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 Col Hammer wrote:
Because the Alien life cycle centers around a queen establishing a hive?


Well in all fairness that wasn't true until that film. In the first film the discussed life cycle from the designers was different but Cameron and company changed it up a bit. It was a nice addition but it wasn't that way from the outset.


What is nonsense to me is the idea that some dude is holding up the world. Such a goofy, crazy idea when we know that no such being is really performing such a task.

Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
 
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Haha! Tricked you!

Those were dummy wires. The real wires are all internal!


Y'know, that'd be a nice twist to see at some point - though maybe on a secondary device before the finale.

There's also the Castle approach - when in doubt, rip all the wires out with 1 second to go. If it all goes wrong, you've not really made matters any worse

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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Don't forget a core element of Aliens is overconfidence of the Marines. They are used to "bug hunts" against less intelligent xenos and likely less capable/violent creatures. Don't forget most of what Riply claims sounds nuts - acid for blood etc...

So chances are they think she's a scared person who got way out of her depth and over-exaggerated most of the claims. Plus the parent company hiring the marines is also agreeing with that, its a scouting mission that expects to find a few troublesome alien dogs if anything; rather than an organised hive that has infested and killed off colonising population etc...

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
When Mr Stereotype Evil Terrorist builds a bomb, why don’t they paint the wires the same colour upon completion?

Or, if really taking their time, just use the same coloured wires from the get go.

Go on. Last second your way out of that one, Mr Clever Clogs Hero!


Have you ever wired up anything? While, yes you can use the same color wires, if you don't label them you stand a risk of messing something up and not being able to figure out how to fix it.
   
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 bbb wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
When Mr Stereotype Evil Terrorist builds a bomb, why don’t they paint the wires the same colour upon completion?

Or, if really taking their time, just use the same coloured wires from the get go.

Go on. Last second your way out of that one, Mr Clever Clogs Hero!


Have you ever wired up anything? While, yes you can use the same color wires, if you don't label them you stand a risk of messing something up and not being able to figure out how to fix it.


Wire it up and then spray paint the whole thing? Ooooo, encase the wires in a block of resin.

 
   
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In the real world I'm sure many of those things have been done. It's why you often don't hear of them disarming a device, but doing a controlled explosion instead. It's generally far safer to let a standard bomb blow up safe and away from people than it is to disarm it.

Of course against an organised military force it can be different, the UK used to disarm bombs dropped by Nazi planes, but then they were dealing with mass produced munitions built to the same standards so once you had a process you could repeat it. And even then they had false triggers, traps and even bombs that were designed not to blow up upon impact, but to specifically sit there for the bomb disposal to come and try to disarm it and then blow up.

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 Overread wrote:
Honestly I've not seen any shop pricing every single product in a long time. Most are now using a simple price label on a shelf/rack/strip/block of the same product. So instead of updating a little yellow price tag on a hundred of a product you just swap the little card slip in the sheath once and its done for every single one of those products.

Not to mention big businesses are changing prices all the time on products. Supermarkets do it all the time, prices shift up and down alongside deals and offers that also shift up and down. It's all part of destabilising the concept of how much an item is worth and on making some products appear cheaper so you feel empowered at making that choice of supermarket; even if by the end you've paid about the same price or more than normal because other products have slipped up in price or aren't on offer this week etc....


Plus how often do the states change tax rates? I'd imagine they aren't changing them every week nor even every month. So again its not going to be a continual nightmare of price changes every 5 seconds.

As for the cost of relabelling; an efficient store would just change the price tags at the same time as they check stock, restock and tidy up the racks before opening.

Well, FMR....

It's damn weird you said this about not seeing prices on items for a long time, because i felt the same way until literally yesterday. I was in a small hardware store called dewalt toolco and most, not all, but most items in it had actual paper prices on them. I was in these looking for a good stap blade cutter for foamcore and i thought it was a real blast from the past to see actual paper prices on stuff.

Then you poisted this. What a coincidence....

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I live near the “fancy” end of town, where the shops are all boutiques (and when I hit the Euromillions jackpot, my planned arcade).

There’s an awesome, if expensive, kitchenware store, and they use physical price labels.

However, I can’t think of any others beyond GW which still use that?

Oh, and HMV now I think of it.

   
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Just watched the latest Terminator and I quite enjoyed it. However... I can watch time travelling fluidic metal robot assassins with no problem, but one bit stuck out at that upset the flow for a bit, which was a shame as what followed was a rather lengthy segment and it was pretty obvious that what made me shout Nonsense!! was only crammed in as a way to chivvy the plot to the big set piece.

Spoiler:
Just over half way through the film Sarah says she has a contact who can get her an EMP - I'm cool with this film logic. They are then attacked by the Terminator and flee towards an airbase - here's where things get bs. The contact is a major. In the commissioned world that means he's a nobody. Just about qualified to lead his section but possessing no real power. And somehow he manages to call the guard post to tell them to let a non-military white van through security unchecked (Nonsense!!) and tells the C5 crew chief to go away when they board his plane (Nonsense!!), and then claims that he (a lowly unimportant major) will somehow buy them some time to take off (utter gibberish). And then somehow they get a fast jet escort?


Sci-fi time travelling killer robots and wannabe iron-woman I can accept. But a major being able to coordinate all that? Give me a break.
   
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 Henry wrote:
Just watched the latest Terminator and I quite enjoyed it. However... I can watch time travelling fluidic metal robot assassins with no problem, but one bit stuck out at that upset the flow for a bit, which was a shame as what followed was a rather lengthy segment and it was pretty obvious that what made me shout Nonsense!! was only crammed in as a way to chivvy the plot to the big set piece.

Spoiler:
Just over half way through the film Sarah says she has a contact who can get her an EMP - I'm cool with this film logic. They are then attacked by the Terminator and flee towards an airbase - here's where things get bs. The contact is a major. In the commissioned world that means he's a nobody. Just about qualified to lead his section but possessing no real power. And somehow he manages to call the guard post to tell them to let a non-military white van through security unchecked (Nonsense!!) and tells the C5 crew chief to go away when they board his plane (Nonsense!!), and then claims that he (a lowly unimportant major) will somehow buy them some time to take off (utter gibberish). And then somehow they get a fast jet escort?


Sci-fi time travelling killer robots and wannabe iron-woman I can accept. But a major being able to coordinate all that? Give me a break.


You're thinking like a Brit but in the USAF that Major could be running the security forces squadron, he could be the DO (#2) of the C5 squadron or he could be the exec for the General who commands the base so people assume he's speaking for the general which would make coordinating that in the realm of standard suspension of disbelief, even if the repercussions would be rather significant
   
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If you want more time travelling killer robots, try a weird little movie called A.P.E.X., which was a low budget scifi apocalypse time travel movie with some damn cool killer robots.




The plot's a head scratcher, but damn those killer robots are cool.

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That was the first DVD I ever bought

   
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Jerram wrote:
 Henry wrote:
Just watched the latest Terminator and I quite enjoyed it. However... I can watch time travelling fluidic metal robot assassins with no problem, but one bit stuck out at that upset the flow for a bit, which was a shame as what followed was a rather lengthy segment and it was pretty obvious that what made me shout Nonsense!! was only crammed in as a way to chivvy the plot to the big set piece.

Spoiler:
Just over half way through the film Sarah says she has a contact who can get her an EMP - I'm cool with this film logic. They are then attacked by the Terminator and flee towards an airbase - here's where things get bs. The contact is a major. In the commissioned world that means he's a nobody. Just about qualified to lead his section but possessing no real power. And somehow he manages to call the guard post to tell them to let a non-military white van through security unchecked (Nonsense!!) and tells the C5 crew chief to go away when they board his plane (Nonsense!!), and then claims that he (a lowly unimportant major) will somehow buy them some time to take off (utter gibberish). And then somehow they get a fast jet escort?


Sci-fi time travelling killer robots and wannabe iron-woman I can accept. But a major being able to coordinate all that? Give me a break.


You're thinking like a Brit but in the USAF that Major could be running the security forces squadron, he could be the DO (#2) of the C5 squadron or he could be the exec for the General who commands the base so people assume he's speaking for the general which would make coordinating that in the realm of standard suspension of disbelief, even if the repercussions would be rather significant


Seriously. A Major in the US Military is by no means lowly.
   
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 Matt Swain wrote:
If you want more time travelling killer robots, try a weird little movie called A.P.E.X., which was a low budget scifi apocalypse time travel movie with some damn cool killer robots.




The plot's a head scratcher, but damn those killer robots are cool.


Now that is a blast from the past. Quite entertaining if memory serves correcly.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Haha! Tricked you!

Those were dummy wires. The real wires are all internal!


I remember some movie or another with several bombs having been planted on a cruise liner. Crack bomb squad is flown onto the ship and spot what appears to be a booby trap - two contacts close to one another but not touching - assumption: don't let them touch! Sidekick puts a block between them so they don't set off but BOOOM! A very, very thin wire between the contacts meant keeping them apart was the wrong thing to do.

So there are crafty bomb makers out there in fictionland.
   
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MarkNorfolk wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Haha! Tricked you!

Those were dummy wires. The real wires are all internal!


I remember some movie or another with several bombs having been planted on a cruise liner. Crack bomb squad is flown onto the ship and spot what appears to be a booby trap - two contacts close to one another but not touching - assumption: don't let them touch! Sidekick puts a block between them so they don't set off but BOOOM! A very, very thin wire between the contacts meant keeping them apart was the wrong thing to do.

So there are crafty bomb makers out there in fictionland.


The movie you speak of is "Juggernaut" from 1974

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071706/

An excellent technothriller/crime drama with film noir elements that, if any move needs to be redone, certainly is one.

Another movie so nice I'll mention it twice is 1990's "hardware".

Scifi? Check. Killer robot? Check. Post apocalypse? Check. Time travel? Well, 3 out of 4 ain't bad. Long unavailable due to legal problems you may have missed it. If so you might want to correct that regrettable situation.

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/hardware-movie-anniversary

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 gorgon wrote:
Hmm...this one is an internal consistency thing and not a 'that wouldn't work' thing.

But how is Superman (1978) able to fly so fast that he can circle the Earth many times a second and 'break the time barrier', but not fly fast enough to divert two ICBMs heading in opposite directions? The writing is actually kind of a mess at the end of that film.


I think you need to see this.

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 Super Ready wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Hmm...this one is an internal consistency thing and not a 'that wouldn't work' thing.

But how is Superman (1978) able to fly so fast that he can circle the Earth many times a second and 'break the time barrier', but not fly fast enough to divert two ICBMs heading in opposite directions? The writing is actually kind of a mess at the end of that film.


I think you need to see this.


I knew what that was going to be before I even clicked it. I approve.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
 Super Ready wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Hmm...this one is an internal consistency thing and not a 'that wouldn't work' thing.

But how is Superman (1978) able to fly so fast that he can circle the Earth many times a second and 'break the time barrier', but not fly fast enough to divert two ICBMs heading in opposite directions? The writing is actually kind of a mess at the end of that film.


I think you need to see this.


I knew what that was going to be before I even clicked it. I approve.


Yeah, same. I also approve.

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Watching The Walking Dead again.

When they find the Prison in season 3 is a decent plot device, what with it being naturally fortified.

But, I just can’t buy that Hershell wouldn’t have known about it? Not only is he local, but one imagines farmers, with all their outbuildings an escapee might hole up in, would have a vested interest in knowing what correctional facilities might be in their area?

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Watching The Walking Dead again.

When they find the Prison in season 3 is a decent plot device, what with it being naturally fortified.

But, I just can’t buy that Hershell wouldn’t have known about it? Not only is he local, but one imagines farmers, with all their outbuildings an escapee might hole up in, would have a vested interest in knowing what correctional facilities might be in their area?


I know of two prisons in my area because I've regularly driven by them for work, but before that I had no idea they existed.
   
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There's a prison within a 40min drive from where I am and until I had to work near there I had never seen it nor had reason to go near it. Thing is even knowing there's a prison there it doesn't tell you what kind of prison it is or what facilities it has which are practical or serviceable.

Honestly it might not be the first place I'd think of to go hide. I'd more likely think of the army base near to the prison as a better option.

Then again if all social order has broken down and most people are hostile you might avoid natural fortifications under the thinking that others will already have armed themsleves there and could be even more dangerous

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Watching The Walking Dead again.

When they find the Prison in season 3 is a decent plot device, what with it being naturally fortified.

But, I just can’t buy that Hershell wouldn’t have known about it? Not only is he local, but one imagines farmers, with all their outbuildings an escapee might hole up in, would have a vested interest in knowing what correctional facilities might be in their area?


Not really- as others have mentioned, small prisons don't really get advertised. You'll see signs very near it, but states and counties don't make a big deal of letting people know where they are.

For the farming aspect... out west, maybe. East coast farming is pretty contained. Our three barns are within 50' of the house, and we're pretty spread out by local standards. The guy down the road, his main barn is just on the other side of his driveway, and you'll probably kick a chicken going from one to the other. His sheep pen is admittedly across the road, but anyone trying to hide in there is going to have to deal with a tidal wave of sheep. It won't go unnoticed.

If someone were to try to hide in one of our barns during the winter... good luck. In the smaller one they'd only have about 10 tons of startled, panicked animals to deal with. In the main barn with the mothers (who've got young calves)? We'll clean up the mess in the morning. We once had a vulture land too near the herd when they were out in the field, shortly after calving time (I suspect it was after a shed placenta). The resulting smear looked like it had a blast radius- the whole herd just... converged, and the problem was rather permanently solved.

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In TWD I'm thinking zombies would overwhelm and consume the animals, or they would die without humans to care for them.

Speaking of BS in my favorite movies, I gotta admit that Aliens served up a double helping of total BS scenes.

One was the 'fusion reactor out of control" bit. Honestly, today it's really hellish to get a fusion reaction to start outside of a brief one in a nuclear warhead. If we did get fusion reactors i have a verrrry hard time imagine one running out of control and building up to a huge explosion. More likely the reactor would shut down the fuel feed to the reactor and the reaction would stop. And the reactor's safeties were working well enough to 'vent' so again I really can't see a fusion reactor building up to a massive nebraska sized explosion.

As to the alien queen hiding in the dropship lading gear, yeah, BS. On a military vessel space is at a premium. The idea of the queen finding enough empty (wasted) space to hide in in pretty BS to me. Hell, the wheelwells on a 747 are barely large enough to hide a man in. You think a milspec craft is going to waste enough space to hide a SUV in?

But other than that it was a good movie.

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To be fair the Alien nest was built within the reactor building and it was clear that the colonists had engaged the Aliens before being overrun. There is every chance that the reactors safeties were damaged during those events. Either during the battles; as part of the colonists final attempt at defiance in blowing it all up to kill the aliens; or as part of the Alien's expansion of their own nest and hive causing damage/blocking off vents etc...

Whilst the Aliens are intelligent, they are all very young and clearly have not mastered their prey environment. Interestingly the comics always keep the aliens as being quite feral in nature even with their intelligence. Personally I've always held the view that, if left alone for long enough, they would master the technologies of their hosts.

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 Overread wrote:
To be fair the Alien nest was built within the reactor building and it was clear that the colonists had engaged the Aliens before being overrun. There is every chance that the reactors safeties were damaged during those events. Either during the battles; as part of the colonists final attempt at defiance in blowing it all up to kill the aliens; or as part of the Alien's expansion of their own nest and hive causing damage/blocking off vents etc...

Whilst the Aliens are intelligent, they are all very young and clearly have not mastered their prey environment. Interestingly the comics always keep the aliens as being quite feral in nature even with their intelligence. Personally I've always held the view that, if left alone for long enough, they would master the technologies of their hosts.


So we can just sit back and wait for them to addicted to Candy Crush? I'm getting images of the end of Young Frankenstein where 'the monster' ends up married and reading The Wall Street Journal in bed......
   
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MarkNorfolk wrote:
 Overread wrote:
To be fair the Alien nest was built within the reactor building and it was clear that the colonists had engaged the Aliens before being overrun. There is every chance that the reactors safeties were damaged during those events. Either during the battles; as part of the colonists final attempt at defiance in blowing it all up to kill the aliens; or as part of the Alien's expansion of their own nest and hive causing damage/blocking off vents etc...

Whilst the Aliens are intelligent, they are all very young and clearly have not mastered their prey environment. Interestingly the comics always keep the aliens as being quite feral in nature even with their intelligence. Personally I've always held the view that, if left alone for long enough, they would master the technologies of their hosts.


So we can just sit back and wait for them to addicted to Candy Crush? I'm getting images of the end of Young Frankenstein where 'the monster' ends up married and reading The Wall Street Journal in bed......


Hey it could happen. Movie wise we've never really seen a settled matured hive infest a world and remain in power for a prolonged period of time. Xenos have high dexterity and clearly have very capable fing...claws. That they can work out even basic things within hours of being birthed suggests a high level of adaptability and data processing going on in their heads. Whilst one might presume that Queens and other higher-order Xenos might well be the only ones that develop higher functions; its potential within the creature.

Like I said before, the comics at least tend to lean toward Xenos being smart but ultimately very feral in nature; so even the few mature hives and the hive world are shown as more feral and wild. That said I think when you look at them as a species they have potential to develop technologies or at least to rise to a point where they can adapt and use those of hteir foes.



Imagine Xenos with guns!

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Battlefield Earth

All of it.

It’s silly. Very silly indeed.

   
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Its been a long time since I saw it, but there was some film that might have been Live Free or Die Hard where a hacker character...hacked the street lamps to turn them all off at one point, which just made me laugh out loud for like 2 minutes.

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Was that Die Hard 4? Isn't that the one he drives a car into dividing bollard which somehow launches it into the air to take out a helicopter? That film is nonsense from start to finish.
   
 
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