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2014/02/04 00:34:13
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Goliath wrote: How is he racist? I understand that skid and mudflaps came across as racist, but the voices were the decision of the voice actor, not Bay.
If there have been other instances where he's supposedly been racist then I'm genuinely curious.
I'm working from memory here, but I recall four black characters in the first movie: the used car salesman, the hacker and their mothers. Three were shrill, obnoxious people, and the fourth had no lines.
And if Skids and Mudflaps were the voice actor's idea, he should have been told to GTFO. It's a movie about a war between giant robots and it doesn't need these sorts of obnoxious racist stereotypes, even if you're doing it ironically.
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2014/02/04 00:39:40
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Goliath wrote: How is he racist? I understand that skid and mudflaps came across as racist, but the voices were the decision of the voice actor, not Bay.
If there have been other instances where he's supposedly been racist then I'm genuinely curious.
I'm working from memory here, but I recall four black characters in the first movie: the used car salesman, the hacker and their mothers. Three were shrill, obnoxious people, and the fourth had no lines.
And if Skids and Mudflaps were the voice actor's idea, he should have been told to GTFO. It's a movie about a war between giant robots and it doesn't need these sorts of obnoxious racist stereotypes, even if you're doing it ironically.
They weren't doing it ironically. The actors were aiming for "white boys trying to be gangstas"(think Kevin Federline) and audiences saw black stereotypes.
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2014/02/04 02:53:31
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Not to be rude, but other than a slew of buddy cop movies, and the Matrix Trilogy, what did the 90s give us in films?
You had the Rugrats and Futurama, which both pretty much ran themselves into ruin. Michael Bay is welcome to the 90s. The 80s much more commonly picked up an idea and dropped it.
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I stand corrected! I was trying to think of franchises rather than one shots. And I have no excuse for forgetting Jurassic Park.
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2014/02/04 11:08:08
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Goliath wrote: How is he racist? I understand that skid and mudflaps came across as racist, but the voices were the decision of the voice actor, not Bay.
If there have been other instances where he's supposedly been racist then I'm genuinely curious.
I'm working from memory here, but I recall four black characters in the first movie: the used car salesman, the hacker and their mothers. Three were shrill, obnoxious people, and the fourth had no lines.
And if Skids and Mudflaps were the voice actor's idea, he should have been told to GTFO. It's a movie about a war between giant robots and it doesn't need these sorts of obnoxious racist stereotypes, even if you're doing it ironically.
Apart from the guy that gets fourth listing on the actors on the Wikipedia page...
Robert Epps was one of the main characters, not a stereotype, and a pretty cool dude. I think you might be purposefully trying to find reasons for him to be racist
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2014/03/15 12:20:10
Subject: Re:A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
There'll be shell to pay for these atrocities. Don looks like he took the pants off a samurai, while mikey robbed a yoga studio.
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2014/03/15 13:12:43
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Gitzbitah wrote: There'll be shell to pay for these atrocities. Don looks like he took the pants off a samurai, while mikey robbed a yoga studio.
I don't think it's their outfits that deserve shell. It's Michael Bay's "Vision". I feel like this should count as a crime against nature. Raph looks like a thug, Don just looks like an over-the-top dork, Leo looks like a brute, and Mikey doesn't look too bright. He basically took the most commonly seen feature of each turtle and caricatured it. Raph may have been a punk, but he was also the heart of the team-he was emotional, his emotions just tended to be nasty more often than heartfelt, but the loving emotions were there (believing Splinter dead, he went nuts). Don was a techie, but he was willing to crack heads with the best of them and kicked shell. Mikey was the lovable one, but that doesn't make him deserve to look like he's slow. And Leo might have been the strongest, but his strength was in leadership and weapon handling-not brutality. So once again, Michael Bay works to screw my childhood in a very uncomfortable place.
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2014/03/15 16:41:00
Subject: Re:A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Raph's small head looks weird. I'm hoping maybe that's just a problem with the action figure, rather than how he will actually look on screen. I'm hoping that for all of them, really.
I really hope Michael Bay doesn't jack this thing up, but I know there's a good chance he probably will.
Hordini wrote: Raph's small head looks weird. I'm hoping maybe that's just a problem with the action figure, rather than how he will actually look on screen. I'm hoping that for all of them, really.
I really hope Michael Bay doesn't jack this thing up, but I know there's a good chance he probably will.
That's what I meant in my post, his everything looks really bad
2014/03/17 09:21:29
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Goliath wrote: Robert Epps was one of the main characters, not a stereotype, and a pretty cool dude.
I think you might be purposefully trying to find reasons for him to be racist
Michael Bay's first big budget film was Bad Boys. Two black leads are a strange choice for a racist.
Point being, I think it's important to draw a line between 'that thing in that movie is racist' and 'that person who made the movie is racist'.
The two robots in the film are, fairly obviously, racist caricatures. There's just no sensible way to debate it, just look at what they do in the movie. And besides those two characters, Michael Bay's films are full of cheap stereotypes, almost always played as negatively as possible for a cheap laugh. This is because Bay doesn't care about interesting characters or any of that nonsense, he wants easy jokes to fit in between the explosions and slow motion running. And mocking stereotypes are perhaps only second to slapstick as the jokes most likely not to go over anyone's head. And there's plenty of slapstick in Bay's movies...
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2014/03/17 09:44:24
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Oh dear! Raph looks like he's constipated in that toy pic! I'm not sold on the reproductions of this toy line from the new movie! and while I was/am a huge Turtle fan from back in the day (yes i even had the comics) I don't like Michael Bay's view on how to bring these to life, the stills we've seen don't convey a great sense of how they will look when animated, and because of this they do indeed look rather 'odd' with those lips and outfits. I shall withhold my final opinions until after I watch the movie, which I am still excited about being a fan! I'll admit i'm nervous about enjoying it or having it totally destroy the great 90's version (yes! it was and stil is great and bloody enjoyable!) I just hope he doesn't latch onto the steroetype for each turtle which sadly from what we've been shown here may well be the case! they're Ninja's and should be stealthy not blowing gak up! and if Don makes any kind of ray gun or stupid exploditron to justify blowing up things (except for Megan Fox, you can blow her the $5&# up) I'm walking out! and now i'm rambling! too many words trying to flow through me to convey my emotions!
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2014/03/25 08:44:46
Subject: Re:A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Paramount just revealed the first ever footage from Michael Bay's live-action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie. We've seen the Turtles in action — and they look like GIGANTIC GREEN BABIES.
Tonight at CinemaCon 2014 Paramount let Will Arnett (who plays Vernon Fenwick in the movie) introduce the first ever teaser for TMNT. Thus revealing what the turtles look like in action — oh yeah, and completely changing everything for the turtle canon forever. Here's what we saw:
The best way to describe the look of the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is giant, galumping, green babies. Like the baby masks that costume shops sell on Halloween, only as turtles. Similar to these babies below — but with Voldemort's nose and very, very childlike eyes. It's very jarring, but kind of what we expected.
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However, the turtles are MUCH bigger than we ever suspected. They are absolutely giant, and when they land they make a huge thud noise. They are simply massive. Their skin looked very smooth, similar to how we've seen them before. It's a weird cross of baby face, monster nose, green skin and all tied together by something vaguely phallic.
I'm not saying that they're good or bad. I don't know yet, because it was such a short glimpse. It was definitely weird, at first sight. But the one important note is that the toys do NOT reflect the sheer magnitude of these creatures.
Moving on to the actual meat of the trailer, it starts with William Fichtner (who plays Shredder) giving a gravely voice over and a God's-eye view of (what I'm presuming is) New York City at night. "Crime, violence and fear have run rampant. Our great state is being destroyed. People want justice restored.... people want heroes, Ms. O'Neil." Which means he's talking to Megan Fox's character O'Neil.
Cut to shots of the sewers and members of the Foot Clan storming the sewers and running about on the streets. Note: The Foot have an interesting new look, the purple hood has been replaced with a shiny (ish) mask over the cloth hood. It's like a mask on top of a mask. The quick cuts in the sewer continue, and then you realize that April O'Neil is trying to record some sort of ninja happenings in a dark sewer with her iphone. Always the reporter, that April.
Ficthner's voice over continues, "Heroes are not born, they're created... That was what your father and I were trying to do. Create heroes." WHAAAAAAT that means April O'Neil's father helped Shredder to create the Turtles which, WHAAAAT!!!!"
Cut to a shot of a laboratory with lots pipes and one giant clear cylinder. Exceptionally similar to TMNT-inspired toys and ooze sets.
William Fichtner reappears to give a profile shot facing the mask of Shredder! The mask looks GREAT.
A close up shot on a clear canister with the letters "TCRI" on the side which could stand for "Techno Global Research Industries" or "Techno Cosmic Research Institute," depending on which way this movie wants to take the science. And inside, beautiful green ooze!
Cut to a snow scene. The Turtles are sliding around down a snowy mountain. The scene is fast but it looks like they are using their shells for snowboards. One Turtle yells out "batter up!" So that's the first evidence that this movie adaptation is trying to capture the childlike innocence of the turtles. No one says cowabunga — which is sad, but I'm guessing that's probably been cut due to it being no longer culturally relevant.
One turtle slides out on the mountain, and an Army truck cuts him off. He hits the truck shell first in slow motion and the whole thing just smashes to bits. It's very delightfully Michael Bay, in the best of ways. It looks like the truck kind of tickled the turtle.
And now the big reveal. April O'Neil is running away from something on a roof. Leonardo crashes down in front of her with a massive thud. She turns around and there's Michelangelo with his hands up pleading with April to stop, "Woah. It's just a mask, don't freak out." He takes off his tiny little orange mask revealing the face of a anthropomorphic turtle. With, really sweet cute baby eyes and amazing skin. "See?" April passes out. THE END. No Splinter, yet. Unless he's April's Dad. You laugh but...
So April's father created the turtles, which is kind of a silly tie in that's not really that necessary because she's a reporter and thus already invested — but OK, WHATEVER. Shredder, played by Fichtner, is most likely going to be totally awesome. And also the Turtles are funny, and look like babies.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2014/03/25 13:34:47
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
April's dad as a mutant? I'd say they've been taking cues from the new cartoon, but they've been working on this way before Season 1 aired and that happened in Season 2.
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2014/03/25 23:01:47
Subject: Re:A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2014/03/27 15:44:36
Subject: Re:A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
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2014/03/27 17:48:59
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
If TCRI's there, I wonder if the Kraang/Utroms are involved.
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2014/03/27 18:12:52
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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2014/03/27 18:27:57
Subject: Re:A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
As someone who was never really a fan of TMNT I must say that trailer is incredibly bland. Looks like any other hollywood blockbuster to me.
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2014/03/27 19:26:34
Subject: A Look at Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
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