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Picked up the codex today. There's a lot to like, and it will definitely be changing my play style which is both good and bad. I see myself using a ton of infantry this time around which will be a bit of a hassle, but I have a ton of painted guardsmen and a bunch of Russes that didn't see the table as much as they should have. The Primaris Psyker also sticks out to me. Not quite as good as an Inquisitor when left vanilla, but when you make him ML2 there is a guaranteed prescience roll and plenty of other goodies in divination. If you run 3 of them you are getting 6 shots at a 4++ for a blob (I like my odds there). Eat your heart out Azrael.

I also never used Yarrick in the past, and I may not be seeing all the angles, but for less than the price of a Vanilla Russ you get a nigh invincible IC warlord that can order your blob around without getting picked off because he's in a 5 man squad. Seems legit to me...

Please bring me back to earth if I'm blowing things out of proportion out of "new codex joy" haha.

How about this.

DA gives you Azrael and a ML2 Libby with a force axe.

HQ of some description
3 ML 2 Primaris Psykers
10 Bulgryns with the grande launcher and slabshield

30 wounds at T5 2+4+ with FNP and IWND, 10 Small blasts to shoot at close range, 41 S5 attacks on the charge with prescience, 12 S4AP2 and 4 S5AP2 attacks as well as Azrael's knocks, and whatever HQ you get for guard. If you're feeling really frisky, throw in ministorium priest for re-rolls so you can focus on getting endurance, and 3 engineseers because 9 extra S4AP2 atacks.

Probably won't be the netlist, but it's food for thought.

Range of 1280 points, right?

Well now that you can get 3 Level 2 Psykers with Divination and they're able to attach themselves to squads. That's not...good. I mean I may be wrong but if it's a IC then it can attach itself to a Space Marine Squad correct, for example Grav Centurions.

Man priest is there for re-rolling armor/invul saves( so those ogryns will have a 4+re-rollable in combat.

Your right on the t5/6 my bad marine autopilot.

I dunno there is just something satisfying about 100 guys for 300 points getting squad buffs.

Honestly with all the leadership and IC stuff available to IG Hard to pass up on conscripts imo.

I'm gonna be picking up another 20 or 30 guardsmen to build as lasgun scrubs hahahah

So, with the advent of in-house divination on top of getting it from Inquisitors, lets discuss prime targets of our new found Prescience abilities.

Prime Targets for the Prescience Divination power:
1) Leman Russ Squadrons
2) Manticores
3) Heavy Weapon teams w/ Orders
4) Armored Sentinel Squadrons.
5) Infantry Blobs

What else guys? Deathstrike perhaps?

Basilisks and any ordinance really. Getting to re-roll the initial scatter as well as each subsequenct blast.

Conscript blobs of 50.

Anything where you want it to stack with orders really. So something has tank/monster hunter. Give it divination so its got double re-rolls.

Also the larger the unit, the better but that kinda goes without saying.

TL everything, eat your heart out eldar.

Combined with orders the TL will really blow up the use of even basic lasguns. 50 conscripts isn't normally scary but when TL, precision shot, and possibly ignore cover it gets scary.

Blobs can make a serious come back with priests like they are.

As for allied SM grav stars even 3 Lv2 primaris Psyker tigy is far superior and cheaper.

I was a bit dissappointed at the loss of the colossus but what we have gained has made up for it. I think I will be rocking plasma blobs and lots of tanks and psykers. Getting access to divination was huge. The only real pity was the final nail in the coffin of the ordnance russes.

 EmilCrane wrote:
I was a bit dissappointed at the loss of the colossus but what we have gained has made up for it. I think I will be rocking plasma blobs and lots of tanks and psykers. Getting access to divination was huge. The only real pity was the final nail in the coffin of the ordnance russes.

You haven't lost it, just buy the forgeworld book. Most older opponents will allow it, since the model was in normal 40k.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 EmilCrane wrote:
I was a bit dissappointed at the loss of the colossus but what we have gained has made up for it. I think I will be rocking plasma blobs and lots of tanks and psykers. Getting access to divination was huge. The only real pity was the final nail in the coffin of the ordnance russes.

You haven't lost it, just buy the forgeworld book. Most older opponents will allow it, since the model was in normal 40k.

I never really used them, I stopped playing guard after a run of bad luck and switched to marines for a while. Definitely going to go back now. But I'm just sad to see options leaving the codex. Also one of our other local guard players swears by them so he will probably be upset at their loss, forge world is fine here but neither he or I has the money for IA:1 at the moment.

I kinda like the astropath, he's cheap enough to take as a nice-to-have but has the potential to really ruin someone's day if they come around hunting for your warlord.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
marbo is being released in the catachan data slate that will be out soon.

Any source or quote on that?

Yeah, where'd you get that nugget?

EDIT:

I really don't see Pask in a Punisher being the new hotness for 1 reason: 24" range. There's a lot of things with a greater than 24" range that will be zeroing in on that tank.

 alarmingrick wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
marbo is being released in the catachan data slate that will be out soon.

Any source or quote on that?

Yeah, where'd you get that nugget?

EDIT:

I really don't see Pask in a Punisher being the new hotness for 1 reason: 24" range. There's a lot of things with a greater than 24" range that will be zeroing in on that tank.

Like commanders in Vanquishers.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
marbo is being released in the catachan data slate that will be out soon.

Any source or quote on that?

Yeah, where'd you get that nugget?

EDIT:

I really don't see Pask in a Punisher being the new hotness for 1 reason: 24" range. There's a lot of things with a greater than 24" range that will be zeroing in on that tank.

Like commanders in Vanquishers.

Exactly. Someone else's Pask in a Vanquisher.

Why is pask in a punisher a drawback at 24" range when he can rock a 4+ cover all day with camo nets, a smoke launcher and the move-shoot-smoke order?

Pask 420

 Las wrote:
Why is pask in a punisher a drawback at 24" range when he can rock a 4+ cover all day with camo nets, a smoke launcher and the move-shoot-smoke order?

Pask 420

Because my Vanquishers will be shooting at him turn one and out ranging him all day long. He is a killy tank, you just have to be able to deliver him.

Off topic, but every time I read the title of the thread I have the Priest of Sigmar from Warhammer: Mark of Chaos screaming it at me.

I now have the codex in my sweaty mitts, and my initial attempt at a 1500pt list would be:

HQ
CCS (4 meltas) in a chimera - the CCS would sit at the back, ideally in cover inside the Chimera. That said I'm drawn to swapping them for Creed


PLT
10 grenadier Vets (4 plasma) w priest (plasma pistol) in a chimera
10 grenadier Vets (4 plasma) w priest (plasma pistol) in a chimera
PCS (4 plasma) with Psyker and 3 platoons each with an autocannon and plasmagun

HS
1 Leman Russ

ALLIES
Imperial Knight Paladin - either sit on an objective or try and dislodge one

The Knight is obviously a lot of points, but if I replaced him it would either be with 2 Vendettas (which Ive always found a bit hit and miss) or 2 more Russ (possibly upgraded), but i'm more sold on the IK

So that's a confirmation for Sergeants getting access to plasma guns.

What weapons does a Priest have access to, altogether?

pangloss666 wrote:
I now have the codex in my sweaty mitts, and my initial attempt at a 1500pt list would be:

HQ
CCS (4 meltas) in a chimera - the CCS would sit at the back, ideally in cover inside the Chimera. That said I'm drawn to swapping them for Creed


PLT
10 grenadier Vets (4 plasma) w priest (plasma pistol) in a chimera
10 grenadier Vets (4 plasma) w priest (plasma pistol) in a chimera
PCS (4 plasma) with Psyker and 3 platoons each with an autocannon and plasmagun

HS
1 Leman Russ

ALLIES
Imperial Knight Paladin - either sit on an objective or try and dislodge one

The Knight is obviously a lot of points, but if I replaced him it would either be with 2 Vendettas (which Ive always found a bit hit and miss) or 2 more Russ (possibly upgraded), but i'm more sold on the IK

Not a fan of the plasma on the PCS. I'd still stick with 4 flamers. Just me.
Plus it gives you 40 points to put to the Russ. Which brings me to my next point.
1 Russ will not last long, normally. Having that IK might keep it safe for a few more turns as they focus on the IK instead.

Yeah, I thought that about the Russ, but im tight with the points. Maybe I could drop the Russ for a Vendetta? or even 3 armoured walkers with lascannons

So...
If I want to use Scion specific orders, I must take Scions as allied detachment, right?
Otherwise, Scions can be taken as Elite for IG and can use commands from C:AM, right?

Damn, they should be able to use their own commands without need to ally. On the other hand, allied Tempestus detachment gives IC commisars...

Quick question: how many points are astropaths and wyrdvane psykers?

Seems like this codex is now getting a pretty good reception, then. ALthough the loss of units does hurt, I suppose everything else getting better makes up for it from a tactical points of view, if not from a fluff one.

Are conscripts still brought as part of platoons, or are they their own entry now. Because if they can go solo, then we get even cheaper and better scoring blobs (20 infantry is 100 minimum, and a PCS, 20 conscripts+Commissar is 85). If they are part of platoons, it still means we have plenty of leeway to use the Infantry in a more attacking role with dime-a-dozen conscripts sitting back.

I think one thing that might be worth playing with is a Dragoon-style mech list. Now the Chimera is hurt by loss of fire points, perhaps the best option is to move up+flat out, the move and disembark at point blank range with several squads and deliver a mass melta/plasma salvo. Next turn, get back in, rinse and repeat. Realistically you're only getting to do this 2-3 times per game, but with multiple squads it could be pretty neat. You could also put augurs on the Chimeras and bring in some Scions to add to the initial punch, and then have the Vets rejoin the rest of your army for the second attack, essentially ensuring they're supported each time.

The reduction of Fire Points severely limits the usefulness of a gun-based CCS (you can't use them like above as they don't have the ablative wounds), so are people seeing them in a more supporting/command role, using the Regimental Standard (assuming it's still the same) to bolster the staying power of a gunline? Or is that outclassed by cheap Commissars? Is there a place for CCS these days, given that LCs do their leadership role better (and Yarrik gets orders, to boot) and Command Russes clearly outshine a Chimera-based CCS?

I've been doing the "pop and drop" since 5th edition (where you flat out chimeras up to range then everyone gets out and slaughters the enemy) so I should be able to adjust to the changes to mech pretty easily. For added bonus use your chimeras to block LOS to your vets and separate the parts of your enemy's force that you're murdering from the rest. That said I think the CCS is going to be best used as a support unit, banner, orders, toolbox commander.

EDIT: Posted in the wrong thread but its still relevant...

 Paradigm wrote:
Is there a place for CCS these days, given that LCs do their leadership role better (and Yarrik gets orders, to boot) and Command Russes clearly outshine a Chimera-based CCS?

The Senior Officer orders alone make them worth considering and regimental advisors are still very nice.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Is there a place for CCS these days, given that LCs do their leadership role better (and Yarrik gets orders, to boot) and Command Russes clearly outshine a Chimera-based CCS?

The Senior Officer orders alone make them worth considering and regimental advisors are still very nice.

True, those orders are very nice. I thing there's still some merit to the Standard+Lascannon+advisors-to-taste setup, but I think the gunboat CCS is probably dead, moving them to a support role. Bearing in mind two of the Warlord traits actually buff those orders that's good as well.

I think they'll need Carapace if on foot, especially now it's so much cheaper. Maybe even swap the LC for a mortar to be able to hide out of LOS.

I think Yarrick is the clear winner for HQ characters, though. He basically combines a souped up Lord Commissar and a CCS, while being able to hide in a blob and dish out more bonuses, as well as being hard to put down.

I've been fiddling around with this build.

Pask in Vanquisher with LC/MM sponsons
2x Eradicators

Pask makes the best of his S8/9 shooting, ordering G,KoS while the eradicators deal with an infantry unit of some descript - they could comfortably net first blood for me against the right enemy (not MEQ, although they could do that) while my pask takes on some armour or knocks a wound off a riptide. It seems like a balanced unit that can deal with a lot of targets reliably.

Replace Eradicators with exterminators as you wish.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Replace Eradicators with exterminators as you wish.

I think that this would be a better idea. With eradicators, you are wasting a lot of fire if you fail your order check. Exterminators have a better cross over with the vanquisher, both being good against light/medium vehicles and fliers.