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Despite the carnosaur looking awesome, i just got a metal one off ebay... $66 is too much.

I will give finecast a chance down the line most likely... but want to wait out these miscasts first...

Hmm - I may have accidentally ordered a Finecast Lord Commissar from Maelstrom. I was trying to take advantage of the 18% off voucher, and didn't think that Saturday was the Finecast day of release. Oh well, we'll see when my order turns up.....

Wow, 33 pages allready!

I bought a Jump Cahplian, an Autarch and the Phoenix Guard champion.

Caradryan (sp?) and the Autarch had some minor bubbling (super glue fixed it) and a small chunk of the right shoulderguard was chipped.

The chaplain had bubbles on the botton of his feet, the from of the jetpack and a chunk missing out of the edging of one of his shouldperpads.

I didn't feel like going back to the store, so greenstuff fixed all the issues that superglue would not.

I'm really liking the feel and working of the resin but most likely won't be buying any more finecast for a few months until they work out the kinks.

I feel lucky, one guy at my store went through 6 Canis and four boxes of Calgar & honor guard. He never did get a good canis...

Here a review by Total Wargamer http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/blog/?p=1342 .

Comparison pic:







Issues with bubbles: Yes.
Proof that Finecast has sharper edges and smoother surface: Yes.

Looks horrible to me. Here's the problems that seemed readily apparent, not to mention all the excess resin around the horns and various parts that look like they need a good cleaning.

Honestly, from those pics, the detail on the metal looks superior...

There are several layers of details to identify here... people say details are better here or there but I think they dont realise that details are not just the carved indentations on a miniature...

I see materials behave diferently in about 3 layers of detail:

Layer1 - Identations are the carved parts and these on this picture look cleaner and deeper on resin
Layer2 - Raised sharpness these are the spikes tips the blades edges and these look a lot better on metals since all finecasts look unsharped
Layer3 - The texture ( these are not very common on GW Styled miniatures )

So not looking at the other MAJOR facts that compromise the finecasts and talking about detail alone I think its a tie, better identations on resin but inferior sharpness on raised edges.

Not sure if I agree with point 1. Looking at the areas where there's enough natural shading to remove reflections (the underside of the right arm, for instance), the chain mail looks at least as well defined on the metal sculpt. As a few other people have noted, I'd really like to see a comparison where the metal's been hit with a quick wash of thinned black ink to kill the reflection and provide some shading.

The reflection on the photography makes direct comparison difficult. It would be much better for the sake of comparison if both minis were undercoated in the same neutral colour...

Alphacerberus wrote:it seems bigger moulds suffer due to finecast

but thankfully due to GW's amazing quality control none of these products ever see the shelves...oh wait a second.

ironicsilence wrote:Shame things arent turning out so good

we should be used to products not turning out so well with GW by now.

Lunchb0x wrote:This ladies and gentlemen, is how you shoot your self in the proverbial foot.

your asuming GW still has a foot left to shoot themselves in?

Claimh_Solais wrote:Perhaps a strange question but when do you think the next wave of finecast will come ?
1 month , 4-6 month - 1+ years ?

if GW have any sense and listen to what customers have been complaining about, never in a million years.

though since GW are ignorant probably as soon as possible to get the preteen boys dribbling over the staff again

Laughing Man wrote:Honestly, from those pics, the detail on the metal looks superior...

agreed, mostly due to the metal model not missing most of itself.

why do we even need failcasts claimed extra detail?, your models are like 2-3feet or more away from you on the table or sitting in your carry case, that extra detail ain't worth squat then.

puma713 wrote:Looks horrible to me. Here's the problems that seemed readily apparent, not to mention all the excess resin around the horns and various parts that look like they need a good cleaning.

Ah, I see the "quoting positive reviews and claiming they're evidence for how much GW sucks" game continues.

Well, yeah.

Apart from that it seems to me that what you win on the swings you lose on the roundabouts.

The metal warrior has sharper detail in some areas, worse in others. The resin model has more flash to clean, and some air bubbles and miscasting. Hopefully this kind of failure will be reduced by experience with the process.

The other point is that GW aren't always making the best quality metal models. We can't assume that one example of metal or resin is the best possible.

Once again I refer people to the Infinity metals and the Studio McVey resin and metal figures.

Stella Cadente wrote:we should be used to products not turning out so well with GW by now.

Unfair comment. They have done great things as well some bad things.

Stella Cadente wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Honestly, from those pics, the detail on the metal looks superior...

agreed, mostly due to the metal model not missing most of itself.

why do we even need failcasts claimed extra detail?, your models are like 2-3feet or more away from you on the table or sitting in your carry case, that extra detail ain't worth squat then.

Your confusing casting quality with detail quality... and your last paragraph sorry but by that line of thinking you wouldnt mind the bubbles either.

insaniak wrote:The reflection on the photography makes direct comparison difficult. It would be much better for the sake of comparison if both minis were undercoated in the same neutral colour...

This is exactly what I was going to say...
It would be interesting to see the two minis, identically undercoated, next to each other, not be told which is which and see if we could tell the difference. I think if GW really had faith in their new wander product, they would take up this challenge themselves!!

NAVARRO wrote:

Stella Cadente wrote:we should be used to products not turning out so well with GW by now.

Unfair comment. They have done great things as well some bad things.

Stella Cadente wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Honestly, from those pics, the detail on the metal looks superior...

agreed, mostly due to the metal model not missing most of itself.

why do we even need failcasts claimed extra detail?, your models are like 2-3feet or more away from you on the table or sitting in your carry case, that extra detail ain't worth squat then.

Your confusing casting quality with detail quality... and your last paragraph sorry but by that line of thinking you wouldnt mind the bubbles either.

*sits patiently for these mythical"great things" to be listed"
so you can't have casting quality and detail quality?...whats the point then?
and no I probably wouldn't mind the bubbles, if they are tiny and out of view, but when you have what people have claimed of whole arms/heads/weapons/models missing, THAT is noticeable and a sign of a poor product produced by a poor excuse for a company

I'm not going to put all the list of GW positive achievements here and will just post some examples:
Spacehulk and big plastic kits like trygon, gobbo spider.... etc
You may not like the style but they are quality products.

You can have casting quality and detail quality, a big part of the competitor companies achieved that already... the point is they are diferent factors that can compromise a miniature and you were confusing one for another.
I mind bubbles as much as I mind a miscast arm, both are ruining the figure for me.

RiTides wrote:Despite the carnosaur looking awesome, i just got a metal one off ebay... $66 is too much.

I will give finecast a chance down the line most likely... but want to wait out these miscasts first...

The level of miscasts probably won't get that much better. It's mostly exaggerated right now because they did a massive release of over 100 models over 3 different systems which also happened to be a hugely advertised release. A lot of people buying a lot of models on one day from a range that big is sure to find all the miscasts and shout it to the world.

Kroothawk wrote:

Top left of the upward pointing arrow just to the right of the skull in the necklace you've got a hollow air bubble that looks like flash but it's actually a detail on the metal. (not circled)

Vandil wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Top left of the upward pointing arrow just to the right of the skull in the necklace you've got a hollow air bubble that looks like flash but it's actually a detail on the metal. (not circled)

On the metal model there are nostrils on the skull that is hanging from the necklace. On the resin they are absent.

spaceelf wrote:

Vandil wrote:

Top left of the upward pointing arrow just to the right of the skull in the necklace you've got a hollow air bubble that looks like flash but it's actually a detail on the metal. (not circled)

On the metal model there are nostrils on the skull that is hanging from the necklace. On the resin they are absent.

While I'm disappointed because of all the issues these models are showing, I really want to see what the models that were not previous metal models look like and if they have the same issue. The new Tomb King releases will give us a good idea what to expect in the future. I'm excited about the direction the GW is going and hope we will see contunied development with this process. If you look at the the history of minatures, GW has been a driving force and the quality of most of their products have only improved with time.

When will the emperors champion be able to order?!?!?!

Lokirfellheart wrote:When will the emperors champion be able to order?!?!?!

Uh, now?

Caddery wrote:While I'm disappointed because of all the issues these models are showing, I really want to see what the models that were not previous metal models look like and if they have the same issue. The new Tomb King releases will give us a good idea what to expect in the future. I'm excited about the direction the GW is going and hope we will see contunied development with this process. If you look at the the history of minatures, GW has been a driving force and the quality of most of their products have only improved with time.

The Tomb King Finecast releases may give us an idea of what to expect. The problem is sculpting and development lead times, versus the R&D and implementation lead times of Finecast.. Just because Finecast released this past weekended doesn't mean every single new model released afterwards was sculpted with that in mind. Things like the great bow Ushabti, or generic Haemonculus, could easily be things sculpted a while ago, when metal was still the material in use, and sitting until their release rolled around.

Hmm, in all honesty, I think its really up to luck whether you get a good model or a bad one. Admittedly, it seems as though there are more bad examples than good ones.

I for one was quite content with metal, especially some of the newer kits. I think finecast is only really worth it if the metal model is older and not so well detailed. I'll be sticking to metal as long as possible methinks.

NAVARRO wrote:I'm not going to put all the list of GW positive achievements here and will just post some examples:
Spacehulk and big plastic kits like trygon, gobbo spider.... etc
You may not like the style but they are quality products..

one of which cost £60 and your not allowed to play it anywhere but home if GW is the only option available to you, positive achievement nulified., and plastic trygon and spider wow, now all I need is £40 to buy one of them or 120 other models, choices choices choices.

Stella Cadente wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:I'm not going to put all the list of GW positive achievements here and will just post some examples:
Spacehulk and big plastic kits like trygon, gobbo spider.... etc
You may not like the style but they are quality products..

one of which cost £60 and your not allowed to play it anywhere but home if GW is the only option available to you, positive achievement nulified., and plastic trygon and spider wow, now all I need is £40 to buy one of them or 120 other models, choices choices choices.

You still cannot deny they are 2 great, quality products. In your sig it blatantly says "GW SUCKS" which gives me reason to believe you'll just about slate anything in the defence of GW.

Also, space hulk has a load of great, good looking minis which are welcome in any store...

I picked up Ghaz on the weekend and was expecting disappointment quality wise. However, it wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. To be honest the disappointment was the price. $46.50 CAN up from $42 did not get me a better product to be frank. Mind you the simple fact that it was easy to clean and put together made the 5 odd dollars worth the increase. The metal Ghaz was a nightmare to construct but the resin is far superior.

There was a little bubbling in the face but the bubbles were covered by his face shield so not noticeable. The foot had a small "toe" miscast but a small patch of greenstuff fixed it up nicely. Clean up took some time and greenstuf is highly recommended but over all I was happy with it and glad to get rid of the classic metal monster that was Ghaz. Superglue works fine for filling bubble holes which are there but not very much. Painting it is much easier as well since the resin holds paint like a champ. Overall I'd rate the resin Ghaz an 8/10.

puma713 wrote:Looks horrible to me. Here's the problems that seemed readily apparent, not to mention all the excess resin around the horns and various parts that look like they need a good cleaning.

Look at the belt buckle on ryesin too....it is flawed as well