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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Scarabs are definitely going to help a lot as a tarpit.

Also was it just me or are Lychguard and Praetorians at 2 Wounds? I need to look at the sheets again but damn that's good stuff. If you want to fork over the points for a Cryptek, you can make your Lychguard still tough with a 5++ and keep the Scythes.

Remember that the Cryptek 5++ is only against shooting - but if you want to spring an extra 39 points, Orikan gives them a 5++ period. He still gives out the same RP buff and trades shooting for better melee and attacks.

 Grimgold wrote:
Unless something changed this edition genestealers don't benefit from synapse, so you can battle shock them off of the board. They do have leadership 9 though, so it takes around 7 or so casualties before battle shock becomes a worry, but that's also the same point where we can get them down to 3 attacks per with a decent battle shock roll.

Per the offense sheet, our best answer for genestealers is scarabs. Scarabs are fast, fearless, have a ton of attacks, and a ton of wounds. the fact they are around the same cost as Genestealers means we can field them in an almost one on one fashion. If a unit of 10 can get the charge it's likely good night for the genestealers.

According to leaked rules, all units from a <Hive Fleet> automatically pass morale tests in synapse range. Genestealers have the <Hive Fleet> keyword.


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 Kornath wrote:
If wraiths have an armour save of 4+ wouldn't that mean that Grav weapons don't get any bonuses against them?

EDIT: Ignore me, it just says 3+ save (unless it makes a distinction between armour and invulnerable save)

I think your first idea is right. The Sv in the profile is an armor save. This is effectively means the Grav weapons won't do increased damage on wraiths even if they have 3+ invul save.

Denegaar wrote:


Off topic - I'm holding on a Praetorians/Lychguard box, and I'm not sure what to build... both models look really good opinions?

For under $20 you can buy the necessary bits to build both out of one box. That is how I put together x10 of both Praetorians/Lychguard.

We are back with Tesla in overwatch now, right?

Looks like it. I don't see anything stopping the tesla from proccing now.


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Requizen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Scarabs are definitely going to help a lot as a tarpit.

Also was it just me or are Lychguard and Praetorians at 2 Wounds? I need to look at the sheets again but damn that's good stuff. If you want to fork over the points for a Cryptek, you can make your Lychguard still tough with a 5++ and keep the Scythes.

Remember that the Cryptek 5++ is only against shooting.

That's a good buff though. One of the problems scythguard had were that they were really easy to gun down due to a lack of an invul. Now with 2w and a 5++ save from a nearby cryptek, as well as the changes to ap, its going to be harder to kill them off.

torblind wrote:
We are back with Tesla in overwatch now, right?

It depends a lot on how the +1/-1 to hit is worded.

Mathematically speaking, I think that a +1 to hit would prevent us from using abilities that allow us to re-roll ones. as a roll of 1 would be a "2" and a roll of 6 would be a "7".

Conversely, with a -1 to hit, a roll of 6 would be a "5". It's all about how it is worded.

 Adam Spielmann wrote:

torblind wrote:
We are back with Tesla in overwatch now, right?

It depends a lot on how the +1/-1 to hit is worded.

Mathematically speaking, I think that a +1 to hit would prevent us from using abilities that allow us to re-roll ones. as a roll of 1 would be a "2" and a roll of 6 would be a "7".

Conversely, with a -1 to hit, a roll of 6 would be a "5". It's all about how it is worded.

Overwatch is a flat 6 to hit. There is no modifier.

Whops! My bad. For some reason I tought it was a -1 to hit. Too many news and profiles in the last 2 days. Then I guess it's definitely correct. Tesla Immortals are back in the spotlight!

To be honest, I was a bit surprised by the return of the 6 to hit as well. I don't know why they would use a flat number in a game where they just introduced modifiers, but I'm sure there's a good reason.

So with the new RP, a silver tide approach seems like a good idea. A few high count/maxed out units of Warriors and Immortals would be the best use of the RP. And bucketloads of AP shooting

Any reason to not take a full ghost ark over 20 warriors? GA has the firepower of 20 warriors, gives a res orb every round, and has a 12" move. It's also arguably tougher than a 20 man warrior blob, and thanks to the hovering rule can shoot all of it's shot from it's prow ornament (painfully silly, but that's the way it will be till a faq). Obsec is gone, and I can't think of a reason why bodies would be better. what do you guys think?

 Grimgold wrote:
Any reason to not take a full ghost ark over 20 warriors? GA has the firepower of 20 warriors, gives a res orb every round, and has a 12" move. It's also arguably tougher than a 20 man warrior blob, and thanks to the hovering rule can shoot all of it's shot from it's prow ornament (painfully silly, but that's the way it will be till a faq). Obsec is gone, and I can't think of a reason why bodies would be better. what do you guys think?

The only downside I can think is that it doesn't benefit from as many bonuses/synergies and can't come back when slain (though has Living Metal). Other than that, you're right, it's pretty awesome.

Though to clarify, it has the shooting of 10 Warriors, each Flayer Array is 5 shots.

Requizen wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
Any reason to not take a full ghost ark over 20 warriors? GA has the firepower of 20 warriors, gives a res orb every round, and has a 12" move. It's also arguably tougher than a 20 man warrior blob, and thanks to the hovering rule can shoot all of it's shot from it's prow ornament (painfully silly, but that's the way it will be till a faq). Obsec is gone, and I can't think of a reason why bodies would be better. what do you guys think?

The only downside I can think is that it doesn't benefit from as many bonuses/synergies and can't come back when slain (though has Living Metal). Other than that, you're right, it's pretty awesome.

Though to clarify, it has the shooting of 10 Warriors, each Flayer Array is 5 shots.

Yea each flayer array is Rapid fire 5, meaning 10 shots per flayer, so 20 shots from both flayers at rapid fire.

I feel the only reason to have 20 is to have a cryptek with them and buffing them up. I had this thought too, but since I only have one GA, and one DA, gonna keep it at 1.

 Klowny wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
Any reason to not take a full ghost ark over 20 warriors? GA has the firepower of 20 warriors, gives a res orb every round, and has a 12" move. It's also arguably tougher than a 20 man warrior blob, and thanks to the hovering rule can shoot all of it's shot from it's prow ornament (painfully silly, but that's the way it will be till a faq). Obsec is gone, and I can't think of a reason why bodies would be better. what do you guys think?

The only downside I can think is that it doesn't benefit from as many bonuses/synergies and can't come back when slain (though has Living Metal). Other than that, you're right, it's pretty awesome.

Though to clarify, it has the shooting of 10 Warriors, each Flayer Array is 5 shots.

Yea each flayer array is Rapid fire 5, meaning 10 shots per flayer, so 20 shots from both flayers at rapid fire.

I feel the only reason to have 20 is to have a cryptek with them and buffing them up. I had this thought too, but since I only have one GA, and one DA, gonna keep it at 1.

Yeah but Warriors are also Rapid Fire. A Flayer Array has the firepower of 5 Warriors.

Though it's easier to get in Rapid Fire range with the Ghost Ark I suppose, with the bigger movement.

A Spyder with a Fab Claw and a Gloom prism hiding behind a Mono, T-Vault, or Oby seem like it could be a good thing. Fab Claw+Living Metal could erase a giant chunk of fire power every turn.

Ghost Ark isn't open topped, and warriors don't have pistols. I don't think that the warriors inside can shoot out. That is a downside.

The Imgur albums I was using just went down, does anyone have an upload I can grab for Necrons and Core rules?

I'm using the images from this thread.

Here:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/750/715040.page#9396150

 Anpu-adom wrote:
I'm using the images from this thread.

Here:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/750/715040.page#9396150

Thanks much

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Ghost Ark isn't open topped, and warriors don't have pistols. I don't think that the warriors inside can shoot out. That is a downside.

there is that 7th ed mindset getting me again, I think you're right, nothing I've read says you can shoot out unless you have pistols and the vehicle is in CC.

Dumb question - are C'tan powers shooting attacks, or can they be used in combat?

C'tan powers can be used in the shooting phase.

Eyjio wrote:
Dumb question - are C'tan powers shooting attacks, or can they be used in combat?

It says they are used in the shooting phase so Imagine that's the answer. No dumb questions, everyone is starting from zero again with this.

Terrible news! I don't think a unit can move after being brought into play by the Monolith. I assumed it worked like a transport but the section of the core rules on reinforcements says any unit brought into play mid turn can't move.

To hit modifiers and things that reroll 1s or have tesla may need clarification, I assume youre 1s are 2s so can't be rerolled and youre 5s get 2 extra hits but not sure.

Denegaar wrote:C'tan powers can be used in the shooting phase.

buddha wrote:It says they are used in the shooting phase so Imagine that's the answer. No dumb questions, everyone is starting from zero again with this.

Yeah, that's the bit I don't get. They're what I would call "ranged weapons", but they don't have a unit profile, so I don't know if they can actually be used or not.

Also, I think the Tesseract Vault gets to use the same power multiple times because they're not psychic powers. I mean, they're still awful, but it's something.

The Powers are not Weapons on the Datasheet, so you can use it while within 1" of an enemy. There is no rule restricting that.

I am looking forward to flying Praetorians that have 2 Wounds.

What are people's thoughts on named characters?

Imhotek seems good just not sure what place he has in an army. His stormlord power is a pretty decent mortal wound generator at least. Seems pricey compared to other big named character though.

Zhandrekh is only 180pts for a whole heap load of buffs. Not bad in CC. I'm liking him more and more as I try to build armies.

Trazyn.. ya, they still havn't figured out why a player should take him.

Orikan is great. Another awesome choice. Beyond his own good stats and "stars is right" ability the supercharged area invul rocks.

Szeras gives out whole game lasting buffs a turn to immortals and warriors. With a decent anti-tank weapon not bad at all.

Arankyr holy crap hits hard, can be taken in any <dynasty> and now has an invul.

Obyron gets a big "meh" from me for his cost.

I'm not sure there is agreement the C'tan powers suck...they seem pretty good to me. You can tailor the power you take per game based on the enemy army, and mortal wounds are excellent.

I'm going to assume Time's Arrow can't be used to snipe minor characters, though it's not exactly clear because it's not really 'shooting' despite taking place in the shooting phase. If it's FAQed that it can, it makes it really good, but if it can't, there are still plenty of high value 2W and 3W per model units people like to take.

With regard to characters:

- Stormlord seems decent now. He can shoot both of his weapons and he no longer gets screwed by melee. He has the Overlord buff, a Flayed One buff, a pretty nice once-per-game ability and improved regeneration. I don't know whether he's worth his points, but he looks usable at least.

- Trazyn likewise looks improved. He gained a 4+ invulnerable, Living Metal, My Will be Done, +1S, his weapon inflicts d3 wounds and he still has his revival ability. Given his cost, he really doesn't seem too bad to me. I get that he won't be optimal, but unlike his last incarnation I wouldn't feel like I was actively handicapping myself by taking him.

Anyway, I've got some questions:
- What are people's thoughts regarding a Destroyer Lord vs. a regular Overlord?
- Which do you like best - the warscythe or the staff of light?
- Do you think Phylacteries or Res. Orbs are worth it?

With regard to Destroyers, what do you think will be the optimal unit size for them? Also, do you think it's better to keep Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers separate, or mix and match?