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Eternal Cacophony mathhammer for Havocs with 4 overcharged Plasma & Combi-Plasma, Lord buff

10 shots
6.67 hits
1.67 1's
Re-rolling 1's:
1.11 hits
0.28 overheats

First round of shooting:
7.78 hits
0.28 overheats

Second round of shooting: number of dice rolled likely to be reduced by 0.56, due to 0.28 of a casualty not contributing 2 shots. (Actual granular numbers may be a tiny bit worse, due to fringe cases of multiple overheats).

0.56 from 10 is a 5.6% reduction.
94.4% of 7.78 hits is 7.34 hits
94.4% of 0.28 overheats is 0.26 overheats

Sum of first and second firing is

15.12 hits
0.54 overheats

(These numbers are much improved by Prescience, we already know that will deliver 97% accuracy and completely prevent overheats, bar enemy shenanigans)

15.12 hits at S8 AP-3 D2

Common hard targets:

1-2W Squads with T<5 and 2+/5++: 8.4 dead
T5-7, 3+: 16.8 W
T5-7, 2+: 13.44 W
T8, 3+: 12.6 W
T8, 2+: 10.08 W
Guilliman: 6.72 W

Increase all by 20% for Chosen with PG & five Combi-Plasma

What are people's thoughts on the Hellwright? With or without the Dark Abeyance?

In the 1D4chan tactica (maybe not the most reliable source of unit overviews, but it's the only one out there that I know of), the Hellsmith is generally described as being a Warpsmith+1, with a couple stat boosts and a better weapon, and the option of having the Dark Abeyance.

...But it says that it's a worthwhile upgrade because "He is an extra twelve points compared to the Warpsmith".

Except that when I work it out, the basic Hellwright is actually 50 points more than a Warpsmith (83 to 133), and the Dark Abeyance version boosts that up to 178 points.

For that you get +1S, +1T, +1W, a soulburner and a better Axe, and the Aura that gives only Hellforged vehicles +1 Attack. (With the abeyance you get another wound, and 2" of movement, and an extra Heavy weapon that I couldn't judge if it's good or bad).

Thoughts? I mean for 10 more points you could get a psychic Daemon Prince. Pretty sure you can get a Chaos Lord + Sorceror for that kind of points. I do want the Hellwright to be worth it's points though, as it would be a fluffy fit for my army.

Edit: Oops, wrong thread was meant to post this in the tactica