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 lord_blackfang wrote:
That party really could be on the box cover of literally any setting agnostic dungeon crawler on the market, there's nothing that makes it AoS, there's not even anything that makes it GW.

I was thinking beastmen are actually pretty uniqe for GW. Sure the satyrs are pretty generic due to widespread mythology, but beastmen are sort of the dark nightmare version of satyrs. One could argue satyrs are pretty "mischievious" and down right scary in some aspects, but not really worse in moral than your common guy or demigod in the ancient world.
Also, to have the chaotic and twisted side of nature based on herbivore cattle it not something you usually see utside of GW.
(not going in to the "original" beastmen that was just mutated animals, man-wolves, -bears, -badgers or what-have-you furries.

To be fair, I took this picture in a medieval church close to where I live, so the concept is not unheard of

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Ignore bait when it makes an appearance.

hard to ignore bait when its radioactive in its stupidity. We are all dumber for having read that.

Let me know when GW finally gives medieval art battle snails their proper due as the ultimate foes of Bretonnia. Bonus points if they're also ridden by historically accurate bunny knights.

 warboss wrote:
Let me know when GW finally gives medieval art battle snails their proper due as the ultimate foes of Bretonnia. Bonus points if they're also ridden by historically accurate bunny knights.

You are unfamiliar with the Cities of Sigmar attack snail?

It's one of the fun aspects of AOS I really like, all those little creatures across the different ranges.

Do they exist outside of the cities of sigmar range?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


You are unfamiliar with the Cities of Sigmar attack snail?

I was not aware of those. Given the importance of the faction, I'd expect 32mm scale and not Warmaster base dressing. Battlesnails are NOT tactical rocks! It should be clear from the authentic art posted likely drawn from in person war correspondent experience.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Do they exist outside of the cities of sigmar range?

Not those weird creatures, but Sylvaneth has lots of strange bugs and Idoneth have extra fish and eels. I suppose Grots have some occasional squig variants and mushrooms with faces.

 Fayric wrote:

I was thinking beastmen are actually pretty uniqe for GW.

They're just Broo from Runequest. Citadel used to make miniatures for that game under licence, and then just ported them across to their own setting when they lost said licence.

I think skaven are probably the most unique. Can't think of any pre-skaven fiction that had ratmen of the sort represented by Skaven. Yes there were one-off ratmen or races of feral giant were-rats or whatever, but not necessarily empires of sentient anthropomorphic rats. TV Tropes actually indicates that skaven may be the trope codifier.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think skaven are probably the most unique. Can't think of any pre-skaven fiction that had ratmen of the sort represented by Skaven. Yes there were one-off ratmen or races of feral giant were-rats or whatever, but not necessarily empires of sentient anthropomorphic rats. TV Tropes actually indicates that skaven may be the trope codifier.

Yes there were... in Lieber's World of Lankhmar (Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser stories). They had an entire civilization under humanity's cities. However, these anthropomorphic ratmen were not human sized.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think skaven are probably the most unique. Can't think of any pre-skaven fiction that had ratmen of the sort represented by Skaven. Yes there were one-off ratmen or races of feral giant were-rats or whatever, but not necessarily empires of sentient anthropomorphic rats. TV Tropes actually indicates that skaven may be the trope codifier.

Breed to Come, Andre Norton 1972.

Sentient rat-people, high(-ish) tech. Opposed to all the other cat-people and dog-people, and probably other animal type-peoples too.
IIRC, they were quite a bit bigger than regular rats, but not quite human sized.

So far as unique goes, I've always appreciated the design of the Fimir. I'm still hoping GW will be bold enough to try doing them again.

For another proto-Skaven reference, there was an underpeople rat-lady in Cordwainer Smith's "The Dead Lady of Clown Town." from 1964.

It is an excellent story of a retelling of Joan of Arc set in the Instrumentality of Mankind universe.

I was originally going to post the excerpt, but it would have probably made Khorne question my sense of good taste.

Just read the story. It is available online for free.

callidusx3 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think skaven are probably the most unique. Can't think of any pre-skaven fiction that had ratmen of the sort represented by Skaven. Yes there were one-off ratmen or races of feral giant were-rats or whatever, but not necessarily empires of sentient anthropomorphic rats. TV Tropes actually indicates that skaven may be the trope codifier.

Yes there were... in Lieber's World of Lankhmar (Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser stories). They had an entire civilization under humanity's cities. However, these anthropomorphic ratmen were not human sized.

They even had a council of thirteen. And they could become human-sized through magic.

 Sacredroach wrote:
For another proto-Skaven reference, there was an underpeople rat-lady in Cordwainer Smith's "The Dead Lady of Clown Town." from 1964.

It is an excellent story of a retelling of Joan of Arc set in the Instrumentality of Mankind universe.

I was originally going to post the excerpt, but it would have probably made Khorne question my sense of good taste.

Just read the story. It is available online for free.

Such a great story teller, I think im due a re-read

Potato cam returns

The source appears to be a catalogue perhaps the Christmas one?

41 minis (most likely including some scenery like markers)... 6 or 7 heroes?

But I certainly hope that is not the only playboard...

Certainly looks like a major step back from the procedurally generated Cursed City

SKR.HH wrote:
41 minis (most likely including some scenery like markers)... 6 or 7 heroes?

But I certainly hope that is not the only playboard...

Weirdly, that looks a bit like a book.

It does look like a book.

And 41 seems to be not including the based tokens, just actual minis.

Oooh is this a Kurnothi hero on the oval base?

So a set of pre-baked encounter maps you flip between instead of a single, continuous level?

Weird choice for a sewer crawler, a premise that seems right at home in long, winding corridors.

I think it is just a board. Compare to the Bloodbowl one. I think the edges being interpreted as pages of a book is just edging around the perimeter.

Not massively enthusing for gaming.

But still loads of models.


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No. Wait. I take that back entirely. Looks like a book spine running up the middle.

Interesting. Certainly different, but does open up cheaper expansions?

If it lies flat. Shiny pages at jaunty angles = slidey models.

Looks more like Underworlds than Quest, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Setting up the combats in Blackstone wasn't a difficult task, but they could sometimes feel like a chore depending on the size of the map. Its hard to make out if the boards have square or hex tiles...

 warboss wrote:
Let me know when GW finally gives medieval art battle snails their proper due as the ultimate foes of Bretonnia. Bonus points if they're also ridden by historically accurate bunny knights.

If you're willing to go third party, Meridian Miniatures and Old School Miniatures do similar creatures.

SamusDrake wrote:
Looks more like Underworlds than Quest, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Setting up the combats in Blackstone wasn't a difficult task, but they could sometimes feel like a chore depending on the size of the map. Its hard to make out if the boards have square or hex tiles...

Squares, I think?

I expect we’ll get more info this week.

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Oooh is this a Kurnothi hero on the oval base?

Looks like a bow centaur with red hair, so very possible. Hope so, gives more credence to the whole faction getting expanded out.

Not sure what this novelty board is about, but my first impression is that GW will have to do some convincing to get me interested. I like the look of a sprawling dungeon.

I could see a book of maps provide a neat way of structuring an adventure. Clear starting room two, move on to room five, then seven, then eight, win by beating boss room three, that kind of thing. Easy to flip through, easy to locate. And it saves table space. I could see GW go for something like that.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
So a set of pre-baked encounter maps you flip between instead of a single, continuos level?

Weird choice for a sewer crawler, a premise that seems right at home in long, winding corridors.

It's a series of (stinking) pool parties.