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 Albertorius wrote:

 xttz wrote:
The good news is that boxes like this inevitably end up having the rulebooks available very cheaply in the second-hand market, as people break up the boxes to max out certain models.

Yeah, the problem is the same as with any edition: unlearning stuff, relearning stuff. I ain't got time for that anymore, TBH, for a game I might play every other month, at the very best.

Plus, as said above, a new run through the codex carousel.

If youre in a happy established group then simply don't - decide to continue with current rules.

Sadly that usually only works until someone wants to use the new models...

The dread looks pretty nice.

Terminators look a bit weird, but it is pretty good take on the concept. I also like how they have a lot of interesting structure, like the knee joints.

They're hella big though, more like centurion-sized (perhaps one could use them as such.) And whilst it has always been a tad questionable how the marine fits inside a terminator armour, these take the issue on completely another level.

Looks to me like the arms of the Marine are encased in the chest area?

Doesn't seem any worse than old Indomitus

I'm surprised it has these layout issues since it's essentially a version of 7th edition that had already been refined in Heresy first edition. Sadly sloppy for such expensive books.

It’d be less of an issue if it had a contents and glossary/index section.

That Legion Praetor is gigantic and will become very popular with Iron Warriors players no doubt.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looks to me like the arms of the Marine are encased in the chest area?

And the legs are encased where?

In the foot locker aboard ship.

Duh.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In the foot locker aboard ship.

Duh.

I feel like there's a pun in there somewhere but it has me stumped

They could either hark back to original rogue trader lore where the original dreadnought pilots were encased in foetal position or they’re wounded subjects not too far gone for dreadnought internment but perfect for saturnine armour internment

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In the foot locker aboard ship.

Duh.

I feel like there's a pun in there somewhere but it has me stumped

I feel a bit of a heel now.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In the foot locker aboard ship.

Duh.

I feel like there's a pun in there somewhere but it has me stumped

I feel a bit of a heel now.

That’d be the phantom limb pain; walk it off.

I think this joke is on its last legs now.

And 2 new bits of nonsense on Horus Hearsay

This release looks awesome, but for me, I really wish I could be there when the anti-Valrak crowd sees this. That is a lot of crow to eat.

 Albertorius wrote:

Yeah, the problem is the same as with any edition: unlearning stuff, relearning stuff. I ain't got time for that anymore, TBH, for a game I might play every other month, at the very best.

Plus, as said above, a new run through the codex carousel.

100% agreement on learning stuff when you rarely play. I only get to play at AdeptiCon as I haven't found people near me that I want to spend time with... anyway. My buddy from a different state and I read the rule and army books to each other on the drive to Chicago each year. It's the only way that works for us. I really hope the HH3 rules are just a 2.5 adjustment. Make Fliers Reasonable Again, etc.

That said, they don't really do Codex carousels in HH. There is a loyalist book, Traitor book, Admech book, and army doods. However, I don't want to drop another $60 for each of these. For the 2nd time in 3 years.

A shame that it seems memelore on "saturnine terminators" seems to have become canon. Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

Honestly, can't wait to see the turret release on it's own, it's the only part i'm interested in. (Me, a stormwing player: "Waiter, oh waiter! more static fortifications please!")

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
A shame that it seems memelore on "saturnine terminators" seems to have become canon. Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

what was the meme?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
A shame that it seems memelore on "saturnine terminators" seems to have become canon. Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

It's almost as though all lore is just made up!

Only difference is that style of armour is now confirmed to be Saturnine pattern, whereas previously it was at best ambiguous.

I like most of what I see - and I'm really happy to finally see GW's take on updating the old M&M Terminator, finally calling it "Saturnine" and getting me to purchase...quite a few of them!

My main concern here is that all these new toys occupy their own distinct niche in terms of tactical applications and that.

What is that Saturnine Terminators offer that Cataphractii (4++) and Tartaros (better mobility) don’t. The same for the Dreadnought, comparing against three stablemates.

 Overread wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
A shame that it seems memelore on "saturnine terminators" seems to have become canon. Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

what was the meme?

"Saturnine" Terminator armour being that style.

It's a pattern of armour that was mentioned in Like 2 books but never had any official depiction of any kind, not even a description. The community at some point saw that those original Terminator miniatures and decided to start claiming they were "Saturnine" despite that never having been even hinted at officially, and it has since been got repeated over and over as a if were a fact regardless. Now it actually is "Saturnine" because of that incorrect lore having been parroted as fact so often.

 xttz wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
A shame that it seems memelore on "saturnine terminators" seems to have become canon. Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

It's almost as though all lore is just made up!

Of course it is. That doesn't change that it's a bit of a shame when the lore misinformation wins out like this.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
My main concern here is that all these new toys occupy their own distinct niche in terms of tactical applications and that.

What is that Saturnine Terminators offer that Cataphractii (4++) and Tartaros (better mobility) don’t. The same for the Dreadnought, comparing against three stablemates.

They do the same things but better. - For People to buy them.

 xttz wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
A shame that it seems memelore on "saturnine terminators" seems to have become canon. Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

It's almost as though all lore is just made up!

All lore is made up. -Drax the Inquisitor.

I really like the Dreadnought, but I have always had a soft spot for Dreads. The terminators... I dunno. I'm really hoping my Imperial Fists keep their +1 to hit with bolters and autos. It's the crutch that keeps me in games!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
And 2 new bits of nonsense on Horus Hearsay

There's loads of extra nonsense on their now, there's a bunch of commentary on the leaked pics. My favourite being that it's clearly a photoshop as they've added text warning about the box containing small parts

"“Small parts?” Really? Have you seen that dreadnought? Those are LARGE parts."

They also called photographer anything between 4-11 old as there was no photo on the insides and shoddy camera work.