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I saw this morning on the news and I laughed and laughed. I mean, sure, hacking is illegal and all that, so I expect police to try and find whoever did and punish them to the extent of the law and all that, but in the meantime suck it cheaters.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Are you trying to claim that if you cheat on your significant other you don't love them?

However much you love them, you're prioritising sex. Which means you either don't love them very much, or you're a complete gak that is willing to put aside a deep love for some physical gratification.

 sebster wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Are you trying to claim that if you cheat on your significant other you don't love them?

However much you love, you're prioritising sex sex. Which means you either don't love them very much, or you're a complete gak that is willing to put aside a deep love for some physical gratification.

Well spoken and exalted.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
B) If you're in a completely stable, loving relationship with your partner, and they don't know that you're banging your secretary on the weekends, there are circumstances where that may be preferable to filing for a divorce.

Maybe. But none of those circumstances are preferable to showing some control and not putting your dick wherever you can.

Wonder out of those 37 mil are females being the impression here is seems its all males on Ashley

 Jihadin wrote:
Wonder out of those 37 mil are females being the impression here is seems its all males on Ashley

I wouldn't be surprised.

Remember the golden rules of the internet.

1. Every girl is a boy pretending to be a girl.
2. Every kid is a FBI agent
3. Every boy is a raptor in disguise.

I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Ultimately though, these people should divorce and just hope they don't lose everything instead of cheating. Cheating ruins reputations big time.

 Swastakowey wrote:
I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Ultimately though, these people should divorce and just hope they don't lose everything instead of cheating. Cheating ruins reputations big time.

I think you should watch Mike Birbiligia he has a rant on it and said that most marriages end in divorce, that he doesn't believe in the institution, pretty funny actually and I can see that point of view.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Ultimately though, these people should divorce and just hope they don't lose everything instead of cheating. Cheating ruins reputations big time.

I think you should watch Mike Birbiligia he has a rant on it and said that most marriages end in divorce, that he doesn't believe in the institution, pretty funny actually and I can see that point of view.

See I think marriage can work, it's just so easy for women to call it quits and ruin your life. Why give them that power over you? See it with a lot of men in their 40s after they worked decades for their wives who merely tidied the house. By not marrying you can simply leave your long term partner of they don't keep themselves at their original standard. Since I, the dude, is likely to have the money and the house etc it means I have nothing to lose if it goes bad. Unless children are in the mix. But I am not too sure if I am willing to have kids because then I have the burden of child support if it goes bad. Marriage is like a really one sided business contract. I was going to get married this year, looking at rings and everything, after 6 years of dating. But I think I will wait after seeing a guy at work after his divorce.

I will check out that video though tonight maybe.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Wonder out of those 37 mil are females being the impression here is seems its all males on Ashley

I wouldn't be surprised.

Remember the golden rules of the internet.

1. Every girl is a boy pretending to be a girl.
2. Every kid is a FBI agent
3. Every boy is a raptor in disguise.

I heard a different version myself-
The Internet:
Where men are men.
Women are men.
And children are FBI agents.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Ultimately though, these people should divorce and just hope they don't lose everything instead of cheating. Cheating ruins reputations big time.

I think you should watch Mike Birbiligia he has a rant on it and said that most marriages end in divorce, that he doesn't believe in the institution, pretty funny actually and I can see that point of view.

See I think marriage can work, it's just so easy for women to call it quits and ruin your life. Why give them that power over you? See it with a lot of men in their 40s after they worked decades for their wives who merely tidied the house. By not marrying you can simply leave your long term partner of they don't keep themselves at their original standard. Since I, the dude, is likely to have the money and the house etc it means I have nothing to lose if it goes bad. Unless children are in the mix. But I am not too sure if I am willing to have kids because then I have the burden of child support if it goes bad. Marriage is like a really one sided business contract. I was going to get married this year, looking at rings and everything, after 6 years of dating. But I think I will wait after seeing a guy at work after his divorce.

I will check out that video though tonight maybe.

Hear Hear! Not mention their accused orifices shoot spiders at you.

 Swastakowey wrote:
I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Given your assumption seems to be that a woman's role in marriage is to provide sex, then it's probably for the best that you don't get married.

Also the spiders thing.

 sebster wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Given your assumption seems to be that a woman's role in marriage is to provide sex, then it's probably for the best that you don't get married.

Also the spiders thing.

No that was not the point, if the guy feels the need to cheat, I merely suggested maybe the wife was not able to satisfy him...

 sebster wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Given your assumption seems to be that a woman's role in marriage is to provide sex, then it's probably for the best that you don't get married.

Also the spiders thing.

Could go either way really.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 sebster wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Given your assumption seems to be that a woman's role in marriage is to provide sex, then it's probably for the best that you don't get married.

Also the spiders thing.

No that was not the point, if the guy feels the need to cheat, I merely suggested maybe the wife was not able to satisfy him...

While cheating does arise from needs being unmet in relationship, nobody needs to cheat and your framing it "was not able to satisfy him" is still particularly off-putting. Even then one of if not the single most common cause of a breakdown the quality of a married couples sex life is the man failing to do his part domestically.

Not to mention it's just really hard to get it up when your dick is covered in spiders.

 Chongara wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 sebster wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I think it is best simply to not get married. I reckon that a lot of these men have ended up in sexless marriages. Often I hear about how women slowly stop putting out after a few years of marriage. I imagine websites like this have huge numbers of men who have wives that don't hold up their end of the bargain in marriage. Otherwise they likely would not feel the need to cheat. Maybe some of their wives got fat too. Who knows.

I know I personally will not be getting married, would hate to lose half my stuff because I divorce a wife who does not satisfy me. Especially since I am likely to be earning more and working more.

Given your assumption seems to be that a woman's role in marriage is to provide sex, then it's probably for the best that you don't get married.

Also the spiders thing.

No that was not the point, if the guy feels the need to cheat, I merely suggested maybe the wife was not able to satisfy him...

While cheating does arise from needs being unmet in relationship, nobody needs to cheat and your framing it "was not able to satisfy him" is still particularly off-putting. Even then one of if not the single most common cause of a breakdown the quality of a married couples sex life is the man failing to do his part domestically.

Not to mention it's just really hard to get it up when your dick is covered in spiders.

I said at the end I despise cheating... I just said it sucks that these men may have a wife that won't fulfil his needs and divorce is not really a nice option either. As anyone who has been divorced will say its awful. What is wrong with saying that? If she cannot satisfy him he may likely look elsewhere. Of course this is not limited to sex and nor is it limited by gender.

I don't understand the spiders bit... I mean I have been with my partner for over 6 years (am 21) so it's not like I am scared of women?

 Swastakowey wrote:
As anyone who has been divorced will say its awful. What is wrong with saying that?

Because you've (intentionally or not) framed it in the most awful RedPill/MGTOW style that your posts are spontaneously sprouting their own cargo shorts and terrible hats.

 Chongara wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
As anyone who has been divorced will say its awful. What is wrong with saying that?

Because you've (intentionally or not) framed it in the most awful RedPill/MGTOW style that your posts are spontaneously sprouting their own cargo shorts and terrible hats.

Ok I have no idea what it means (men go their own way?). But when I read what I said it doesn't sound bad at all. What is bad about expecting your partner to uphold their end of the deal? Or not wanting to marry so you aren't tied down into a relationship that doesn't hold up long term?

 Swastakowey wrote:
No that was not the point, if the guy feels the need to cheat, I merely suggested maybe the wife was not able to satisfy him...

Of course it wasn’t the point, but it was the conclusion that can be found by reading between the lines of your post.

And yeah, some couples have different libidos. Typically the guy wants to screw more, but not always, and even then the amount each person wants to do it will change over time, even from month to month. So you in a marriage you won’t get to have sex every time you’re in the mood.

But here’s the thing – it’s just fething. It’s good fun and it’s important to a marriage but dozens of other things are at least as important and some are much more important. So if you aren’t getting as much as you like, well then that’s life. It’s just like a million other things, you just grow the feth up and deal with it.

 sebster wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
No that was not the point, if the guy feels the need to cheat, I merely suggested maybe the wife was not able to satisfy him...

Of course it wasn’t the point, but it was the conclusion that can be found by reading between the lines of your post.

And yeah, some couples have different libidos. Typically the guy wants to screw more, but not always, and even then the amount each person wants to do it will change over time, even from month to month. So you in a marriage you won’t get to have sex every time you’re in the mood.

But here’s the thing – it’s just fething. It’s good fun and it’s important to a marriage but dozens of other things are at least as important and some are much more important. So if you aren’t getting as much as you like, well then that’s life. It’s just like a million other things, you just grow the feth up and deal with it.

Or you can ditch the unwilling partner and move on to someone who will? Why should one party suffer? Would you tolerate your wife not cooking/cleaning while you work all day? If they are unwilling to change then there is something wrong with them. Likewise would a wife tolerate a husband who refuses to work or pull their weight?

Ultimately it's one partner failing. I understand not gettign it any time you want, but to the point someone will consider sleeping around as another way of getting it then there is clearly a problem yea?

While you're taking advice from stand up comedians, Louis CK has a good bit on divorce.

You sound like you just crawled out of a bunker that you've been locked in since the 50s.
'I'll never get married because it might end in divorce and then I'd have to give that hateful shrew some of my wonderful money!' Is a pretty sad outlook for a 21 year old.
You definitely shouldn't get married though, at least until you no longer consider her 'end of the deal' to be cleaning the house and accommodating your thrusting member at a moments notice.

 plastictrees wrote:
While you're taking advice from stand up comedians, Louis CK has a good bit on divorce.

You sound like you just crawled out of a bunker that you've been locked in since the 50s.
'I'll never get married because it might end in divorce and then I'd have to give that hateful shrew some of my wonderful money!' Is a pretty sad outlook for a 21 year old.
You definitely shouldn't get married though, at least until you no longer consider her 'end of the deal' to be cleaning the house and accommodating your thrusting member at a moments notice.

Well as long as she lives in my house that I pay for and uses the power/internet/water and so on I pay for yea she will have to keep the place clean and cook. I will not come home and do more after she spent most of her day at home etc.

But yea maybe it is pessimistic. Maybe the 40 year old divorced men around me just whine too much? Just seems like a huge risk to get married thats all.

Jesus Christ. You aren't rolling the dice on a mobile vagina that can also hold a pan and a mop, you're sharing your life with someone you love and that makes you a better person through that sharing.
Do women not have jobs in New Zealand anymore? Maybe a 21 year old shouldn't be hanging around with so many 40 year old divorced guys.

 plastictrees wrote:
Jesus Christ. You aren't rolling the dice on a mobile vagina that can also hold a pan and a mop, you're sharing your life with someone you love and that makes you a better person through that sharing.
Do women not have jobs in New Zealand anymore? Maybe a 21 year old shouldn't be hanging around with so many 40 year old divorced guys.

Yes she has a part time job a few hours a day. Why does she need anything more? I earn enough and I would rather a clean house. Something wrong with that?

I mean it's like you guys think im some women beater because my GF cleans while I work and cooks when I get home. If anything she has it easy. We share the jobs I.E I work 50 hours a week and she works less than 20 and cleans. I wish I could clean up after 2 people and then do what I please most of the day.

How is this not sharing again? If she however stops doing what little she needs to do then currently I am free to make her move out. Because as you say it's about sharing and I will not be picking up the slack etc.

How has anything I said been wrong? Would you tolerate doing everything? If so then fine.

I very much doubt all 37M members are men. The site only works if the gender ratio is fairly level. Quite a lot of them may not even be married, and just using it to get committment freee shagging.

It seems a bit harsh to bnlanket blame evveryone involved. However Europeans tend to take a more relaxed view of such things.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I very much doubt all 37M members are men. The site only works if the gender ratio is fairly level. Quite a lot of them may not even be married, and just using it to get committment freee shagging.

It seems a bit harsh to bnlanket blame evveryone involved. However Europeans tend to take a more relaxed view of such things.

Depends what you mean by "Fairly Level" assuming it's like most online dating ventures the ratio is probably somewhere between 60/40 and 70/30. If we assume it skews more than normal because of the extra risk factor my (i'll admit rather uneducated) guess might be as skewed as 80/20.

In typical form I'd wager it's mostly over aggressive, crass or just plain delusional men making so much barely-tolerated white noise at disinterested women out of their league.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
As anyone who has been divorced will say its awful. What is wrong with saying that?

Because you've (intentionally or not) framed it in the most awful RedPill/MGTOW style that your posts are spontaneously sprouting their own cargo shorts and terrible hats.

Ok I have no idea what it means (men go their own way?). But when I read what I said it doesn't sound bad at all. What is bad about expecting your partner to uphold their end of the deal? Or not wanting to marry so you aren't tied down into a relationship that doesn't hold up long term?

"Red Pill(er)" = A-hole
"MGTOW" = Pretentious A-Hole.

Or thereabouts. What I'm saying is your posts are coming off as rather anti-woman. The money-stealing, lazy, no-job-having, sex-denying, child-as-trap-having, devils.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Or you can ditch the unwilling partner and move on to someone who will? Why should one party suffer? Would you tolerate your wife not cooking/cleaning while you work all day? If they are unwilling to change then there is something wrong with them. Likewise would a wife tolerate a husband who refuses to work or pull their weight?

Of course you can ditch the unwilling partner. But to ditch a partner over just sex and nothing else, that's a really gakky thing.

I mean, you've mentioned you're 21 and I don't want this to sound like a put down based on your age... but people aren't 21 forever. Sex doesn't go away, but it stops being quite such an all important thing. For most people anyway - others prioritise enough that they'd risk their marriage by screwing around through an adultery website.

Ultimately it's one partner failing. I understand not gettign it any time you want, but to the point someone will consider sleeping around as another way of getting it then there is clearly a problem yea?

It isn't a failure to be less in to sex than someone else. A dude could want sex four times a week. His wife isn't a failure if she only wants it once a week, any more than the guy would be failing if it turns out his wife wants it every night. It's just libido, and there's no right or wrong amount.

It's kind of sad to see sex as the most important thing in a relationship, really.


A relation isn't a porn movie plot, something which a lot of people here seemingly like to forget(?).

Surely the idea of an affair is to not ditch your current partner. You want to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
As anyone who has been divorced will say its awful. What is wrong with saying that?

Because you've (intentionally or not) framed it in the most awful RedPill/MGTOW style that your posts are spontaneously sprouting their own cargo shorts and terrible hats.

Ok I have no idea what it means (men go their own way?). But when I read what I said it doesn't sound bad at all. What is bad about expecting your partner to uphold their end of the deal? Or not wanting to marry so you aren't tied down into a relationship that doesn't hold up long term?

You seem to think a wife is like a lodger/maid that lives in your house using the utilities and in return tidies it up and puts out sex. Most women work a job and only those becoming housewives do so after popping out your kids. There are some that want to live entirely on their husbands bank account their whole lives but you have to be quite wealthy to support two people entirely on one wage so it's not really an option for the young.

Don't forget the woman takes a risk too. She doesn't work so she can raise the kids and do all the cleaning and cooking. Then aged 40 you get bored of her so throw her out with no savings and a huge gap in work experience. That's why divorce laws have developed the way they have, to give security to women who spend their life cleaning the house and kids only to be thrown out destitute.

Anyway, as you get a bit older you'll worry less about women trying to take half your stuff when they leave you, relationships aren't as one sided as you think they are.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Surely the idea of an affair is to not ditch your current partner. You want to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak.

No, the idea of having an affair is deceiving your partner for that funny feeling in your pants.