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I recently purchased an NPAP AK47, but I have some problems with it, namely canting. The rear sights hang right, and front sights have left. I have to twist the rifle sideways to aim it, and I'm afraid to shoot the thing because I doubt it'll be accurate. Here are some shots of it:
When I look down the inside of the receiver, the barrel is leaning slightly to the left. Should I return it or is this still a working rifle? It was supposedly "QC" checked with the online place I got it from.
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When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
And wave your hands and shout.
I would take it to a gunsmith to have it checked out, if you're worried. He will be able to assess it much better than any of us will be able to just by looking at a few pictures.
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I recently purchased an NPAP AK47, but I have some problems with it, namely canting. The rear sights hang right, and front sights have left. I have to twist the rifle sideways to aim it, and I'm afraid to shoot the thing because I doubt it'll be accurate. Here are some shots of it:
When I look down the inside of the receiver, the barrel is leaning slightly to the left. Should I return it or is this still a working rifle? It was supposedly "QC" checked with the online place I got it from.
Where'd you get it? From Atlantic? I'd bring it up with them if so. This happens when rifles aren't put together properly, not unknown with NPAP's and WASR's. I'd bring it up with whomever you received it from. Failing that, bring it to a qualified gunsmith and see what they can do for you.
Looking at it, it looks like the front trunnion was assembled incorrectly perhaps? The gas tube looks like it's got a ~5 degree or so angle on it trying to mate up with the front gas block. Check the action, I'd *definitely* make sure the gas piston is moving properly through that tube. I wouldn't fire it as is.
Get it looked at or exchanged.
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Yeah, when I charge it all the way back it seizes and I have to push the handle back forward manually -- but I attributed it to the rifle simply being tight. I'm inexperienced when it comes to rifles, I suppose. I've sent Atlantic an email earlier today and I'm waiting to hear back from them on this one.
When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
And wave your hands and shout.
I recently purchased an NPAP AK47, but I have some problems with it, namely canting. The rear sights hang right, and front sights have left. I have to twist the rifle sideways to aim it, and I'm afraid to shoot the thing because I doubt it'll be accurate. Here are some shots of it:
When I look down the inside of the receiver, the barrel is leaning slightly to the left. Should I return it or is this still a working rifle? It was supposedly "QC" checked with the online place I got it from.
You should return it for one without canted sights. Some models of AK have this issue out of the box - Century Arms are famous for it.
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I recently purchased an NPAP AK47, but I have some problems with it, namely canting. The rear sights hang right, and front sights have left. I have to twist the rifle sideways to aim it, and I'm afraid to shoot the thing because I doubt it'll be accurate. Here are some shots of it:
When I look down the inside of the receiver, the barrel is leaning slightly to the left. Should I return it or is this still a working rifle? It was supposedly "QC" checked with the online place I got it from.
Definitely send it back. If the gas block is canted enough, it can actually cause the piston to bind inside the gas tube. The gas tube is actually pretty rough on the inside with little teeth to keep the piston centered, so too much side to side play will cause it to drag and wear on the gas tube.
Yeah, when I charge it all the way back it seizes and I have to push the handle back forward manually -- but I attributed it to the rifle simply being tight. I'm inexperienced when it comes to rifles, I suppose. I've sent Atlantic an email earlier today and I'm waiting to hear back from them on this one.
AKs arent known for being tight, which helps with their dependability actually.
Dont put a round through it until you get it checked by someone.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: Just a random thought D, but if you got an AR15 in .22 and you wanted to diversify what you shoot would you be able to switch out uppers to accept 5.56?
Dreadclaw, as others have mentioned there are .22 LR conversion kits for AR15s that work great.
I've had one by Spike's Tactical and three by CMMG. The CMMG kits win by a MILE, and CMMG makes their own mags.
Good to hear, just picked up a CMMG kit (evolution) that came with three mags. I put it in one of my kids ARs (until he's able to fight the flinch) and it cycles well, but I havent had a chance to take it to the range. Way less expensive than a dedicated upper or an S&S MP 15.
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1000-1200 for the kit and the pistol, plus the 200 tax stamp? Not bad for an SBR, all things considered. Hell of a lot cheaper than a vector, though admittedly not as cool.
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Yeah...For a kit that after all is said and done costs about 1K to have, nice but nope.
Just get an AR pistol
Oh, and Sig Sauer is going to pursue the SB15 issue with the BATFE, should be interesting to see. Money is on ATF losing.....
What case would they have? The grip isn't illegal, so long as they can't prove you purchased it with the intent to create an SBR, so what does Sig have to argue?
Yeah...For a kit that after all is said and done costs about 1K to have, nice but nope.
Just get an AR pistol
Oh, and Sig Sauer is going to pursue the SB15 issue with the BATFE, should be interesting to see. Money is on ATF losing.....
What case would they have? The grip isn't illegal, so long as they can't prove you purchased it with the intent to create an SBR, so what does Sig have to argue?
ATF is arguing that using the SB15 as a shoulder stock instead of its designed purpose, magically transforms it to an SBR. Sig also has a suit against ATF because ATF designated a muzzle device Sig invented for reducing recoil and flash as a suppressor.
Here's a video on the SB15: View it from the 3:30 mark...
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While I agree that the NFA is ridiculous (and silly, considering the intent), I'm still not sure that Sig has a case. Now, it's been a while since I read the letter, so I could have forgotten the exact wording, but it seems to me that they were writing the letter based around an argument on the initial intent of the modification. Essentially, they are stating that neither the addition of the brace nor the improper use of that brace are illegal, rather that the improper use indicates that the original modification was made with the express intent to create an SBR, which are illegal to own without the gak you need to file and giving them money. It's sorta hokey, probably because the NFA is asinine, but as far as I can tell, sig might just be screwed. Their only hope is to argue that the addition of the brace doesn't constitute a physical modification, which would be a bit of a hard sell, at least to me.
Stonebeard wrote: While I agree that the NFA is ridiculous (and silly, considering the intent), I'm still not sure that Sig has a case. Now, it's been a while since I read the letter, so I could have forgotten the exact wording, but it seems to me that they were writing the letter based around an argument on the initial intent of the modification. Essentially, they are stating that neither the addition of the brace nor the improper use of that brace are illegal, rather that the improper use indicates that the original modification was made with the express intent to create an SBR, which are illegal to own without the gak you need to file and giving them money. It's sorta hokey, probably because the NFA is asinine, but as far as I can tell, sig might just be screwed. Their only hope is to argue that the addition of the brace doesn't constitute a physical modification, which would be a bit of a hard sell, at least to me.
To clarify, though, I REALLY want Sig to win.
You may want to watch the video just posted. It does a good job of explaining the capricious nature of this new ruling
SiG should just come out with a tac-vest that has an AR stock attached to the shoulder for you to pull an AR pistol against. Just slip the buffer tube in and start shooting
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Stonebeard wrote: While I agree that the NFA is ridiculous (and silly, considering the intent), I'm still not sure that Sig has a case. Now, it's been a while since I read the letter, so I could have forgotten the exact wording, but it seems to me that they were writing the letter based around an argument on the initial intent of the modification. Essentially, they are stating that neither the addition of the brace nor the improper use of that brace are illegal, rather that the improper use indicates that the original modification was made with the express intent to create an SBR, which are illegal to own without the gak you need to file and giving them money. It's sorta hokey, probably because the NFA is asinine, but as far as I can tell, sig might just be screwed. Their only hope is to argue that the addition of the brace doesn't constitute a physical modification, which would be a bit of a hard sell, at least to me.
To clarify, though, I REALLY want Sig to win.
You may want to watch the video just posted. It does a good job of explaining the capricious nature of this new ruling
I watched it, and I agree with the man that the ruling is silly, but I don't agree that the law was technically modified (I disagree with the way he interpreted the letter) and I don't really see a way of changing this without removing the NFA.
Without violating laws, and you had a bee in your bonnet, wouldn't a nice bullpup perform similarly, but more accurately?
I'll be honest these just scream tacticool mall ninja to me.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Hand cannon actually. Give me a fuse that burns for six hours and I'm happy!
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Going back to that pistol conversion previously; I don't see the point of pistol caliber carbines. It seems like all the drawbacks of both types of gun, without really providing any benefits of either.
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Ouze wrote: Going back to that pistol conversion previously; I don't see the point of pistol caliber carbines. It seems like all the drawbacks of both types of gun, without really providing any benefits of either.
Easier to aim, more accurate and quicker followup shots, ammunition cost and decreased risk of putting a round through your problem and the house behind him, I would guess. That thing in .45 seems like it would be great for home defense, though not much use outside that unless you have a fully auto, in which case it would just be fun as hell.
Don't kick as much.
Same ammo-LOGISTICS PEOPLE!!!!
Some types of pistol carbines can use the same mag as a similar pistol (Beretta Storm can use Beretta 92 and Storm pistol mags for example).
Most importantly, when you're charging the Pepper Gang single handedly on horeseback with your Winchester lever action in one hand and Remington peacemaker in the other, you don't want to be mixing up ammo.
As the immortal bard once said: "fill your hands you sonofabich!"
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Frazzled wrote: Without violating laws, and you had a bee in your bonnet, wouldn't a nice bullpup perform similarly, but more accurately?
I'll be honest these just scream tacticool mall ninja to me.
Which arm are you talking about? The conversion kit?
The sig AR pistol types with the "wrist supports." Was that not being discussed? (youtubes are blocked for me)
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
