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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/09/19 05:56:09
Subject: Re:[Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Second Story Man
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"Rumours"
- Basilea gets new Cavalry in plastic
- CoK25 being the last one before 4th Edition
- Alessio Cavatore will work/help on 4th rules
- KoW 4th will be translated, other games come first as "test" to make sure to avoid problems from the past
Planned languages are French, German, Spanish and maybe Italien and/or Polish
- trying to have balance between changes to attract new players without upset existing players
- comment on Elves being re-worked was "ask again this time next year"
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/09/20 22:45:55
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It missed off "Vanguard getting more attention".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/05 18:14:29
Subject: Re:[Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Deadly Tomb Guard
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SU-152 wrote:How big are the snake demons?
I would like to use them as proxies. They seem big enough but I want to make sure... Also, how big is that base they use?
please note I am slightly biased as I am a retailer of Mantic products. The below is based on 20+ years of hobbying experience.
Having just received these in and built a few Nagaari:
1. The tails overhang a chariot base by a good centimeter. These are sized as if they were trying to go for something that could slot as dragon ogres or similar sized large monster cav.
2. Arm joinery is less than adequate. Two of the nagaari arm sets I tried had gaps between the offhand arm and the body.
3. the Nagaari are built off of 1 body, with no choice of different torso.
4. From what customers and fellow hobbyists have said, the berserkers would fit better on 50mm bases than the native 40mm bases supplied.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/05 19:55:16
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Foxy Wildborne
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Thanks for the honest review!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/07 15:44:08
Subject: Re:[Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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McDougall Designs wrote:4. From what customers and fellow hobbyists have said, the berserkers would fit better on 50mm bases than the native 40mm bases supplied.
*cough* Moloch replacements *cough*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/08 02:21:10
Subject: Re:[Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Deadly Tomb Guard
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Boss Salvage wrote: McDougall Designs wrote:4. From what customers and fellow hobbyists have said, the berserkers would fit better on 50mm bases than the native 40mm bases supplied.
*cough* Moloch replacements *cough*
I've always been a fan of conceptualizing new waves of abyssal with the different circles of the pit, and so on. or just different types/tribes/factions than one homogenous imp-esque race.
Though you are not wrong. They will work well as that, or slightly bigger.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/08 07:43:36
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Foxy Wildborne
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Proxying a unit with another legal unit from the same faction kinda rude tho.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/08 15:43:49
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Second Story Man
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the weapons of the Nagaari fit the Berserker and you get 2 additional one per snake
Its an easy conversion to have Berserker with 2 weapons and Molochs with two-handed weapons from the same kit
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/08 18:57:43
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Deadly Tomb Guard
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lord_blackfang wrote:Proxying a unit with another legal unit from the same faction kinda rude tho.
kodos wrote:the weapons of the Nagaari fit the Berserker and you get 2 additional one per snake
Its an easy conversion to have Berserker with 2 weapons and Molochs with two-handed weapons from the same kit
lord_blackfang wrote:Proxying a unit with another legal unit from the same faction kinda rude tho.
I agree with Lord_blackfang. That could be confusing. Maybe changing the heads or further sculpting.
In regards to the extra two handers from the Nagaari: Yes, you get them, but fitting them on the berserkers may require pinning and gap filling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/08 20:30:38
Subject: Re:[Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Second Story Man
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the joints need to be flattened and/or filled with greenstuff, as the Berserker ones are slightly curved but it works
they also fit the arms from Ogres and Nightmares as well as the heads from Nightmares
people already posting conversions:
and as I have them here, just tried a 40mm base and it fits just fine (I also replaced the weapons and the head)
Nagarris also fits a 75x75mm and the Berserker weapons if someone wants an alternative Fiend model
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/09 02:13:19
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Deadly Tomb Guard
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That Nagaari Is not fitting. The tail hangs off.
Yes, the leg dimensions fit in a 40mmx40mm. but if all the extremities don't ranking up for units requires extra work.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/09 17:28:06
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Brigadier General
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McDougall Designs wrote:That Nagaari Is not fitting. The tail hangs off.
Yes, the leg dimensions fit in a 40mmx40mm. but if all the extremities don't ranking up for units requires extra work.
Looks like as long as it was slightly elevated, the tail would line up with the empty space on the base next to it or behind it. Not ideal and you still have the possibility of interfering with other units, but in practice it should work fine.
This sort of positioning a unit so that it overhangs into available space on the unit next to it may seem convoluted, but it's long been necessary for those playing WHFB and other rank and flank units. It'd be better if it wasn't that way, but probably best to just expect/accept it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/09 21:24:30
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Deadly Tomb Guard
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Eilif wrote: McDougall Designs wrote:That Nagaari Is not fitting. The tail hangs off.
Yes, the leg dimensions fit in a 40mmx40mm. but if all the extremities don't ranking up for units requires extra work.
Looks like as long as it was slightly elevated, the tail would line up with the empty space on the base next to it or behind it. Not ideal and you still have the possibility of interfering with other units, but in practice it should work fine.
This sort of positioning a unit so that it overhangs into available space on the unit next to it may seem convoluted, but it's long been necessary for those playing WHFB and other rank and flank units. It'd be better if it wasn't that way, but probably best to just expect/accept it.
That sounds like complacency, rather than expecting manufacturers to learn from their previous products and make better miniatures.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/10 02:37:54
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Brigadier General
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McDougall Designs wrote: Eilif wrote: McDougall Designs wrote:That Nagaari Is not fitting. The tail hangs off.
Yes, the leg dimensions fit in a 40mmx40mm. but if all the extremities don't ranking up for units requires extra work.
Looks like as long as it was slightly elevated, the tail would line up with the empty space on the base next to it or behind it. Not ideal and you still have the possibility of interfering with other units, but in practice it should work fine.
This sort of positioning a unit so that it overhangs into available space on the unit next to it may seem convoluted, but it's long been necessary for those playing WHFB and other rank and flank units. It'd be better if it wasn't that way, but probably best to just expect/accept it.
That sounds like complacency, rather than expecting manufacturers to learn from their previous products and make better miniatures.
You're not wrong. But realistic expectations make for less disappointment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/10/10 19:15:32
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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My comment was more at Mantic or commentary on the development process, that perhaps the new 'Zerkers were intended to be Molochs but a decision was made to add a new unit (and thus sell more) rather than replace an existing one (that could continue to be sold in addition). This is total conjecture based on what GW did for WHFB during 8E (i.e. when many, many players already had established armies and so factions more or less only received 1 new hero and 1 new monstrous cav unit when they were revisited). Frankly, I would love to see the current Molochs replaced with new plastic rotund demons to provide visual counterpoint to the wiry 'Zerkers. But that costs money that could go to refreshing other lines and truly dire kits (like all those ancient cavalry!)
FWIW, I think the 'counts as' issue is if an Abyssal army used 'Zerkers for both Molochs and 'Zerkers. And that point the visual continuity is broken. Using them for Molochs but not 'Zerkers at the same time is just good hobby sense and shouldn't cause confusion in an actual game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/27 19:30:22
Subject: Re:[Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Foxy Wildborne
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/01 13:41:24
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Pious Warrior Priest
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New video up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2nJzpOoeJ8
It teases a whole bunch of new games for 2025:
- Kings of War: Champions
- Dreadball All-Stars
- Assassin's Creed (!)
- Epic Warpath
- More Halo Flashpoint
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/01 14:21:50
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Foxy Wildborne
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Big GW roadmap energy on that one
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/01 17:39:52
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Central Valley, California
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what is Kings of War Champions, anyone know yet? Automatically Appended Next Post:
At least it was tangible and not making fun of other competitors models.
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Rolling 1's for five decades.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/01 20:46:32
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dreadball game inbound? Hoping it’s a return to the team game
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/02 00:37:10
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Been Around the Block
Australia
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What about the plastic Rebs for Firefight?
I thought they coming early 2025.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/12 00:48:28
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Prospector with Steamdrill
New England/cyberspace
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"Pannithor is full of larger than life characters that can sometimes get a little lost on the battlefield because the regiments, war engines and monsters get all the limelight
Champions aims to change that by focusing down on the key battles between Champions (aka heroes) and their handpicked troops. It tells the story of these heroes and their rise to prominence within Pannithor. Champions still has the tactical rank and flank gameplay and awesome hard plastic minis you love from Kings of War, but it’s been designed to play faster and take up less table space."
Sounds like a new take on a KoW Skirmish game. Vanguard is on MyMiniFactory now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/12 09:43:22
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Foxy Wildborne
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Sounds like KoW Path to Glory
It's weird because KoW already has a small points format mode for the rank and flank game, and a regular skirmish side game. I initially figured this would be an Underworlds clone, but it sounds like a second small points format mode for the main game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/12 16:41:14
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Scouting Shadow Warrior
NW UK
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Yep, this just sounds like Ambush but with character units.
Vanguard was/is so good though. I feel that WarCry coming out (or getting announced) at around the same time just completely scuttled it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/13 22:13:42
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Vanguard was awesome. As a Confrontation player it really scratched that itch.
Ronnie was interviewed on Jordan Sorcery a while back and he brought up Vanguard but spoke about it very much in the past tense with no indication it would have a future. I brought this up in a Facebook page and was informed from someone at Mantic that more would be incoming for the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/13 23:27:47
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Martial Arts SAS
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Well, a couple of months ago Mantic started releasing the Vanguard warbands on their monthly Vault STL subscription, and recently followed that up with a big Vanguard 'campaign' on MyMiniFactory where you can get most of the warbands, the rules, the objectives and Terrain Crate terrain, all in a digital format. They have previously done the same for Deadzone and Armada.
It remains to be seen if this is where the smaller Mantic games go to die, or if this is a way of keeping those games around and alive until a new edition shows up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/01/14 21:36:43
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Prospector with Steamdrill
New England/cyberspace
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I’d be surprised if Deadzone was dead given Halo just coming out and the box mentions Deadzone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/02/07 03:17:38
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Prospector with Steamdrill
New England/cyberspace
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The "Mantic Points" miniatures are changing to in-house 3D printed models. Most if not all of the previous range is metal.
https://www.manticgames.com/news/begin-the-celebrations-mantic-points-preview/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/02/07 12:51:18
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Regular Dakkanaut
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When March rolls around I have a very, very large stack of Mantic points to spend. I shall look forward to that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2025/02/07 16:12:39
Subject: [Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors
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Prospector with Steamdrill
New England/cyberspace
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I picked up a number of these over the years. I too have a small collection of Mantic Points… hopefully at least one new Dwarf, one new Abyssal Dwarf and one new Forgefather.
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