Illegal immigrants see ‘free pass’ when crossing US border, expert says

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**hotsauceman1**

cincydooley wrote:
Gen. Lee Losing wrote:
My Dad immigrated to the US. He sees himself as American. In his youth he went through all the interviews and paperwork.

My recently departed wife was an immigrant. I had to figure out all the papers myself, and pay thousands of dollars in fees. She died before she could become a full citizen but was a permanent resident.

I love legal immigration. It can be enforced. It should be. No one has a right to be here unless they have the approval of the US Government. That approval must be earned. To throw away the hard work I did for my wife and make it a freebie to others is insulting.

I have some Eastern European friends that feel the exact same way.

If all the Indians, Russians, and Asians can legally become citizens, why are we making a special case for Central Americans?

I have asked that same question. And the only answer is get is that because there are so many of them.

**Dreadclaw69**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because the kids where not the one breaking the law really, but they are still treated like it.

So the kids are there legally?

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hotsauceman1 wrote:
I disagree cincy, they are kids that most likely had no idea what wha going one when they crossed the border. That is why they are allowed to say. If a kid cant be convicted of most crimes, why is illegal immigration the same? I

And when they are an adult and remain in the country unlawfully they should be fully responsible for their situation. Or if you are trying to equate it with crime then perhaps the illegal minors should be culpable when they reach the age of criminal culpability

**dogma**

cincydooley wrote:

If all the Indians, Russians, and Asians can legally become citizens, why are we making a special case for Central Americans?

Because the US is a lot closer to Central America than India, Russia, or Asia.

**cincydooley**

dogma wrote:
cincydooley wrote:

If all the Indians, Russians, and Asians can legally become citizens, why are we making a special case for Central Americans?

Because the US is a lot closer to Central America than India, Russia, or Asia.

And?

**LordofHats**

And its like you don't know that we have millions of illegals not from the Americas. If there weren't an ocean in the way there'd probably be more of them, so acting like this is somehow a special case for Hispanics is kind of silly.

**CptJake**

I would love to see the media, the administration, or someone explain how kids 14 and under traverse multiple borders through rough terrain and climate conditions to make it from San Salvador to San Diego. Trust me, 12 year old Paco and his 10 year old hermana Maria don't just take on that journey to 'escape the violence'.

Explain the logistics involved and the support systems put in place, and who put them in place and why.

Make a big deal of that info and I strongly suspect real and workable solutions present themselves.

Interesting article here, in Spanish, on the Southern Borders Program between Mexico and Guatemala:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/impreso/mexico-y-guatemala-protegeran-a-migrantes-216921.html

**ZebioLizard2**

LordofHats wrote:
And its like you don't know that we have millions of illegals not from the Americas. If there weren't an ocean in the way there'd probably be more of them, so acting like this is somehow a special case for Hispanics is kind of silly.

Because most of them are sent back when found and it's not brought up as a racist case.

**CptJake**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
And its like you don't know that we have millions of illegals not from the Americas. If there weren't an ocean in the way there'd probably be more of them, so acting like this is somehow a special case for Hispanics is kind of silly.

Because most of them are sent back when found and it's not brought up as a racist case.

And most are on expired visas vice actually entering illegally. That means at least they were documented upon entry.

**dogma**

CptJake wrote:

Interesting article here, in Spanish, on the Southern Borders Program between Mexico and Guatemala:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/impreso/mexico-y-guatemala-protegeran-a-migrantes-216921.html

Why would you post an article written in Spanish to a board where the lingua franca is English?

**whembly**

dogma wrote:
CptJake wrote:

Interesting article here, in Spanish, on the Southern Borders Program between Mexico and Guatemala:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/impreso/mexico-y-guatemala-protegeran-a-migrantes-216921.html

Why would you post an article written in Spanish to a board where the lingua franca is English?

Porque algunos de nosotros puede hablar español? O simplemente utiliza el traductor de Google para leer sitios extranjeros.

Spoiler:

**Jihadin**

dogma wrote:
CptJake wrote:

Interesting article here, in Spanish, on the Southern Borders Program between Mexico and Guatemala:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/impreso/mexico-y-guatemala-protegeran-a-migrantes-216921.html

Why would you post an article written in Spanish to a board where the lingua franca is English?

WTH.....I can't speak Thai but can speak and read Spanish....wait...they still have Spanish in High School? I also took French..

**CptJake**

dogma wrote:
CptJake wrote:

Interesting article here, in Spanish, on the Southern Borders Program between Mexico and Guatemala:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/impreso/mexico-y-guatemala-protegeran-a-migrantes-216921.html

Why would you post an article written in Spanish to a board where the lingua franca is English?

Because that article explains it better than any English language article I've seen, and most of the English ones about this program are from blogs most on this site would consider non-reliable sources. Hence, a link to the source.

**dogma**

whembly wrote:

Porque algunos de nosotros puede hablar español? O simplemente utiliza el traductor de Google para leer sitios extranjeros.

In the future I would advise you not to place your intended statement into Google translate when trying to rebut a point of criticism, especially when you completely miss the point.

CptJake wrote:

Because that article explains it better than any English language article I've seen, and most of the English ones about this program are from blogs most on this site would consider non-reliable sources. Hence, a link to the source.

Which most people won't be able to read, defeating your purpose.

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

dogma wrote:
Which most people won't be able to read, defeating your purpose.

Google Translated for ya, seems it's good enough to get the ideas across

BEACHES Catazajá, Chis -. Upon starting the program Frontera Sur, Enrique Peña Nieto president warned that Mexico is convinced that the migration must be addressed from a regional, co and human perspective.

Accompanied by the president of Guatemala, Otto Perez Molina, the governors of Chiapas, Quintana Roo, Campeche and Tabasco, and cabinet members, President Peña Nieto said that this program, with five lines of action, has a dual purpose: protect and safeguard the human rights of migrants entering and transiting through Mexico and sort international crossings to increase the development and security of the region.

The Southern Border program envisages strengthening actions against national security cabinet criminal groups that attack migrants intelligence work of Mexico and Guatemala along the border and exchange of biometric information in real time between the two nations.

President Peña Nieto was in favor of achieving a safer south, and ordered that the relationship with Central help develop the entire Mesoamerican region border.

"In the past, the Central American countries and Mexico work together to end the conflict and bring peace to the region. If you were able to overcome that challenge, today, I'm sure we can also improve the conditions of regional migration, "said federal executive.

If countries said, unite wills and undertake efforts, will ensure dignified, humane treatment for migrants.

In his speech, President Perez Molina said the program specific actions for a prosperous, modern, secure border, with orderly migration flows and with respect for human rights.

Highlighted the vision of President Peña Nieto that "instead of putting walls, obstacles and difficulties," has vision of togetherness.

Shares for a secure border

Peña Nieto detailed the five lines of action of the program begins with the ordering of border traffic for crossing minimum of information.

To encourage formal access to Mexico to obtain the card Regional Away Guatemalans and Belizeans for free and with which the wearer can enter up to 72 hours to the states of Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco be provided.

Agents of the National Migration Institute (INM) and other authorities should ensure full respect for the rights of cardholders.

The second point focuses on providing more security for migrants, so the proper operation of the 12 official border crossings will ensure 10 with Guatemala and Belize and two points will be converted into customs review of Comprehensive Care Centers Border Traffic with participation of the INM, the SAT, the Federal Police, the Department of Defense and the Navy of Mexico, among other agencies.

Peña Nieto President gave instructions to the Cabinet to increase security measures against crime; Segob, along with officials from Guatemala, strengthen intelligence work.

The third point of protection and social action centers on duplicate medical units, improve shelters and detention centers, and support centers DIF "Outdated" by the growing child migration.

The fourth point of regional responsibility, is aimed at putting in place the mechanism for special care of children and unaccompanied migrant, with El Salvador, United States, Guatemala and Honduras.

Finally, the coordination is created for Comprehensive Migration in Southern Border, so the President instructed the Secretary of the Interior, Miguel Angel Osorio Chong, immediately define its holder.

**CptJake**

dogma wrote:
whembly wrote:

Porque algunos de nosotros puede hablar español? O simplemente utiliza el traductor de Google para leer sitios extranjeros.

In the future I would advise you not to place your intended statement into Google translate when trying to rebut a point of criticism, especially when you completely miss the point.

CptJake wrote:

Because that article explains it better than any English language article I've seen, and most of the English ones about this program are from blogs most on this site would consider non-reliable sources. Hence, a link to the source.

Which most people won't be able to read, defeating your purpose.

As if you knew my purpose.

But back on topic (though I get that is hard for you), any comments on the article since someone else has given you a translation?

**Frazzled**

Reports are illegals are using their permisos excuse me orders to appear, to board flights without id. I'll remember that Monday when I have to get semi strip searched to board the freaking plane.

**dogma**

CptJake wrote:

As if you knew my purpose.

I assume your purpose involves making points and being understood.

CptJake wrote:

But back on topic (though I get that is hard for you), any comments on the article since someone else has given you a translation?

I can speak Spanish, I knew what the article was about when you first posted it. I was merely pointing out that it is obnoxious to post an article outside the lingua franca of your audience, doubly so when you're trying to debate a point.

As to the article itself: It sounds like a good program, but I doubt any of the parties have the ability to see it through.

**Dreadclaw69**

Frazzled wrote:
Reports are illegals are using their permisos excuse me orders to appear, to board flights without id. I'll remember that Monday when I have to get semi strip searched to board the freaking plane.

We're flying on Monday too. Where are you bound for?

**Frazzled**

Nuevo York

**Dreadclaw69**

We're Newark bound, then on to Dublin

**Frazzled**

Ireland - cool. Sorry to hear that you're going to NJ though. ..

**Dreadclaw69**

You and me both

**Lordhat**

I thought this relevant. Please excuse the hyperbole laden source. I usually try not to repost directly from Bearing Arms or TTAG (The Truth About Guns), but this article brings together a few separate reoports in a cohesive whole. (Posturing and propaganda aside.)

http://bearingarms.com/fed-protesters-open-carry-firearms-michigan-march-criminal-aliens/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate

Nothing conveys a sense of clear displeasure with the actions of a rogue government than showing up to protest their actions with firearms:

More than 50 people from across Michigan turned out to protest the possibility that a Vassar facility could house Central American children and teens who have fled into the country.

The group, led by Michiganders for Immigration Control and Enforcement organizer Tamyra Murray, marched a little more than a mile, from Vassar City Hall to Wolverine Human Services’ Pioneer Work and Learn Center.

Some carried AR-15 rifles and handguns, while others carried Gadsden “Don’t Tread on Me” flags, American flags and Rochester resident Jeff McQueen’s “second American revolution” flags, designed from Betsy Ross’ flag with a Roman Numeral II in the middle.

“We’re not against kids,” Murray said, speaking to media before the march started. “We have sympathy for the kids being used and exploited by the feds.”

I can’t say that I’m all that surprised to see a convergence of open carry with other political messaging, though I’m sure that the radical anti-gun left is going to have a hissy fit. Ladd Everitt and the CSGV are sure to scream that these lawful protesters are “insurrectionists” for daring to display their disdain for the illegal alien invasion that many Americans feel was orchestrated by the Obama Administration.

Local law enforcement didn’t seem to find the protest to be a cause for concern, and the handful of officers that appeared to keep a watch on the situation had a decidedly relaxed posture.

* * *

The attitude further south is a bit less relaxed, as the Minuteman Project and other militia groups are announcing plans to stage a presence on the U.S. Mexico border in an attempt to stop the flow of OTMs (“Other Than Mexicans,” a Border Patrol term for criminal aliens from central and South american countries).

Some of the individuals and groups planning to attempt to impede the flow of criminal aliens—something that neither the Republican Party nor Democrat Party politicians seem to have any real serious interest in stopping—plan to be armed, and at least one group has publicly stated an intention to threaten criminal aliens with firearms.

The planned resurgence of the Minuteman Project comes amid more confrontational calls to action along the Southwest border in the form of several loosely organized anti-government groups recruiting would-be armed border watchers for patrols. Gilchrist insisted his group will obey all state and federal laws during their patrols.

“The one rule of Operation Normandy: Stay within the rule of law,” he said. “Whatever you do, stay within the rule of law.”

But Gilchrist distanced himself from Chris Davis, a 37-year-old Texas truck driver and leader of a militia group that had promised to deploy along the border to confront and intimidate illegal immigrants. Davis, who posted a 21-minute YouTube video last week, has since removed the clip in which he reportedly said: “You see an illegal. You point your gun dead at him, right between his eyes, and you say, ‘Get back across the border or you will be shot.’”

Davis, who could not be reached for comment, told the Los Angeles Times his group aimed to supplement law enforcement officers with its “Operation Secure Our Border,” focusing on the Laredo sector, which encompasses 116 counties and covers 101,439 square miles of southwest and northeast Texas, including Brooks and Hidalgo counties, the epicenter of the current immigrant influx.

“There’s nothing malicious, there’s no malicious intent — every person is vetted,” Davis told the newspaper. “We’re just here to serve freedom, liberty and national sovereignty.”

Doing as Davis advises is of course assault with a deadly weapon. That some citizens are so frustrated that they feel compelled to publicly discuss such vigilante actions says quite a bit about the failure of the federal government to secure the border.

There are concerns that the presence of these groups along the border could lead to confrontations with criminal alien smugglers (“coyotes”) and drug cartels bringing drugs north across the border. Both human and drug smugglers are often armed, and the possibility of a firefight between armed citizens and groups of criminal invaders is a very real possibility.

**squidhills**

Lordhat wrote:
I thought this relevant. Please excuse the hyperbole laden source. I usually try not to repost directly from Bearing Arms or TTAG (The Truth About Guns), but this article brings together a few separate reoports in a cohesive whole. (Posturing and propaganda aside.)

http://bearingarms.com/fed-protesters-open-carry-firearms-michigan-march-criminal-aliens/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate

Soooo..... why do you need guns to protest against Federal immigration policies?

**whembly**

squidhills wrote:
Lordhat wrote:
I thought this relevant. Please excuse the hyperbole laden source. I usually try not to repost directly from Bearing Arms or TTAG (The Truth About Guns), but this article brings together a few separate reoports in a cohesive whole. (Posturing and propaganda aside.)

http://bearingarms.com/fed-protesters-open-carry-firearms-michigan-march-criminal-aliens/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate

Soooo..... why do you need guns to protest against Federal immigration policies?

Why not?

**LordofHats**

This is America. We need guns to protect us from everything. The only think a bullet can't shoot is ideas

**dogma**

The attitude further south is a bit less relaxed, as the Minuteman Project and other militia groups are announcing plans to stage a presence on the U.S. Mexico border in an attempt to stop the flow of OTMs (“Other Than Mexicans,” a Border Patrol term for criminal aliens from central and South american countries).

But Gilchrist distanced himself from Chris Davis, a 37-year-old Texas truck driver and leader of a militia group that had promised to deploy along the border to confront and intimidate illegal immigrants. Davis, who posted a 21-minute YouTube video last week, has since removed the clip in which he reportedly said: “You see an illegal. You point your gun dead at him, right between his eyes, and you say, ‘Get back across the border or you will be shot.’”

Oh, this will end very well.

**d-usa**

Don't worry, they are all liberal false flag operations to make gun owners look bad.

**daedalus**

dogma wrote:
The attitude further south is a bit less relaxed, as the Minuteman Project and other militia groups are announcing plans to stage a presence on the U.S. Mexico border in an attempt to stop the flow of OTMs (“Other Than Mexicans,” a Border Patrol term for criminal aliens from central and South american countries).

But Gilchrist distanced himself from Chris Davis, a 37-year-old Texas truck driver and leader of a militia group that had promised to deploy along the border to confront and intimidate illegal immigrants. Davis, who posted a 21-minute YouTube video last week, has since removed the clip in which he reportedly said: “You see an illegal. You point your gun dead at him, right between his eyes, and you say, ‘Get back across the border or you will be shot.’”

Oh, this will end very well.

It's always funny to see the crazies react to the slightly more crazy.

**Jihadin**

LordofHats wrote:
This is America. We need guns to protect us from everything. The only think a bullet can't shoot is ideas

It'll stop an idea at its source