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I don't mean to blame the victim here, but you know, perhaps she shouldn't have taken her baby to a an anti-gay rally in a predominantly gay district if she didn't want to be shouted at by gay people while holding her baby.

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TheHammer wrote:This is exactly what I'm talking about.

You probably have some pretty ugly issues and views of race if you complain about how awful the New Black Panther Party is, AND are in favor of voter ID laws that are done to lower African American voter turn out.


If you assume voter ID laws are there to lower African American voter turnout then I agree, you have some issues

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broodstar wrote:
Melissia wrote:I have a voter registraiton card. That proves who I am as well as any driver's license.
I sappose, touche, I don't carry my voter registraition card so I just show my driver's license. You do agree that you should prove who you are, right?
Yes, but the voter registration card is more than enough.
Frazzled wrote:If you assume voter ID laws are there to lower African American voter turnout
What's to assume?

Republican politicians have repeatedly and consistently said that's PRECISELY why they're putting the laws in. There's no assumption. They admitted it. On national news even.

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I find it amusing that the same people who are allegedly not capable of going to the DMV to acquire a form of ID are more than capable of making their way to an abortion clinic or wherever the hell they go to pick up welfare checks.

And if these people can't make it to the DMV to to get some ID how are they going to get to a hospital to make use of their free healthcare?

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Abortion clinics? Are you drunk?

   
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Evidently over 70% of the US populace kowtow to Republican politicians in your world.

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generalgrog wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Its a term used to shut down the conversation and bandied about way too much nowdays.


Bingo!!

Xole also hit the nail on the head earlier by calling it a meaningless insult, which I think is a real shame, because it used to actually mean something to call someone a bigot.


I agree, it is used to shut down conversation, but some conversations simply aren't worth having after a certain point; those being the ones in which one participant might properly be called a bigot. The word means just as much as it always has, and has been misused frequently given that it generally only comes up in emotionally sensitive conversations. Indeed, I tend to think that it was used even more freely during the 60's.

Also, I suspect the degree to which you feel the word is overused correlates directly with the frequency with which its used to refer to you, much as is the case with all contentious descriptors.

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Melissia wrote:I don't mean to blame the victim here, but you know, perhaps she shouldn't have taken her baby to a an anti-gay rally in a predominantly gay district if she didn't want to be shouted at by gay people while holding her baby.


I completely agree. She vastly underestimated how intolerant those gay bigots could be.

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broodstar wrote:
Or have people use the word correctly and not just as a personal attack to win debates.


That's actually the proper way to use the word, so I'm not sure what you're on about. Personal attacks are perfectly acceptable in the course of argument, so long as they're relevant to the subject.

broodstar wrote:
OMG, it's such an inconvienence to go get an ID to vote. Tell me how going to get an ID is such an inconvienence ecspecially in states like South Carolina where ID's are FREE.


Would you also then say that its acceptable to require ID to purchase a gun?

TheHammer wrote:and fear mongering against Muslims

broodstar wrote:
I take it he forgot what racial demograph alqida recruits from.


Its interesting that you would refer to Muslims as a race, seeing as one could argue that the tendency to view Islam as monolithic is the direct result of the manner in which that religion has been demonized by many.

generalgrog wrote:
Melissia wrote:I don't mean to blame the victim here, but you know, perhaps she shouldn't have taken her baby to a an anti-gay rally in a predominantly gay district if she didn't want to be shouted at by gay people while holding her baby.


I completely agree. She vastly underestimated how intolerant those gay bigots could be.


And certainly the decision to, essentially, bait the homosexual community is not at all an issue.

Moreover, bringing a child to any political protest is profoundly stupid.

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GeneralGrog apparently still can't comprehend the idea that many homosexuals are Christians as well... therefor in his eyes the counter-protest, where all they did was say "shame on you" a lot, was bigotry against Christians.

A silly position at best.

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generalgrog wrote:
Melissia wrote:I don't mean to blame the victim here, but you know, perhaps she shouldn't have taken her baby to a an anti-gay rally in a predominantly gay district if she didn't want to be shouted at by gay people while holding her baby.


I completely agree. She vastly underestimated how intolerant those gay bigots could be.

GG


Problem is, like others, you cry victim frequently between your very public bouts of prejudiced thinking. You seem to think that people strongly opposing someone expressing some very nasty opinions about gay people, is equivalent to people being intolerant towards someone for actually being gay, not for doing anything nasty or dangerous, but just because of their sexual orientation. The two just aren't equivalent.

If someone partook in an anti-black rally in an area predominantly made up of black people, and they got some abuse, you probably wouldn't be so quick to blame the locals for being unreasonably upset and bigoted.

generalgrog wrote:
MrDwhitey wrote:Nice, comparing homosexuality to paedophilia.


Comparison..In that they are considered sexual perversions.

Yes..Mr. Treesong always likes to bring that little ditty up, but he always forgets the part about where I said that I didn't equivocate homosexuality to pedophilia...but it gets him short term shock value points so he keeps bringing it up. Quite unfairly, because he uses it out of context, in my opinion.

Again it's another shot at me, not at the topic at hand.


It's quite difficult to tackle this subject without addressing the specific views of those involved. You seem very keen to say what you like about others or entire demographics of society, but never have any accountability for saying it.

I don't need to make a prolonged 'attack' against you for you to increasingly satisfy yourself that are the victim. Frequently when the topic of homosexuality comes up on Off Topic you say exactly the same things, and then cry that people are being bigoted against *you* when you're challenged. You claim that I've taken your quote 'out of context', but I could produce masses of similar comments that you have made over a couple of years, if I so chose, but I won't choke the thread with them. Anyone looking over your posting history can see them all.

But 'context' as you say is important. And when someone starts a thread about how overused terms like 'bigotry' and 'intolerance' are, and how unfairly they are labelled as such, it's absolutely fair to analyse where the person is coming from to get this impression of the world around them in which such terms are apparently being thrown around so unfairly.
   
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dogma wrote:
Moreover, bringing a child to any political protest is profoundly stupid.


1) they looked like they were just walking down the street. Mel says it was some political rally, how does she know that?
2) it doesn't matter, that angry mob of gay people and the way acted towards what appeared to be peacefull Christians was a disgrace. For all I know all they did was sing amazing grace.

Again it's a perfect illustration of my OP.

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generalgrog wrote:
dogma wrote:
Moreover, bringing a child to any political protest is profoundly stupid.


1) they looked like they were just walking down the street. Mel says it was some political rally, how does she know that?
2) it doesn't matter, that angry mob of gay people and the way acted towards what appeared to be peacefull Christians was a disgrace. For all I know all they did was sing amazing grace.

Again it's a perfect illustration of my OP.

GG


It illustrates how you have no idea what was going on there, you just assume the christians must have been the victims in it. Those peacefull christians were probably being arrested for something, which is why the cops were escorting them.

 
   
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generalgrog wrote:
dogma wrote:
Moreover, bringing a child to any political protest is profoundly stupid.


1) they looked like they were just walking down the street. Mel says it was some political rally, how does she know that?
2) it doesn't matter, that angry mob of gay people and the way acted towards what appeared to be peacefull Christians was a disgrace. For all I know all they did was sing amazing grace.

Again it's a perfect illustration of my OP.

GG


I've watched thousands of videos of Christians being ridiculously vicious and intolerant. I reckon for every incident of a gay mob being aggressive towards a Christian there are ten for what you and your ilk get up to.

http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/forum/topics/christian-group-behind-attempt - Christian Group Behind Attempt to Have Gays Murdered in Uganda
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/anti-gay-hate-crimes-murders-national-coalition-of-anti-violence-programs_n_1564885.html - Highest Number Of Anti-Gay Murders Ever Reported In 2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gary_Matson_and_Winfield_Mowder- Gay couple from Redding, California, who were murdered by Christian Fundamentalists

But.. what's this.. some gays shout at someone and its "Christian Victim Time"

Its common bloody sense as well lets be honest. The majority doesn't NEED protecting, popular speech doesn't NEED protecting.. its the gak that's in the minority that needs looking after because everyone agrees with all the other stuff!

And there are a couple hundred million of you and your pals in the USA. gak, the mother fethers in suits used to knock on my bastard door three days a week in Pasadena and harass me, how many times has a gay bloke come dressed in assless chaps and a leather baseball cap come and interrupted your Sunday morning and demanded you think about switching to cock? I've never once been harassed by a gay, I've had LOADS of gak from Christians.

As always, you are playing the victim and you are being a hypocrite. Its an obvious fact that gays need protecting from Christians, and not the other way around.

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generalgrog wrote:
dogma wrote:
Moreover, bringing a child to any political protest is profoundly stupid.


1) they looked like they were just walking down the street. Mel says it was some political rally, how does she know that?
Because I actually pay attention.

THere were numerous protests in the Castro District regarding proposition eight.

Not that you give a damn. You're too busy lying to yourself trying to pretend being the victim for that.

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generalgrog wrote:
1) they looked like they were just walking down the street. Mel says it was some political rally, how does she know that?


For one, they had a police escort, which should immediately tell you they weren't simply walking down the street.

If that's not good enough, here's the background:


In San Francisco's Castro District, people on both sides of the same-sex marriage controversy confronted each other on Friday night, as police tried to keep the peace. Proposition 8 passed in a close vote and eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry.

Members of the gay community said that almost every Friday night, a Christian group meets at the corner of Castro and 18th Streets. They try to convert gays and lesbians into a straight lifestyle.

This Friday night, the message didn't go over well. Some gays and lesbians reacted by trying to chase the group out of the Castro.

"Their rights were respected," said Joe Schmitz, an opponent of Prop 8. "They got a chance to go ahead and pray on the sidewalk and I had the opportunity to express my freedom of speech which is telling them to get out of my neighborhood."

San Francisco Police officers in riot gear formed a line and escorted the religious group into a van to safely get them out of the area.


generalgrog wrote:
2) it doesn't matter, that angry mob of gay people and the way acted towards what appeared to be peacefull Christians was a disgrace. For all I know all they did was sing amazing grace.


I sincerely doubt that's the case, you don't generate that much attention for simply singing Amazing Grace. You might get a few people being donkey-caves, but not a few hundred, especially seeing as Amazing Grace is a fairly generic Christian song.

Is it disgraceful? Not really. I think that if you make your personal beliefs a matter of public spectacle (and praying on a street corner, and trying to convert passers by is a public spectacle) you open yourself up to being accosted in public. This applies to gay pride events as well, especially those that effectively either by intention or otherwise, bait conservative groups. The "Kiss In" event staged at several Chik-fil-As being a great example.

Ultimately, though, you have to remember that this is a sociopolitical conflict in which there isn't a whole lot middle ground to be had. Once you get two sides that cannot compromise, not only due to the absence of willingness but the absence of options, volatility follows.

generalgrog wrote:
Again it's a perfect illustration of my OP.


I think any reasonable definition bigotry would include both of the groups portrayed in the video. Though I think that repeatedly staging an anti-gay event in a predominantly gay neighborhood is essentially asking for some level of confrontation (If the intention was "conversion", then it pretty much has to be definition.), and that putting a child into that environment is profoundly irresponsible.

I also think that the homosexual community has a far better justification for the intolerance it expresses than the conservative community does. One is essentially angry over being denied a privilege that would be extended directly to them. The other is mildly offended by the prospect of having to cope with the existence of that privilege, which has no direct effect on them.

Then, of course, there's that whole bit about the historical persecution of homosexuals.

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broodstar wrote:
TheHammer wrote:
Amendment #14
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Also, you should probably read a book before you click-clack on your keyboard.


You're really going to try that? OK, how is that depriving someone of life, liberty, or property?


That's the more relevant passage with regard to the conversation at hand.

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Moreover, gay marriage cannot be denied on religious reasons because that would violate freedom of religion-- not every religion, and indeed, not even every church within Christianity, is against gay marriage.

So if one wants to claim that marriage is a religious thing, then they've already lost the fight against gay marriage in the first place.

So the argument instead becomes a civil liberties issue.

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That thing about Left handedness cracked me up. My grandpa went to a religius school where they would tie up his left hand to force him to write with his right hand and beat him with a ruler if he did.
But Ontopic, i think something we need to realize is this, anti gay sentiment is going down each year, the more and more society evolves, the more we accept those with differences. There is no reason to hate GG, pity him, for he has let his hate cloud his love of his fellow man.

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It's not hatred on my part, so much as annoyance. He's hiding behind playing the victim instead of facing up to his beliefs.

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It's gross that many people are trying to hide their bigotry and lies with outrage over being accuses of being bigoted liars.
   
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TheHammer wrote:It's gross that many people are trying to hide their bigotry and lies with outrage over being accuses of being bigoted liars.


Indeed, its also gross that many people are trying to hide their bigotry and lies with outrage that others are trying to hide their bigotry and lies with outrage over being accused of being bigoted liars.

I too have been called a bigot on this forum by people who don't know me. Fortunately for me I view their opinions and well their existence in general, as an overall waste of skin so it doesn't bother me.

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generalgrog wrote:

So I ask you what is a bigot?.......... really?

GG



Someone who insults other peoples sexuality (like they can control who they're attracted to), for example showing disgust towards gay people.

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Cheesecat wrote:
generalgrog wrote:

So I ask you what is a bigot?.......... really?

GG



Someone who insults other peoples sexuality (like they can control there sexual attraction), for example showing disgust towards gay people.


How about gay people calling others "hetero!" and "breeder!" ?

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Frazzled wrote:
Cheesecat wrote:
generalgrog wrote:

So I ask you what is a bigot?.......... really?

GG



Someone who insults other peoples sexuality (like they can control there sexual attraction), for example showing disgust towards gay people.


How about gay people calling others "hetero!" and "breeder!" ?


Depends if the context is casual slang or an insult.
   
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Mmm.... context. Got it. I'm sure breeder is just fine if in the right context.

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It's an annoying thing for some of the more obnoxious people say far too often, I agree.

Then again, we're working on the technology that will allow homosexuals to breed, too, so it's not like it'll be accurate for long.

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Frazzled wrote:Mmm.... context. Got it. I'm sure breeder is just fine if in the right context.


OK, I can see "Breeder" being insulting but "Hetero" that's just describing my sexual orientation that's not really offensive to me.
   
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This is getting awful.

Cheesecat asserts that those that homophobia is bigotry.

Frazzled response is to ask if homosexuals who call heterosexuals "breeders" is also bigotry, as if they were somehow equal.

Yes, because obviously denying marriage rights, equal protection, and otherwise trying to shame and make it difficult to be homosexual is the same exact thing as the strawman uppity gay guy calling a hetero dude a "breeder".

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