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 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Just had a note from my FLGS (UK). GW have delayed their orders that they were supposed to have received this week. Owner has had this before whereby they sell more at Pre-Order on the GW Web site than they accounted for, so to ensure they can send those orders out, they delay / cancel orders placed by FLGS.

Seems this is what's happened in the UK.


Typical...

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 zedmeister wrote:
 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Just had a note from my FLGS (UK). GW have delayed their orders that they were supposed to have received this week. Owner has had this before whereby they sell more at Pre-Order on the GW Web site than they accounted for, so to ensure they can send those orders out, they delay / cancel orders placed by FLGS.

Seems this is what's happened in the UK.


Typical...


Just got a shipping confirmation from Element Games for a Warmaster plus maniple box, so there's some stock out there at least.
   
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My FLGS says their allocation has been shipped, with the usual post-Brexit caveat that UPS might just dump it in the ocean if they don't feel like going through the customs process.

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Loyalist book namedropping new titans



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For my wild guess I'll say that Base mutations are ones that must be modelled, like extra limbs, while Additional mutations are like regular upgrades like ammo types, repair bonuses and so on.

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Very cool. Hopefully the latter drop with the Traitor book (and soon!).

Also pleased to see after the Defence of Ryza labelled Magna a "minor Legio" that they are again, thanks to a copy and paste, described as a Primus-tier Legio in the Loyalist Legions book.

LL book is a worthy purchase, really looking forward to the Traitor iteration now.

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Ok so the +1 long range of Warmaster Plasma Blastgun is not a typo, talking about overpowered weapon...

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Hmm. Looking at those excerpts…
Jackal is probably a scout type. Like the Warhound but lighter and more feral, if you assume the name is significant like that.
Imperator is not new and probably unmistakable.
Nemesis, though, that’s slightly confusing in that context: Does that mean just the Warbringer, or a new class just called Nemesis? Or even a subclass that they expect to be generally addressed, like scout or battle, that describes specific characteristics?

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Google says the Jackal is just a particular Warhound loadout sadly....

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Google says the Jackal is just a particular Warhound loadout sadly....


Jackal, Wolf & Mastiff are / were sub-types of Warhounds in the original AT.
   
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lord_blackfang wrote:Loyalist book namedropping new titans

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That typo though. Ouch.

Given that this is a compilation book with summary tables and whatnot, I'm not looking forward to the typical Forgeworld standard of proofreading.

But I'm definitely looking forward to having more than a paragraph of background per Titan Legion.

I just hope the book fixes the biggest and most annoying imbalance in AT since launch: the ratio of commas to full stops in fluff text.

Mr_Rose wrote:Hmm. Looking at those excerpts…
Jackal is probably a scout type. Like the Warhound but lighter and more feral, if you assume the name is significant like that.
Imperator is not new and probably unmistakable.
Nemesis, though, that’s slightly confusing in that context: Does that mean just the Warbringer, or a new class just called Nemesis? Or even a subclass that they expect to be generally addressed, like scout or battle, that describes specific characteristics?


I hope Jackal is the name of an actual smaller type. It's a good name for a mini-hound. Well, better than Fido, anyway.

Someone in a pub (or possibly Goonhammer) told me 'Nemesis' refers to a Titan that carries a weapon usually intended for the class above it. So the Warbringer is a Nemesis Titan because it's a Reaver chassis that lugs around a Warlord-sized weapon. Not sure if that's accurate, though.
   
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I’ve head that before too, in which case I’m looking forward to my Nemesis Warlord with top-deck Suzerain class plasma cannon.
Also, the non-Nemesis Warbringer, assuming such a thing is likely.

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Nemesis, Death Bringer, Eclipse & Nightgaunt were Warlord sub-types
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beast_gts wrote:
Nemesis, Death Bringer, Eclipse & Nightgaunt were Warlord sub-types


That's encouraging, because if New Century AT has tweaked the term 'Nemesis' to mean something different to the old days--so far, an entirely new Titan (the Warbringer)--it may also use 'Jackal' to refer to an entirely new Titan as well. The way the excerpt is worded certainly suggests it: 'Warhound type AND Jackal type'.

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Forget where I read it but one of the Warhound variants has stronger shields. Could be the Jackal.

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SamusDrake wrote:
Forget where I read it but one of the Warhound variants has stronger shields. Could be the Jackal.


From Lexicanum:

The Wolf Class Titan configurations always operate in packs of two, specializing in finding and hunting down enemy forces.
The Mastiff Class Titan pattern of Warhounds are not as nimble or as well-protected as the Wolf, being equipped and configured to act as solitary vanguards. Mastiffs specialize in flanking enemy positions to sow confusion with well-planned hit-and-run attacks.
The Jackal Class Titan pattern of Warhounds are similar to the Mastiff, being used in the same role but having heavier Void Shields so that it may better engage foes at a closer range. Because of this the favored weapons of Jackal Princeps are the Inferno Gun and Vulcan Mega-bolter.


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Looking at those pre-built AT I Warlords, seems like the Nemesis is actually what we’d recognise as the “standard” warlord today, with the other classes trading firepower and protection for speed and manoeuvrability. Almost to the point of making Reavers and Warhounds redundant, in fact.

So… they only had one model kit back when AT first came out, didn’t they?

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
So… they only had one model kit back when AT first came out, didn’t they?

There were six plastic Warlords in the box. Metal Reaver wasn't far behind, then the Warhound IIRC.
   
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This bodes well for Corrupted legios. I'm looking forward to going down that rabbit hole of modeling.
   
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The original Nemisis was a more well armed Warlord Variant because they only had one model. Over the next few decades (Christ, I'm old!), the fluff has been re-written so many times that "Nemisis" can now mean the original Warlord variant, a separate chassis somewhere between an Warlord and an Emperor (mentioned in one of the black books i think), or any Titan with oversized weapons geared towards killing other Titans (the Warbringer Nemisis) or maybe dedicated anti-Titan weapons (the Nemesis quake cannon). Though I think by this point, any fluff for AT has been adapted by so many people you just have to roll with it!

I don't know how big the Warbringers back cannons are compared to the Warlord arm versions, but that might be an indication of the size that a Nemisis chassis could be. If it is such a thing.
   
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Ok so the +1 long range of Warmaster Plasma Blastgun is not a typo, talking about overpowered weapon...


A lot of the warmaster weapons are different actually. Point costs, number of shots, range all varies from the warhound or reaver versions.

Grampus wrote:
I don't know how big the Warbringers back cannons are compared to the Warlord arm versions, but that might be an indication of the size that a Nemisis chassis could be. If it is such a thing.


Near identical in size. Mounting point and ammo feeds are different, otherwise the same.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Google says the Jackal is just a particular Warhound loadout sadly....


Jackal, Wolf & Mastiff are / were sub-types of Warhounds in the original AT.


The Nemesis class used to be a sub-class of Warlord, not it’s a distinct class unto itself.

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Warmaster Variant shoulder weapons:
Apocalypse Missile Array: Front arc, -2 Dice vs Reaver
Plasma Blastgun: +1 acc at long, +10 points vs warhound
Turbolaser Destructor- +10 points vs Warhound. Oddly, Warmaster and Warhound are 16"/32" short and long, while the Turbolaser Destructors on the reaver and Warlord are 18"/32"
Vulcan Megabolter: +10 points vs Warhound
Inferno Gun: +5 points vs Warhound
Melta Cannon: 8"/16" vs 12"/24", -1S, -5 points ve Reaver
   
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 Crablezworth wrote:
A lot of battlefield assets no longer exist apparently.


Nah, the new text replaces a bunch of older stratagems with the same name as they are upgraded, but doesn't preclude using others. Also says there'll be more in future expansions, because of course there will. There's a good post about it on B&C by a fella who works with the law: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369675-loyalist-legions-book/?p=5690005

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Google says the Jackal is just a particular Warhound loadout sadly....


Jackal, Wolf & Mastiff are / were sub-types of Warhounds in the original AT.


The Nemesis class used to be a sub-class of Warlord, not it’s a distinct class unto itself.


Nemesis is still a subclass. We have only seen a Nemesis Warbringer though. Nothing about the normal Warbringer yet. We havent seen anything about the Nemesis Warlords that are both referred to as upgunned warlords and small emperors in various points, but that description would actually fit the Warmaster quite well. Anyone sees a Warmaster deployed, and oh its just a variant on the Warlord, with a different pattern. Not an entirely separate class of titans that the Mechanicum has been keeping in their back pocket for dire emergencies. Possibly the Apocalypse titan is also based on the frame of the Warmaster, just with a different weapons loadout.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Anyone sees a Warmaster deployed, and oh its just a variant on the Warlord, with a different pattern. Not an entirely separate class of titans that the Mechanicum has been keeping in their back pocket for dire emergencies.


I mean, sure, in the same way someone seeing an Abrams might think it's a funny looking Sherman.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Anyone sees a Warmaster deployed, and oh its just a variant on the Warlord, with a different pattern. Not an entirely separate class of titans that the Mechanicum has been keeping in their back pocket for dire emergencies.


I mean, sure, in the same way someone seeing an Abrams might think it's a funny looking Sherman.



Joe Guardsman or Sammy Astartes are likely more concerned with whether the Titan is helping them exterminate xenos or bring a world into compliance than whether or not its an "Anvillis pattern Nemesis warlord" or some secret titan type. Take a Lucius and a Mars warlord. They are built on the same basic frame and have comparable loadouts, but look far more distinct than Bismarck vs Iowa
   
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No I'm pretty sure even in your assumed future where soldiers somehow don't pay attention to their own hardware despite worshipping it like a literal god they still will put more weight in one being 25% taller than in having curvier armour plates.

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Either way it doesn't bother me. Half of the FW 30k range consists of "new" units. 10,000 years of slow decline and bad record keeping covers a lot.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
No I'm pretty sure even in your assumed future where soldiers somehow don't pay attention to their own hardware despite worshipping it like a literal god they still will put more weight in one being 25% taller than in having curvier armour plates.


Depends on the troops. Your average Imperial Guardsman will quite likely never see a single titan in his life. And if he does, there's a good chance that he'll devolve into the same syndrome that afflicted Allied troops in Western Europe, where every German tank was a Tiger, and every German gun was an 88.

On the other hand, those that have seen Titans more than once or twice can probably tell them apart quite easily.
   
 
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