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 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Thanks for the response! Any information on relics or maybe "experimental wargear(if they call it that)?"

As mentioned, letting GW reveal those. i pretty much revealed most of everything else.

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Thanks for the response! Any information on relics or maybe "experimental wargear(if they call it that)?"

As mentioned, letting GW reveal those. i pretty much revealed most of everything else.

Understandable. The information you have given is very generous in itself. Thanks again!

Oh 1 in 3 Crisis can take Iridum. 2+ AS

xxhikaru123 wrote:
Oh 1 in 3 Crisis can take Iridum. 2+ AS

how many points?

calisk wrote:

xxhikaru123 wrote:
Oh 1 in 3 Crisis can take Iridum. 2+ AS

how many points?

15 . Btw dont see quotes from my points/changes lists, because i do go back to edit / update them. Quotes only captures the original post, which may leave stuff out.

xxhikaru123 wrote:
I will probably chill for a bit, good to let GW release some.

The codex is great for combined arms Tau of various sorts. Probably even awesome for some combination. But pure crisis armies are gonna be disappointed

Nah man, keep it coming!!!I'm desperate here

 FirePainter wrote:
Somebody doesn't want Tau playing with suits. I guess we are an infantry army now.

Or maybe they just want Suits to be an elite unit, whereas the majority of Tau forces be their - wait for it - troops!

Well a squad of burst cannon crisis suits would drop to 198 with the burst cannon cost reduction, could take the armor and still be ahead of what they cost now....i guess...

There's still probably some uses for flamer crisis suits. As a delivery platform they are great, whether it's drones or flamers, depending if you are able to place homing beacon or not.

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

xxhikaru123 wrote:

Multitracker now only works on units with 5 or more models.

Do you mean the Multi-Tracker has to be in a unit with 5 or more models or that it has to target a unit with 5 or more models?

Targets

Real quick follow-up then I'm done:

Darkstrider. Does he use the T'au Warlord Trait or a different one?

xxhikaru123 wrote:
New Tau first glance. Riptide, Ghostkeel, some Broadsides, commanders up to limit, and either piranhas or troop spam.


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II Vindicare II wrote:
Wow, nova profiles gone on riptide weapons? Does that mean it's nova charge ability changed?

Nova-charge weapon profile: HBC Heavy 18 and Accelerator Heavy 6.

I know rumors have been banded about, but what are the new limits for Commanders?

Thanks in advance!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
Somebody doesn't want Tau playing with suits. I guess we are an infantry army now.

Or maybe they just want Suits to be an elite unit, whereas the majority of Tau forces be their - wait for it - troops!

Ignoring that the Farsight playstyle is fairly long established, taking less of something overpriced doesn't make it better, it just wastes less of your list.

Honestly straight from the index I'm not really sure what they were thinking in not improving BS to more fluff accurate levels. Nullifying markerlights from their prior easy-access to BS2 format and taking out JSJ were sensible balance moves, but without markers Tau are an elite shooting force with nonelite shooting skill.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
Somebody doesn't want Tau playing with suits. I guess we are an infantry army now.

Or maybe they just want Suits to be an elite unit, whereas the majority of Tau forces be their - wait for it - troops!

Well it would be nice if Crisis Suits had the stats to be truly elite units then.

Well, they're halfway there; they have the cost part down!

Man. I know probably this Codex will not be the hotness for heavy crisis suit armies, but for my heavy infantry army that relies in Broadsides and tanks for support? This is a god-send!

I'll wait for the full Codex to see how playable my combined arm style of Tau army with breachers and devilfishes work... but for now it looks promising.

I like theres not only point changes but too changes to weapon profiles.

Felcat wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
Somebody doesn't want Tau playing with suits. I guess we are an infantry army now.

Or maybe they just want Suits to be an elite unit, whereas the majority of Tau forces be their - wait for it - troops!

Well it would be nice if Crisis Suits had the stats to be truly elite units then.

Truthfully, it seems like they just don't know where they want Crisis Suits or other 'veteran' vehicle things to be at.
Look at any of the Baneblade chassis for an example of this in another army. They're relic vehicles, effectively, that are supposed to be crewed by a tank regiment's best...yet somehow they're still BS4+.

With the drop to seven points for Breachers and Strike Team guys will a six point Kroot ever have a place in a list?

If you really, really need forward drop protection, they'll work. Otherwise, you're better off using hounds as speed bumps or just taking more Fire Warriors.

 FirePainter wrote:
No change to crisis suits.
No change to missile pods or the rest of the weapons except burst cannons.
ATS increased price.
Fire Warriors decreased price.
Devilfish decreased price.

Somebody doesn't want Tau playing with suits. I guess we are an infantry army now.

You can still play with suits. Seriously, just because the points are so damn crazy good that you can mimic dark reaper spam lists levels of competitive. Play with suits, stop trying to min max lists. Just build and have fun.

 Togusa wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
No change to crisis suits.
No change to missile pods or the rest of the weapons except burst cannons.
ATS increased price.
Fire Warriors decreased price.
Devilfish decreased price.

Somebody doesn't want Tau playing with suits. I guess we are an infantry army now.

You can still play with suits. Seriously, just because the points are so damn crazy good that you can mimic dark reaper spam lists levels of competitive. Play with suits, stop trying to min max lists. Just build and have fun.

I find it hard to "just have fun" if my army has a weakness that's a huge violation of it's fluff.

Suit pilots missing statistically half their shots is a good example of that. Tau are meant to be good at shooting to the complete exclusion of any pretence at close combat.

changemod wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
No change to crisis suits.
No change to missile pods or the rest of the weapons except burst cannons.
ATS increased price.
Fire Warriors decreased price.
Devilfish decreased price.

Somebody doesn't want Tau playing with suits. I guess we are an infantry army now.

You can still play with suits. Seriously, just because the points are so damn crazy good that you can mimic dark reaper spam lists levels of competitive. Play with suits, stop trying to min max lists. Just build and have fun.

I find it hard to "just have fun" if my army has a weakness that's a huge violation of it's fluff.

Suit pilots missing statistically half their shots is a good example of that. Tau are meant to be good at shooting to the complete exclusion of any pretence at close combat.

you probably can choose not to play tau for the rest of this edition then.
fluff rarely equates to table top gameplay anyway.

Yeah is confusing how the logic of "They have better stats because they have better training/more experience" applies to Conscripts/InfantrySquads/Veterans , and Flash Gitz compared with normal orks, and... nothing else in the game that is not an HQ/Elite character, really.

A Sternguard shoots just like a Devastator. A Tau Suit Pilot shots equally to a Tau Firewarrior. Even as Kanluwen said, the pilots of a baneblade are worse shoters than a IG Veteran.

It doesn't make any kind of sense.

Not saying this to complaint about Tau suit pilots being 4+BS. I can live with that. But is an inconsistence that I have never understood.

xxhikaru123 wrote:
I will probably chill for a bit, good to let GW release some.

The codex is great for combined arms Tau of various sorts. Probably even awesome for some combination. But pure crisis armies are gonna be disappointed

I dunno, I have like 18 Crisis Suits and it will be nice to have a reason to take more crisis than commanders in an army that probably won't be all that common (e.g., 1-2 commanders with a lot of regular Crisis Suits). Plus now I'll have a reason to add some Breachers and such.

xxhikaru123 wrote:
New Tau first glance. Riptide, Ghostkeel, some Broadsides, commanders up to limit, and either piranhas or troop spam.


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II Vindicare II wrote:
Wow, nova profiles gone on riptide weapons? Does that mean it's nova charge ability changed?

Nova-charge weapon profile: HBC Heavy 18 and Accelerator Heavy 6.

I'm confused. For the Ion Accelerator, do you choose between normal and Over-charged, and then apply the Nova Charge bonus if you used Nova Charge?

EDIT -

Also, were there any changes to the Mont'ka/Kauyon buffs on Commanders? That could be really important to Crisis Suits.

Felcat wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
Somebody doesn't want Tau playing with suits. I guess we are an infantry army now.

Or maybe they just want Suits to be an elite unit, whereas the majority of Tau forces be their - wait for it - troops!

Well it would be nice if Crisis Suits had the stats to be truly elite units then.

Tell that to my Terminators, Sternguard, and Vanguard Veterans that have the same BS and WS as a Scout. There really isn't any sort of rules that reflect elite units other than perhaps a better Armor Save or an additional attack, or maybe a slightly better piece of Wargear.

That is the game.

The only consistent upgrade for veteran units is the number of attacks. Tau Shas'vre have 3 attacks because of this. Which is useless next to their 5+ WS.

Looks like the Necron vs AdMech rumors were true.

that looks great, might be a reason to start an Admech army esp since it comes with the new Armiger.

well I guess it depends on how much $€£¥ it is.

Are seekers still 1 shot? If not then my double skyrays are a new staple

Thank you for all you've shared

Oooh, was thinking of starting Ad mech and was on the fence about necrons. This might let me do both.