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I think the changes to the starter are getting better. Better tutorial, mimi campaign, more figs especially exclusive ones. Also, my home store sells it at cost to lure people in to start the hobby. Letting locals either get in or make a prifit

It definately is when you compare it to the price of buying the BRB. The BRB by itself is something rediculous like $120AUD while the DV box set is about $160AUD. You are also given hundreds of dollars worth of miniatures. A good deal in my books.

Its good value for money. Too bad GW aren't as fair in all their pricing.

when you consider that its cheaper than the brb at the hobby store i go to, then Yes its a very good value

Well it is pretty good even I didn't buy it
There are terminators and many more

Some of the molds for the minis are lower quality however.

 Jackal wrote:

The way the hellbrutes designed its easy to change the posing of head, arms and legs,
so multiple of them isnt an issue. (want 3+ of them).

Must be different hellbrute to what I've seen then.

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
Some of the molds for the minis are much lower quality however.

There I fixed that for you.

Black reach was far better.

I think there is not enough Choas and too much DA.

I think this set is certainly worth the dollars, very much unlike many GW products.

I think DV is a pretty great beginner's box set, I don't personally play either army, but soem of the models look really nice.
Far better in terms of the variety of poses than Black Reach (I have 60 of the Black Reach Boyz, it's pretty horrible.)

 loki old fart wrote:

 Jackal wrote:

The way the hellbrutes designed its easy to change the posing of head, arms and legs,
so multiple of them isnt an issue. (want 3+ of them).

Must be different hellbrute to what I've seen then.

Haha yeah IKR, it's unfortunately pretty limited.

I'd rather buy a Chaos Battleforce.

The contents of the box are nice. I feel that this boxed set is not a complete game. It provides you with two unbalanced forces. It has some cute mission type things, but really is just an exercise on trying to imagine what playing 40k could be like. There is no terrain at all. No objectives at all. It's just a primer to buy more stuff. Now Dead Zone....that is a starter set. Dark Vengeance Miniatures are great and you get the most useful rulebook produced for 40k, but I can't base the value versus other 40k stuff. I have to make my judgement based on other starter sets and this one is crap. It forces you to either make terrain yourself (a practice that GW does not condone) or use household items for terrain, unless you buy more stuff. So...how useful are those cultists without cover? It just seems like the box should be called Dark Raping, a story of Dark Angels murdering the gak out of a small chaos force....and if you buy the limited, it is even more outrageously unbalanced. A good value for people who already own almost everything else for 40k. A gak value for anyone trying to start playing as this will only lead to them spending hundreds more and I am too good a person to convince someone that it is somehow worth the price. In fact, this game is such a money pit, that I would not attempt to convince any of my friends who don't make at least 40k a year to start playing. On the other hand, it is an excellent value for people who wish to play as The Fallen, in which case, this is an awesome army starter. This and the Cypher dataslate is all you need.

I feel that a starter box schould contain the core rulebook and two at least point-equal armies.
Or the Core book, one codex and one army (but with starter kits for all armies available, obviously).
As far as I could see it, the DV boxes - just like Aobr before - were mostly bought as cheaper battleboxes by existing players and not as starter kits for new players.

I like the Dark Vengeance. It's got good models in it, a mini rulebook, and everything else you need to play, so yes it' a really good deal. The only thing would be some more dice in there and maybe a tape measurerer

I think its decent for the money. defiantly a easy way to start an army or 2. Or split the box with a buddy!! Personally I was a bigger fan of the AOBR box, mainly cuz I play orks Bahaha!

$50 per person for 2 armies with gorgeous models, mini-rulebook, some dice, is very nice.

The extra stuff you'd need to paint and play a "legal" game was an unpleasant supprise however...

I think that, when you compare the set to other GW products, DV represents excellent value for money.

However, when you think of it for what it is, I think it is the same as all other releases by GW - woefully overpriced

Two friends of mine, that play Dark Angels and Chaos respectively, have gone halvesies on Dark Vengeance four or five times. I've even considered picking up a box as well for the terminators and bikes. I don't play dark angels but with some snippers and a file I could have those icons off in short order and just sell or trade off the rest.

In terms of value, it's actually a pretty good deal for the rules and the models.

In terms of it functioning as a starter set, it's hopelessly unbalanced. Chaos should have gotten a Winged Daemon Prince instead of a Helbrute. That would have fixed a lot of the balance problems right off the bat.

I bought a box of DV for $75 free shipping on ebay. Sold the units individually on ebay and made $40

I wouldn't do it again, just an experiment. Definitely the space marines in the pack sell quick between $40-$50 I sold the book for $25. I didn't do so hot on the chaos but the cultist were a hit with my buyer.

Nah, I think the Helbrute is fine, you needed a vehicle in the starter set.

But I did end up working out that the starter set is nearly perfectly balanced if you make it a Chaos Sorcerer instead of a Librarian. - An incredibly simple, easy fix.

 Commander_Nightflier wrote:
when you consider that its cheaper than the brb at the hobby store i go to, then Yes its a very good value

Except of course the brb is hugely overpriced.m

Now I think it's great value, ($160 Australian Dollar) I think it's a good starter kit, although "batteries" would be nice. Sprue cutters, paint, paint brushes etc... at only a small extra cost. I think a negative would be that it might scare beginners off, with the price. If I didn't already buy the tactical and terminator squad, I'd probably be saving up for it.

I look at it this way. If you're interested in the new Hellbrute Data-slates as units. Buy one of the new Hellbrute kits, then buy up DV sets to get cheap Hellbrutes. Sell off the stuff you don't want, when a new Hellbrute goes for $50 US, you can get one to get the weapon options to put on all of your DV Hellbrutes PLUS you get the rest of the box to either use or Sell off to make up the difference. My guess is you'll come out ahead.

I think it is good value for what it is but wish it came with proper models and not snap fit style.

The box is aimed of course at new players so the snap fit is fine for them but for people already invested in the game when the 6th ed came out we where looking at either spending 65 quid on Vengeance and getting a bundle of cool looking but static minis with the new rules etc or spending a straight 45 on the new rulebook.

I would rather spend 20 more but get proper multi part minis and then use them to bulk out my marine army/have loads of new bits for the bits box/start a chaos army.

My first and only starter box was the 3rd ed Dark Eldar and Marine box, with which you got - a proper multi part Tactical squad, a multi park landspeeder. 20 Dark Eldar Warriors (the most unbalanced box set ever I think... The only way the DE could take out the LS was with S4 splinter cannons of which only 4 models could have them from the 20 and that needed 6 then 4 or 6 to glance and destroy!) plus the full size rule book, a bunch of dice, painting guide and a set of rather nice looking ruins.

Everything in that box stayed on my mini shelf and was used in games till I sold everything years later. The new marines just don't fit unless I want a DA army.

Compared to other companies miniature games in box form, NO, not a good deal.
For those that say the miniatures are a good deal, toys are much cheaper at Toys R Us, as well as other companies models (since no one supports "GW only" anymore) and the models included are not necessarily good, or used by players in the larger version of 40k, except maybe the Cultists.
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If you want models from DV, you can buy them seperately from various sellers for cheap. (DV bikes go for about $18 for three, vs $41.25 from GW direct)
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DV presents itself as the larger version of 40k, but DV is not.
DV is not a complete game, as HUNDREDS of DOLLARS worth of MORE models are needed to play the larger game of 40k.
DV models need more rule books to play the larger version of 40k (Codices needed; Dark Angels $49.50, Chaos Space Marines $50, Crimson Slaughter $49.50, Black Legion $49.50)
DV includes no terrain (or mat), so players will have to buy some.
DV rules are not updated or supported.
DV mini Rulebook is glossy, and has tiny print, difficult for even a person with 20/20 vision to read in perfect light.
DV is not meant to be a stand alone skirmish game, nor does it play that way.
DV is not a fair game with the models included.
DV models, for the most part, are not used in the larger game of 40k.
DV models are static, and a difficult for a beginner or veteran modeler to change poses.
etc.
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So, really not a good deal any way you look at it.

I got it yesterday and im converting all the DA to CSM