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For CT fiction, I recommend the Illuminatus! Trilogy. It’s just so bizarre.

   
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 Henry wrote:
 Overread wrote:
I saw an interesting video, I think by James Randi, which talked about mediums. He said one interesting element is that many mediums will read a persons reaction to questions and comments and craft their replies around that.

On this point may I recommend a fiction book called "Attack of the unsinkable rubber ducks" which was written in homage to James Randi and his relentless persuit of conspiracy theorists, frauds, quacks and liars.


On my "to read" list now. Thanks for the tip.
Also, Randi's account of how he unmasked whatshisface the faith healer is both entertaining (because he's a good storyteller) and rage-inducing.
   
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Bran Dawri wrote:
 Henry wrote:
 Overread wrote:
I saw an interesting video, I think by James Randi, which talked about mediums. He said one interesting element is that many mediums will read a persons reaction to questions and comments and craft their replies around that.

On this point may I recommend a fiction book called "Attack of the unsinkable rubber ducks" which was written in homage to James Randi and his relentless persuit of conspiracy theorists, frauds, quacks and liars.


On my "to read" list now. Thanks for the tip.
Also, Randi's account of how he unmasked whatshisface the faith healer is both entertaining (because he's a good storyteller) and rage-inducing.


It's worth reading the other Parlabane books first, though the first two aren't essential.

   
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The nice thing about Randi is that he's fully willing to believe in magic and the supernatural. He's even quite respectful in how he conducts himself in general with the frauds.

However he's a calm, steady and logical approach to it. He doesn't have to froth at the mouth to denounce them, he just slowly and steadily proves that they are fakes. Either by showing how the trick is done and/or showing that they are unable to reproduce it when even really simple controls are put in place.


It makes it all the harder to actually fight against because there's no "fight" in a typical sense.

   
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Well, I guess you could use a colloquial notion of conspiracy theorists as "skeptics" but they aren't really coherent skeptics
the difference is falsifiability: A skeptic can be convinced with enough evidence, a conspiracy theorist can't.
hmm

That is a bit iffy though especially in regards to religious conspiracy theories.
As noted in the article, astrology can be falsified, yet also be accurate, yet is considered Pseudo science.

Proof of god , /existence of god is quite similar.


Astrology is not accurate, astrology is vague.


Astronomy, on the other hand...

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 Overread wrote:
The nice thing about Randi is that he's fully willing to believe in magic and the supernatural. He's even quite respectful in how he conducts himself in general with the frauds.

However he's a calm, steady and logical approach to it. He doesn't have to froth at the mouth to denounce them, he just slowly and steadily proves that they are fakes. Either by showing how the trick is done and/or showing that they are unable to reproduce it when even really simple controls are put in place.


It makes it all the harder to actually fight against because there's no "fight" in a typical sense.


A good example of his approach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZVnaXyu9ug


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 Overread wrote:
I saw an interesting video, I think by James Randi, which talked about mediums. He said one interesting element is that many mediums will read a persons reaction to questions and comments and craft their replies around that. However the key wasn't that they'd have to make perfect guesses. In fact many times they'd get more guesses and information wrong than right. However the person undergoing the reading will often focus on the correct elements far more so and remember them. So walking away they remember the things the medium "got right" whilst forgetting or overlooking the bits they got wrong.


Of course some of this is in the personality of the medium and how they conduct the reading and such. There is indeed quite an art to it, but there's also an element of the person being read either being unaware of the art of cold-reading and/or having some belief before they go into the process.
An interesting rundown, but I find myself wondering how it applies to the many smalls and larges out there.

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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People want to believe in an afterlife. Well, not one where they're burning in agony for eternity, but a lot seem to drool at the thought of it happening to 'others'.

So mediums and such will keep having audiences.

I've never watched a whole episode of Firefly. 
   
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Well, it turns out Osama Bin Laden’s niece is a QAnon believer. And that’s Conspiracy Theory bingo.

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Excuse the fairly nihilistic tone to this comment, but I don't see the point of not being blunt. People don't want to believe that when they die, that they only rot in the ground if buried or are nothing but ash if cremated... I view it as more of a lack of acceptance of death and fearing death than wanting there to be an afterlife/reincarnate.

Imagine the amount of people swirling about up there if there were an afterlife, the world already seems crowded with 7 billion, and a rough estimate is that there has been 107 billion humans so far. Not to mention animals etc.
   
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Of all the reasons not to believe in an afterlife, the potentially-limited space in a utopia that exists beyond physics and that is (usually) only populated by select believers of a particular deity/pantheon seems a pretty generous one to highlight
   
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endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Imagine the amount of people swirling about up there if there were an afterlife, the world already seems crowded with 7 billion, and a rough estimate is that there has been 107 billion humans so far. Not to mention animals etc.


Also, consider how many of those people died as babies/children.

You spend eternity surrounded by screaming infants.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Well, it turns out Osama Bin Laden’s niece is a QAnon believer. And that’s Conspiracy Theory bingo.


I had to google this. It's so bizarre. I found a photo of her in a <politics> hat. I have no words.

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 Matt Swain wrote:
People want to believe in an afterlife. Well, not one where they're burning in agony for eternity, but a lot seem to drool at the thought of it happening to 'others'.

So mediums and such will keep having audiences.


As the old joke goes, anyone can speak with the dead. It's getting them to respond that's the problem.
   
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Bran Dawri wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:
People want to believe in an afterlife. Well, not one where they're burning in agony for eternity, but a lot seem to drool at the thought of it happening to 'others'.

So mediums and such will keep having audiences.


As the old joke goes, anyone can speak with the dead. It's getting them to respond that's the problem.


Having seen plenty of movies about Ouija boards, I know for a fact it is very easy to get them to respond, they're just some stone cold bastards

   
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Well it wouldn't be utopia. There is more than one religion that says you'll go to hell if you don't follow it, so we can safely assume everyone goes to hell. If hell has finite dimensions then we can assume it has been rendered quite hot by the addition of souls of the dammed plus thermodynamics. It has probably suffered a heat death at this point, explaining why people are more secular nowadays as compared to the middle ages when hell had yet to suffer such a fate.

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Excuse the fairly nihilistic tone to this comment, but I don't see the point of not being blunt. People don't want to believe that when they die, that they only rot in the ground if buried or are nothing but ash if cremated... I view it as more of a lack of acceptance of death and fearing death than wanting there to be an afterlife/reincarnate.

Imagine the amount of people swirling about up there if there were an afterlife, the world already seems crowded with 7 billion, and a rough estimate is that there has been 107 billion humans so far. Not to mention animals etc.


I always thought that it was essentially a tonne of separate pocket dimensions. Like the phrase, your own personal hell being linked to each person having their own little realm of torment. But being more pleasant, less torture. (I guess unless you end up in heaven and just so happen to have a fetish for that sort of thing.)

Alternatively after an eternity everyone just goes insane and loses all identity, becoming the amorphous wisps of cloud you always see in renditions of heaven.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well it wouldn't be utopia. There is more than one religion that says you'll go to hell if you don't follow it, so we can safely assume everyone goes to hell. If hell has finite dimensions then we can assume it has been rendered quite hot by the addition of souls of the dammed plus thermodynamics. It has probably suffered a heat death at this point, explaining why people are more secular nowadays as compared to the middle ages when hell had yet to suffer such a fate.


LoL, well now you've got to consider- some religions heavens would be considered hell by others. Anyone who's dated can imagine that getting 72 virgins fighting over you isn't going to be very pleasant. Getting drunk, fighting and probably dying everyday, then being reborn to do it again sounds awful to many people. Eternal peace and rest is bloody boring. Standing vigil over the living until they forget you.... will you come away horribly depressed, or hating them? For many, even the idea of being reborn as something else is horrific- 'The Fly' is a horror movie about reincarnation. Most afterlives will probably have folks in them thinking it's heaven, and folks in them thinking it's hell.

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 Gitzbitah wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well it wouldn't be utopia. There is more than one religion that says you'll go to hell if you don't follow it, so we can safely assume everyone goes to hell. If hell has finite dimensions then we can assume it has been rendered quite hot by the addition of souls of the dammed plus thermodynamics. It has probably suffered a heat death at this point, explaining why people are more secular nowadays as compared to the middle ages when hell had yet to suffer such a fate.


LoL, well now you've got to consider- some religions heavens would be considered hell by others. Anyone who's dated can imagine that getting 72 virgins fighting over you isn't going to be very pleasant. Getting drunk, fighting and probably dying everyday, then being reborn to do it again sounds awful to many people. Eternal peace and rest is bloody boring. Standing vigil over the living until they forget you.... will you come away horribly depressed, or hating them? For many, even the idea of being reborn as something else is horrific- 'The Fly' is a horror movie about reincarnation. Most afterlives will probably have folks in them thinking it's heaven, and folks in them thinking it's hell.


i'd like to point out, that christians , jews and moslems still talk about the same god. we just don^t like each others way of worship, or did not, or still don't....

So technically, for all of these you'd have the same afterlife?


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 Henry wrote:
If it wasn't for forum rule #1 we could apply that list to a bunch of topics that people hold dear. But somehow it's ok to point at conspiracy theorists and ask why do they believe crazy things, as though they are an exception.


Your drifting heavily into discussing religion and it is frowned upon in civilised society, as well as this forum, to associate the beliefs of conspiracy theorists and cultists with the religious.
   
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Indeed.

We’ve walked that fine line quite well so far, so please let’s settle it down a bit.

Right. The next Conspiracy Theory?

Mud Fossil University. I’m not going to link, but they’ve a YouTube channel. Apparently, rock formations and striations are the remains of giant creatures.....

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeed.

We’ve walked that fine line quite well so far, so please let’s settle it down a bit.

Right. The next Conspiracy Theory?

Mud Fossil University. I’m not going to link, but they’ve a YouTube channel. Apparently, rock formations and striations are the remains of giant creatures.....


Believable when you look at some formations. If you like to anthropomorphise Igneus rocks and the like.

5th Elephant springs to mind as well.
   
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Oh this guy is crazy.

Clearly manmade structure in Turkey? Oh yeah. Totes a Dragon’s spine (like the skellington in A New Hope)

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As to a relative newcomer to the CT stage, some people are claiming that the covid is a 'plandemic' meant to force the world to go to a cashless society.

I find this just a little hard to swallow but not impossible, history proves the rich and powerful do what they want with no regard for the suffering of the masses.

Here's one look at how a cashless society would eliminate privacy and open the door to almost unlimited government and corporate control of your life.

https://www.atmia.com/news/heres-what-no-cash-actually-means/13542/

So while I'm neutral on the idea covid was created to impose a cashless society, i'm fairly sure that some people would be willing to use it to accelerate plans for one.

The cashless society thing hits me personally as I've had a taste of what those unable or unwilling to assimilate into a cashless collective would suffer and i didn't like it at all.

I can remember the good old days before paypal, and i used ebay regularly. Then this paypal thing got started and suddenly ebay was nagging us to go to paypal. After several months there were still some holdouts, motivated possibly just by the feeling of being tired of opening wide and saying "Ahhh" for whatever new thing big biz wanted to stick in our mouths.

I refused to go paypal just on that principle, I'm tired of bigbiz essentially pushing, showing and nagging it'sSHINY NEW THING (C) on us.

Ebay essentially made it very difficult to not uyse paypal, and encoriaged stores to go paypal only.

I finally quit using ebay and went to amazon. My refusal to use paypal (which was strengthened by recent revelations about its creator) has made it nearly impossible to buy or sell stuff on 40k buying and selling pages, and i've been abused and harassed for not using it.

So yeah, i know how that cashless society could be, just imagine the 'paypal punch" to the face i get every time i want to get something and see the 'paypal only' sign waiting for me.





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 Mr. Burning wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeed.

We’ve walked that fine line quite well so far, so please let’s settle it down a bit.

Right. The next Conspiracy Theory?

Mud Fossil University. I’m not going to link, but they’ve a YouTube channel. Apparently, rock formations and striations are the remains of giant creatures.....


Believable when you look at some formations. If you like to anthropomorphise Igneus rocks and the like.

5th Elephant springs to mind as well.


Okay, let's go the next step. Clouds are actually the emissions of fossil fuel powered machines, and the reason they so often look like animals is because that's what fuel was made of when it was alive. Thus clouds are actually the ghosts of ancient animals!


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 Gitzbitah wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well it wouldn't be utopia. There is more than one religion that says you'll go to hell if you don't follow it, so we can safely assume everyone goes to hell. If hell has finite dimensions then we can assume it has been rendered quite hot by the addition of souls of the dammed plus thermodynamics. It has probably suffered a heat death at this point, explaining why people are more secular nowadays as compared to the middle ages when hell had yet to suffer such a fate.


LoL, well now you've got to consider- some religions heavens would be considered hell by others. Anyone who's dated can imagine that getting 72 virgins fighting over you isn't going to be very pleasant. Getting drunk, fighting and probably dying everyday, then being reborn to do it again sounds awful to many people. Eternal peace and rest is bloody boring. Standing vigil over the living until they forget you.... will you come away horribly depressed, or hating them? For many, even the idea of being reborn as something else is horrific- 'The Fly' is a horror movie about reincarnation. Most afterlives will probably have folks in them thinking it's heaven, and folks in them thinking it's hell.


For some reason the last sentence made me think of this lovely little animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV5w262XvCU

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 Matt Swain wrote:


So while I'm neutral on the idea covid was created to impose a cashless society, i'm fairly sure that some people would be willing to use it to accelerate plans for one.


Thats what I think. COVID is a naturally occuring disease that people have simply opportunistically used to advance certain agendas. Thats not a CT, its just evil being evil. I don't think a cashless society conspiracy is involved, but there are plenty of other brazen attempts to limit other things.

There are enough real shady things being done without needing to worry about some made up cashless conspiracy.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:


So while I'm neutral on the idea covid was created to impose a cashless society, i'm fairly sure that some people would be willing to use it to accelerate plans for one.


Thats what I think. COVID is a naturally occuring disease that people have simply opportunistically used to advance certain agendas. Thats not a CT, its just evil being evil. I don't think a cashless society conspiracy is involved, but there are plenty of other brazen attempts to limit other things.

There are enough real shady things being done without needing to worry about some made up cashless conspiracy.


TBH i am at least 50% sure the cashless society bit isn't a theory but a real conspiracy.

I've never watched a whole episode of Firefly. 
   
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 Matt Swain wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:


So while I'm neutral on the idea covid was created to impose a cashless society, i'm fairly sure that some people would be willing to use it to accelerate plans for one.


Thats what I think. COVID is a naturally occuring disease that people have simply opportunistically used to advance certain agendas. Thats not a CT, its just evil being evil. I don't think a cashless society conspiracy is involved, but there are plenty of other brazen attempts to limit other things.

There are enough real shady things being done without needing to worry about some made up cashless conspiracy.


TBH i am at least 50% sure the cashless society bit isn't a theory but a real conspiracy.


Is this related to China stepping the Yuan down as it's primary currency for a bitcoin of some variety? (goodness knows if that will go forward proper)
   
 
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