matt ward books.

Kroothawk wrote:

Trench-Raider wrote:Hey, at least he's not Gav Twerp...err...Thorpe. Anyone remember him?

Yes, he is the author of the fantastic Dark Elves army book. And he wrote 3 novels fleshing out the background of them (Malekith etc.). He was responsible to keep GW background on track and is missed badly.

Yes the fantastically power creeped Dark Elves, alongside Vampire Counts.

He wrote good novels and good fluff but, he is an absolute Horrible codex writer.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Trench-Raider wrote:Hey, at least he's not Gav Twerp...err...Thorpe. Anyone remember him?

Yes, he is the author of the fantastic Dark Elves army book. And he wrote 3 novels fleshing out the background of them (Malekith etc.). He was responsible to keep GW background on track and is missed badly.

Yes the fantastically power creeped Dark Elves, alongside Vampire Counts that pretty much if you didn't have them, you might as well pack your models up and leave.

He wrote good novels and good fluff, he is an absolute Horrible codex writer.

Mr.Thorpe wasn't the utter gakhead who broke the entirety of 7th edition though...

VC's could still always be insta-killed turn 1 by sniping their general. (or hell, they could even kill their own general if they miscast enough times!) Sure DE's could wreck you with their magic phase, and the shadestar + double hydra combo was dumb, but it wasn't unstoppable.
Both those armies still had weaknesses to pick on, which is why you didn't see them winning every single event but instead, typically placing alongside Skaven & Lizardmen as a part of the 'Big 4' competitive armies in 7th.

Daemons of Chaos on the other hand. Well, even the dirtiest DE list looked tame compared to them!

Daemons were the ultiment beat-stick, and were so badly OP that even a 7-year-old could take them and curbstomp most other players.

GK lore is just messed up in the extreme and i could never play them myself even if they were a balanced army.

What he did to memphiston is a complete joke S6 T6 he can fly and buff himself up to strength 10, he can take on Ork stompas and have a decent chance of winning, its BS and thats just 1 char in the BA book before you even get to the ass with the deathmask, or librerean dreadnoughts.

Necrons were balanced in 5th, but of course he ruined that aswell boosting them quite alot in 6th, though i grudgingly have to admit i do prefer the new fluff as it gives them so personality now.

I apparently look alot like him so we are planning to substitute me for him and bring sanity back to the game, i shall also write the new SW book in which we will become the best marines ever and everyone will praise russ as the best primarch ever.

Experiment 626 wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Trench-Raider wrote:Hey, at least he's not Gav Twerp...err...Thorpe. Anyone remember him?

Yes, he is the author of the fantastic Dark Elves army book. And he wrote 3 novels fleshing out the background of them (Malekith etc.). He was responsible to keep GW background on track and is missed badly.

Yes the fantastically power creeped Dark Elves, alongside Vampire Counts that pretty much if you didn't have them, you might as well pack your models up and leave.

He wrote good novels and good fluff, he is an absolute Horrible codex writer.

Mr.Thorpe wasn't the utter gakhead who broke the entirety of 7th edition though...

VC's could still always be insta-killed turn 1 by sniping their general. (or hell, they could even kill their own general if they miscast enough times!) Sure DE's could wreck you with their magic phase, and the shadestar + double hydra combo was dumb, but it wasn't unstoppable.
Both those armies still had weaknesses to pick on, which is why you didn't see them winning every single event but instead, typically placing alongside Skaven & Lizardmen as a part of the 'Big 4' competitive armies in 7th.

Daemons of Chaos on the other hand. Well, even the dirtiest DE list looked tame compared to them!

Daemons were the ultiment beat-stick, and were so badly OP that even a 7-year-old could take them and curbstomp most other players.

True enough on DoC, I will never argue against that, the problem is everyone seems to think it was completely peachy before Ward's ultimate mess was released onto the scene.

hobojebus wrote:What he did to memphiston is a complete joke S6 T6 he can fly and buff himself up to strength 10, he can take on Ork stompas and have a decent chance of winning, its BS and thats just 1 char in the BA book before you even get to the ass with the deathmask, or librerean dreadnoughts.

One Strength D hit from that very Stompa and Meph ceases to exist. I guess we'd better whine about Ghazghkull, Abaddon and Ironclad Dreadnoughts, they can take on Stompas too, after all. That you're complaining about Dante and Librarian Dreadnoughts is just silly, how are they OP?

I hate Ward because when they were remaking Daemonhunters I wished so bad that they were gonna make it into a joint GK/SoB codex.
I always saw them as two sides of the same coin.

Instead he made them some sort of worst enemies... not that that shows in the 6th ed allies rules, mind you.

But why, Ward. WHY that slowed story of bathing in Sister blood? WHY, YOU MONGOLOID, WHY!?

I'm just gonna ignore it and not think of it as canon. My GKs ****ing love the Sisters.

hobojebus wrote:I apparently look alot like him so we are planning to substitute me for him and bring sanity back to the game, i shall also write the new SW book in which we will become the best marines ever and everyone will praise russ as the best primarch ever.

Is this you?

Please stop this. I thought the Mat Ward threads had stopped being so popular...

Kaldor wrote:Except it perfectly highlights the total pragmatism of the Grey Knights, doing anything necessary to defeat the arch enemy, sacrificing innocents where necessary.

It's not the pragmatism, but the choice of sacrifice I find repugnant. And the whole bathing in blood thing. It's just OTT. It is, as many have mentioned about Ward's writing, the wild fantasies of a 14 year old.
It's just piss poor writing. Try reading the books of Joe Abercrombie for example.
There you can read about pragmatism and a mindset that devours countries and people, and still everything is much more subtle and well thought out.
Bathing in blood has nothing to do with how the GK used to be.

He might aswell have said that GK covered their armour in the bones of dead daemons (which actually would have been less OTT) and then released a whole new range of GK looking like a cross between orcs and space marines.

The pragmatism argument only comes in if it is fact that the blood is what protects them, and Ward CREATED that fact. He could have created something less stupid.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Please stop this. I thought the Mat Ward threads had stopped being so popular...

Has Matt Ward stopped ruining things?

Guys guys, break it down logically! It all makes sense.

GK are perfect bastions of the Imperial faith and have never succumbed to the taint of chaos. They are demi-god super warriors to the scale of making even the mighty Ultrasmurfs wither away before their awesome.

Sisters of Battle are epic pyromaniacs and very faithful, disciplined, skilled amazon warrior bad asses, but have succumbed to the taint of chaos, and really are perfectly fallible/mortal despite aforementioned faith/discipline/pyromania

Therefore, applying the blood of the Sisters of Battle to one's armor would OBVIOUSLY make one even MORE demon resilient well above and beyond the many layers of anti-demon stuff ranging from wards and blessings to the intense physical, mental and spiritual training of the Grey Knights, again noted to be extreme even in the eyes of a veteran normal space marine.

So as you can see it clearly... oh, wait yes that makes no sense at all. Unless you wanted to distract the demon you were about to slit up by disguising yourself as it's favorite snack, the blood of the innocent, which sounds a lot more like a sacrifice to me... but really that's a stretch and not how a knight concerned with honor and all that good stuff should behave. *checks a book on chivalry* Yep, nothing in here about dicing up allies, or ladies for that matter in the event of convenience against a terrible foe.... wait.... well I suppose you could call it cowardice. Not trust in one's own training, weapon, comrades, honor and faith to carry the day and instead having to hid behind cheap charms and tricks... or again the blood of innocents.

Bottom line? SoBs should all get Preferred Enemy: Grey Knights and Matt Ward needs to have his pen and word processor taken away.

Tazay wrote:I have been hearing a lot of Matt Ward lately. And I was wondering who he exactly was, and why everyone hates him? Or dislikes him.

This is the most balanced article on Matt Ward: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matt_Ward

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Bottom line? SoBs should all get Preferred Enemy: Grey Knights and Matt Ward needs to have his pen and word processor taken away.

Can't we just agree that that whole episode was some malicious rumour started by a deranged lunatic?
It makes no sense, so it obviously isn't true.

GK and SoB should both get preferred enemy: people that think that's what happened.

I can see it now. A GK and an SoB were on a romantic date. All in love and it's not like a neutered GK is gonna be able to defile the pure SoB, so they're sort of just left to it. Chapters turning a blind eye. So there they are. In love at a café, enjoying a decaf soya latte, when a daemon turns up, lured there by the sweet smell of... well, you know. So the daemon splatters the SoB all over the GK. The GK just saw the love of his life dismembered. He, despite his training, just sits there in shock, covered in SoB blood... and then some deranged lunatic passes by and draws his own conclusions.

And this story still makes more sense than the alternative

Codex GK nuff said Matt Ward do one.

Purifier wrote:The pragmatism argument only comes in if it is fact that the blood is what protects them, and Ward CREATED that fact. He could have created something less stupid.

I get that you don't like it. But I don't get why?

Further, there should be no real relation between the Grey Knights at the Sisters of Battle. The Grey Knights are the militant arm of the Inquisition. The Sisters are the militant arm of the Church.

Very different things.

Kaldor wrote:
I get that you don't like it. But I don't get why?

Further, there should be no real relation between the Grey Knights at the Sisters of Battle. The Grey Knights are the militant arm of the Inquisition. The Sisters are the militant arm of the Church.

Very different things.

First of all, I already told you. it's the hyperbole writing of a 14 year old. It's gakky writing. Second, I refer you to Kalashnikovs post:

Therefore, applying the blood of the Sisters of Battle to one's armor would OBVIOUSLY make one even MORE demon resilient well above and beyond the many layers of anti-demon stuff ranging from wards and blessings to the intense physical, mental and spiritual training of the Grey Knights, again noted to be extreme even in the eyes of a veteran normal space marine.

So as you can see it clearly... oh, wait yes that makes no sense at all.

and as far as SHOULD goes, what do you mean SHOULD? Are you implying that fluff has never changed before? I think it would be perfectly fine if it turns out that the church the Sisters follow is just another section of the church the Inquisitors get their directives from. It wouldn't be as huge as GKs all of a sudden turning Sisters into blood-sponges and performing Khorne-like rituals.

The GK are built on a sort of pedestal of knight in shining armour and fully aware of it. And that's what I like about them. They are self rightous pricks. And they would never do something that makes them look like Khorne-worshippers. They would, they way I have seen them, more likely claim this to be Chaos-like and condemn it.

ultramarines would do whatever they could to gain the advantage. That's why they are easy to corrupt. GKs don't. They are already made of awesomenite.

Having to wear a flamer retardant suit to open a thread named Mat Ward.

Purifier wrote:First of all, I already told you.

No, you're pretty much just ranting.

Are you upset that the blood of an innocent could be used to ward against the bloodtide? Are you upset that the Sisters of Battle happened to be the innocents in question? I don't get it.

I think it would be perfectly fine if it turns out that the church the Sisters follow is just another section of the church the Inquisitors get their directives from.

You want to make the Inquisition, who are answerable only to the Emperor himself, get their directives from the church?

Why?

Kaldor wrote:

Purifier wrote:First of all, I already told you.

No, you're pretty much just ranting.

You just cut out the part where I repeated the explanation.

IT'S THE HYPERBOLE WRITING OF A 14 YEAR OLD. IT'S BAD WRITING.

Kaldor wrote:You want to make the Inquisition, who are answerable only to the Emperor himself, get their directives from the church?

Why?

Why not?

The real inquisition were catholic. Answerable only to God, yet a part of the church.

Purifier wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Purifier wrote:First of all, I already told you.

No, you're pretty much just ranting.

You just cut out the part where I repeated the explanation.

Look, I hate to break it to you but that's not really an explanation. That's your opinion.

I'm asking you to flesh it out a bit, so I can understand your opinion.

What parts are hyperbole? Why do you think they are?

Why not?

Because that would be a drastic re-organisation of the background material. A huge shake-up on a scale never before seen, that would fundamentally change the entire background of the Imperium, invalidating the background of every other codex as well as the core rulebook, and the end result would be a lack of diversity within Imperial background and a much more bland faction over-all, as it removed much of the political infighting between the various organisations and simply replaced it with the Ministorum, who rule everyone.

Purifier wrote:I hate Ward because when they were remaking Daemonhunters I wished so bad that they were gonna make it into a joint GK/SoB codex.
I always saw them as two sides of the same coin.

Maybe you, but almost no-one else did. "Witch Hunters" codex was always an aberration, forced marriage of two very different and completely separate organizations. One might just as well hope for combined IG/GK-codex.


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Purifier wrote:
The GK are built on a sort of pedestal of knight in shining armour and fully aware of it. And that's what I like about them. They are self rightous pricks. And they would never do something that makes them look like Khorne-worshippers. They would, they way I have seen them, more likely claim this to be Chaos-like and condemn it.

As Grey Knights-codex explains, they see no conflict between their own use of sorcery and abhorrance of Daemon. And it makes sense, in a way. UN Peacekeepers carry guns and ride tanks, after all....

Kaldor wrote:

Look, I hate to break it to you but that's not really an explanation. That's your opinion.

I'm asking you to flesh it out a bit, so I can understand your opinion.

What parts are hyperbole? Why do you think they are?

Did you read Kalashnikovs post? that pretty much wrapped it all up. The whole thing is written with nothing more than the mindset of "wouldn't it be awesome if they like just totally killed their allies?"
It's not material to anything else. It's not like I'm the only one that finds it wanting either. A lot of people find it silly and uncalled for.

It's like Draigo. He just sort of wanders around the daemon-plane being so badass THEY are scared of HIM in THEIR home. It feels ridiculous.
Or the Paladins, that have to chase down and kill one of 666 daemons. Does that mean there can only be 666 paladins ever? And they'll obviously choose as easy one to chase as possible, so the last guy is gonna have one hell of a daemon to chase.

Or do they plop back out into the mortal plane? Then there has to be one of those daemons, a little easier to chase than the others, that feels like the dungeon boss of some MMO, getting chased over and over, killed over and over, every time some paladin needs toprove his mettle.

It's poorly thought out. It's bad prose. Like I said, read a Joe Abercrombie book or something. Then read the Matt Ward stuff again. It's like reading fan fiction for Harry Potter.

Kaldor wrote:
Because that would be a drastic re-organisation of the background material. A huge shake-up on a scale never before seen, that would fundamentally change the entire background of the Imperium, invalidating the background of every other codex as well as the core rulebook, and the end result would be a lack of diversity within Imperial background and a much more bland faction over-all, as it removed much of the political infighting between the various organisations and simply replaced it with the Ministorum, who rule everyone.

No need. All of that would be unchanged. Again, just look at the Catholic church. There is nothing in the history of man that has had more in-fighting. Them being different parts of the same church means nothing more than that.

Backfire wrote:

Purifier wrote:I hate Ward because when they were remaking Daemonhunters I wished so bad that they were gonna make it into a joint GK/SoB codex.
I always saw them as two sides of the same coin.

Maybe you, but almost no-one else did. "Witch Hunters" codex was always an aberration, forced marriage of two very different and completely separate organizations. One might just as well hope for combined IG/GK-codex.

This, however, is a fair point. I realise I am close to alone there.
It was a desire more in the realm of that I felt they were both very limited and to some extent boring codexes that would create variation in troops and tactics if pushed together properly.

Backfire wrote:As Grey Knights-codex explains, they see no conflict between their own use of sorcery and abhorrance of Daemon. And it makes sense, in a way. UN Peacekeepers carry guns and ride tanks, after all....

I feel like you have to draw the line somewhere, or you might as well also say they Worship Khorne for his boons in order to drive back the daemons. I draw my line before bathing in blood. It doesn't feel GK to me.