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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/14 15:57:42
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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True enough I guess.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/15 14:58:29
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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The next Bl collectors edition is revealed...
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Exclusive-Products/Collectors-Editions/The-Bloody-Handed.html
a WFB one this time.. looks lkike Hellebron gets some spotlight time then.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/17 12:34:46
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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17th of September, 2010
Black Library Seminars @ UK Games Day
On top of our spectacular Games Day line-up, we’re delighted to announce that there will be two – count ’em, two! – Black Library seminars on the day, which is something that hasn’t been available for years. This is an excellent insight into the workings of the Black Library and a chance to listen to editors, artists and authors. The details are as follows:
Seminar One – The Art of Black Library
With Neil Roberts and Jon Sullivan
11.00 in the West Side Restaurant (by the Black Library Digital stand)
Seminar Two – Writing for Black Library
With Christian Dunn, Steve Lyons and Gav Thorpe
14.00 in the West Side Restaurant (by the Black Library Digital stand)
Here’s the important bit: tickets will be distributed from the entrance to the West Side Restaurant from 10.00am. There is a limit of 100 tickets per seminar and they will be given out on a first come first served basis. Tickets are limited to one per person
hmm, hopefully there will be soem reporting of/from these, I will, no doubt, be in a line waiting somewhere no doubt.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/22 22:56:07
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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I didn't see anything in this thread, but.....
Czevak is free of the Black Library.....
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon/atlas-infernal.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/23 00:30:21
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Good find and... awesome book!
One question though: I never read Redemption Corps though, so... how's Rob Sanders?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/23 00:42:05
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
In the chaotic wastes also known as Canada
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Sounds great!
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DOOMFART's Drunken Rugby Player FOR DOOMFART! FOR GES! FOR DAKKA!!!! Kanluwen wrote:Cadian Blood and Soul Hunter?
They're like kidnapping someone, and forcefeeding them heroin until they're hooked. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/23 06:12:20
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Alpharius wrote:Good find and... awesome book!
One question though: I never read Redemption Corps though, so... how's Rob Sanders?
I still need to finish it but I keep putting it away because the plot is rather boring and not going anywhere.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/23 06:21:25
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Baltimore, Maryland
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BrookM wrote:Alpharius wrote:Good find and... awesome book!
One question though: I never read Redemption Corps though, so... how's Rob Sanders?
I still need to finish it but I keep putting it away because the plot is rather boring and not going anywhere.
I had trouble finishing it as well, I got halfway through it before I gave it up for Bloodborn. Redemption Corps started off pretty strong but became boring, like you said.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/23 06:24:04
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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"Redemption Corps" was a letdown, but it wasn't that bad.
It's good if you can read it in one sitting, or are stuck waiting at the airport.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/23 07:02:50
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Kanluwen wrote:"Redemption Corps" was a letdown, but it wasn't that bad.
It's good if you can read it in one sitting, or are stuck waiting at the airport.
I started it but couldnt really get into the book. i dropped it after about 50-75 pages. I`ll have to pick it up again some time, but so far, its been a bit underwhelming.
Hunt for Voldorius is an ok read so far.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/23 14:29:17
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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Something cool from Mr. Thorpe.
Since the release of Path of the Warrior I have been asked a number of questions about Eldar culture, war, the Aspect Temples and many other things concerning the pointy-eared inhabitants of the Craftworlds. I’ve rounded up a few of them, which I will answer over the coming days, but the real purpose of this post is to invite Hamsterites to ask any further questions in the comments section.
A caveat: None of this is necessarily ‘official’. I’ve been working on Eldar in a variety of forms over the years and my answers are based on some of my extrapolations and interpretations over this time. They are my take on Eldar and nothing more (and depend upon the value you wish to attach to my opinion!). Feel free to posit contrary theories in the comments.
Another caveat: Please try to keep questions relevant to themes and issues raised in Path of the Warrior. This is to keep the questions within the sphere of subjects I have already thought about – in the following two books, Path of the Seer and Path of the Outcast, I’ll be delving into Eldar psychics, Harlequins, space travel and all sorts of other things in more depth but I haven’t necessarily formed my own opinions and answers on those yet.
The last, and most important, caveat: There are contradictions in the established Eldar background. A good example is the nature of Eldar Exarchs and whether they become meshed with their armour. In most cases I have used the most recent Codexes and material, but I have also taken a few liberties for the sake of storytelling. In doing so I have probably created new contradictions. Sorry about that…
Question for the day, from Xisor:
“ Exarchs are Exarchs because they’re ‘trapped by Khaine’. Taking Eldar overlap of myth and actual ‘scientific/precise’ language, is the nature of ‘becoming an exarch’ related to the continued existence/pull of the god?”
Right, let’s get started with some nice theology/ metaphysics! First off we must decide how much of Khaine as an entity is a mythological analogy and, because of the funkiness of the warp, how much a reality. At a basic level, as with all myths and belief systems, the Eldar gods are analogies. Khaine is a representation of the murderous passion and destructive potential that exists within every Eldar. As such, his continuing existence is simply a reflection of the Eldar’s continued need for aggression and violence (mainly to protect themselves in a hostile universe).
It is explicitly stated that Eldar can become trapped on any Path, so for those of the Path of the Warrior this is described as being trapped by Khaine. Are healers who do not move from their path trapped by Isha? Are Bonesingers trapped by Vaul? From that standpoint it might simply be a feature of the Eldar language that the state of becoming an Exarch is simply described in these terms; a linguistic shorthand.
However, this leads one to wonder why it is the Eldar believe that the other gods were slain when Khaine survived, as they still need healers and engineers but do not require the continued existence of Isha and Vaul to explain this. Which brings us to the Avatars…
I would say that the continuing existence of Khaine in the form of the Avatars is a chicken-and-egg situation. For much of the time this fragment of psychic energy given material form is inert. The Avatar sits dormant until the call to war, so it must be assumed that it has only a small effect upon the Eldar in this state otherwise they would be in a state of permanent, violent agitation. As described in the background, it appears that the process of awakening the Avatar is begun from within the Avatar itself, and is completed by the Exarchs and Warlocks with the sacrifice of the Young King. What first stirs the Avatar?
The Avatar’s throne is connected to the Infinity Circuit of the craftworld, itself a gestalt psychic intelligence of the living and dead Eldar; each is also a sub-network of the massive Eternal Matrix that exists alongside the webway connecting all of the craftworlds together on a faint but potentially powerful psychic level. That the Infinity Circuit is mainly powered by the psychic energy of the dead may be important here. The death of the Eldar gods, their removal from the warp, may be a euphemism for the withdrawing of the Eldar psychic presence from the warp into the semi-material world of the Infinity Circuits. Whatever powers were once represented by Isha and Vaul. Kurnous and Lileath, no longer exist as part of the diminishment of the Eldar following the Fall.
For reasons of pure survival if nothing else, the Eldar needed to keep their god of war; their intrinsic capability for violence. This manifested itself in the forming of the Avatars as a lodestone for their violent tendencies. The psychic gestalt of the Infinity Circuit exists on a level beyond the material and so can work as an early warning system for oncoming conflict. It resonates with the minds of the Eldar, so as Farseers and Exarchs, and other Eldar, become troubled to a certain level, even on an unconscious plane, the Infinity Circuit will pick up on this and respond by stirring the Avatar, thus signalling that war is approaching and the Eldar need to prepare.
In ‘real’ terms, I see it like this. When the Fall happens and Slaanesh is created, the psychic energy of the Eldar, as represented by the mythical gods, clashes with the newly born Warp Power. Obviously within the context of the mythology, this conflict would be represented by Khaine, their god of war. While the Eldar die in their billions, a small fragment of their surviving warp presence manages to protect a few, becoming manifested as the Avatars of Khaine.
What does this mean for the Exarchs? For this we have to go back to Asurmen and the founding of the shrines. In my version of events, the Avatars were born active to some degree; that is, they exerted their warlike influence over the Eldar, protecting them against the birth of Slaanesh. However, Khaine’s continued presence (that is, the continuation of the capability for extreme rage and violence within the Eldar psyche) would soon become as much of a peril as the emotional free-for-all that led to the Fall. The Avatars were feeding on and being fed by the Slaanesh-Eldar conflict in the warp. They needed to be put in their place, and this meant that the Eldar had to learn to control their warlike instincts.
This brings us to Asurmen and the first Aspect Temples. Asurmen was able to create the first path, that of the warrior, which through ritual and practice allows the Eldar to suppress their violent instincts until needed. To do so, Asurmen first needed to embrace his violent nature rather than fight it from outside, mastering his urges with pure willpower. In order to spread the teaching of the path, he recruited the first Exarchs, Eldar capable of performing the same feat of will. This teaching, the Path of the Eldar, will always require instructors for following generations, and thus there must always be a few Eldar willing, unconsciously but probably guided by the Infinity Circuit as hinted at in Path of the Warrior, to embrace their warrior nature in order that they can pass on the techniques of control required for the Eldar to keep their violent tendencies at bay; also to continue to promulgate the martial prowess required to keep the Eldar alive in a universe that seems determined to destroy them.
In summary, the Exarchs exist to contain the continued influence of Khaine on the one hand, but also to ensure Khaine’s continued existence. A rather distasteful but appropriate analogy can be made with a Champion of a Chaos God. A Chaos Champion requires the input of warp energy from his chosen deity to continue to achieve his goals, while the Chaos Power he serves requires mortal followers to continue to propagate its existence. The Eldar need to be able to fight but not be consumed again by violence, and so between them the Exarchs and the Avatar exist to act as a valve mechanism for this destructive behaviour.
More later…
http://mechanicalhamster.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/introspections-on-perfection/
Here for noting, cross posted in background for discussion...
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/24 03:34:13
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Wraith
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When was this announced? Looks like another compilation?
http://www.amazon.com/Age-Darkness-Horus-Heresy/dp/1849700370/ref=reg_hu-wl_list-recs
The Age of Darkness (Horus Heresy) [Mass Market Paperback]
Christian Dunn (Editor)
Product Description
After the betrayal at Isstvan, Horus begins his campaign against the Emperor, a galaxy-wide war that can lead only to Terra. But the road to the final confrontation between father and son is a long one – seven years filled with secrecy and silence, plans and foundations being formed across distant stars. An unknown history is about to be unveiled as light is shed on the darkest years of the Horus Heresy, and revelations will surface that will shake the Imperium to its very foundation...
Product Details
Mass Market Paperback: 416 pages
Publisher: Games Workshop (April 26, 2011)
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Bam, said the lady!
DR:70S+GM++B+I+Pw40k09/f++D++A(WTF)/hWD153R+++T(S)DM++++
Dakka, what is good in life?
To crush other websites,
See their user posts driven before you,
And hear the lamentation of the newbs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/24 03:51:31
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
In the chaotic wastes also known as Canada
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^ A while ago dude, I can't wait thou becasue Tales of Heresy was an excellent read.
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DOOMFART's Drunken Rugby Player FOR DOOMFART! FOR GES! FOR DAKKA!!!! Kanluwen wrote:Cadian Blood and Soul Hunter?
They're like kidnapping someone, and forcefeeding them heroin until they're hooked. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/24 03:55:39
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Wraith
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Well it wasn't mentioned in this thread, which has been going since 09.
At least search didn't find any thing.
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Bam, said the lady!
DR:70S+GM++B+I+Pw40k09/f++D++A(WTF)/hWD153R+++T(S)DM++++
Dakka, what is good in life?
To crush other websites,
See their user posts driven before you,
And hear the lamentation of the newbs.
-Frazzled-10/22/09 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/24 07:41:13
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Plastictrees
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Wow, thats quite an expansive answer  And an interesting point of view as well. The book was pretty good too.
Except for the path of the dreamer. Thats just, awkward
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/24 08:17:24
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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skrulnik wrote:Well it wasn't mentioned in this thread, which has been going since 09.
At least search didn't find any thing.
I mentioned it a few pages back, but if you really want proper info, check the BL site..
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/24 15:46:23
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Wraith
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It wasn't on the Black Library "Horus Heresy" section. That's where I looked first.
Their coming soon page has the same blurb as Amazon.
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Bam, said the lady!
DR:70S+GM++B+I+Pw40k09/f++D++A(WTF)/hWD153R+++T(S)DM++++
Dakka, what is good in life?
To crush other websites,
See their user posts driven before you,
And hear the lamentation of the newbs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/25 13:29:36
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
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BL has an upcoming release page, all books go there first and are moved to their relevant pages when they are released....
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/26 16:41:25
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I don't mean to seem like I hate Black Library when I say this or something, but, do you think Black Library might publish a book about a race other than Imperium related?
I know that they have had some Eldar, and Fire warrior back it 03' but I don't feel that justifies for the dozens and dozens of Imperium books.
<---wishes there was more Tau lore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/26 17:12:17
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Hellacious Havoc
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Has anyone heard anything new from the BL seminars at Games Day?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/26 22:19:08
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
In the chaotic wastes also known as Canada
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We need info!
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DOOMFART's Drunken Rugby Player FOR DOOMFART! FOR GES! FOR DAKKA!!!! Kanluwen wrote:Cadian Blood and Soul Hunter?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/26 22:42:20
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Where is the Red One!
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/27 09:53:09
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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..god my back hurts, all those shiny new books.
.. I budgeted carefully and considered my purchases, reasoning that I only needed one or two of the early release books, after all I haven't quite finished the Sabbat Worlds anthology and have only listened to Aenarion a few times. I can always buy them when they come out and...
.... well... £70 odd later I stagger out with all the new books. And the extra copy of the BA collectors edition short for my mate. And a first Heretic poster.
Spoke to several artists and authors -- Messrs. Thorpe and Wraight were, as ever, impeccably polite and a pleasure to chat to.
I, and indeed all Corax fans, will, I am sure, be eagerly awaiting a certain tome from Mr Thorpe ...next year with a bit of luck..?  .. that should help fill in some of the gaps. Relating to a certain infamous event.
Didn't make the seminar(s) I'm afraid, picked up a few snippets here and there, thankfully of course we're kept quite well informed as to BL's future plans -- a point I thanked any and all of the BL staff for whenever I got the chance.
Special thansk to the Bl staff for, again, having the most organised and well run section of the whole day. Pissed all over the efforts made by some elements of the rest of the company here and there.
..The Bl short really does leave things nicely poised for the entire BA Legion, all 100K odd of them, to go to a certain system to a certain planet where they should fight a certain bunch of demons
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/27 13:01:22
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
In the chaotic wastes also known as Canada
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Any thing on the Hammer and Bolter?
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DOOMFART's Drunken Rugby Player FOR DOOMFART! FOR GES! FOR DAKKA!!!! Kanluwen wrote:Cadian Blood and Soul Hunter?
They're like kidnapping someone, and forcefeeding them heroin until they're hooked. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/27 14:14:33
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reds8n wrote:
I, and indeed all Corax fans, will, I am sure, be eagerly awaiting a certain tome from Mr Thorpe ...next year with a bit of luck..?  .. that should help fill in some of the gaps. Relating to a certain infamous event.
Wait... what's this?!?
I don't know for sure, but it is certainly one thing - excellent news!
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Lord of battles wrote:Any thing on the Hammer and Bolter?
They gave out some free discs with, I believe, the first issue on. I haven;t had a chance to do anything with that at all yet, sorry, further announcements to follow.
Think I mentioned it before.. but if any of you budding would be authors have some short stories..well..get polishin'. A wise man would perhaps look to write in the "modern" 40K era.. and ..well... those Chaos Space Marine characters sure are treacherous aren't they eh ?
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/27 15:05:31
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Dakka Veteran
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So did anyone besides myself pick up the new HH audio book Garro : Oath of Moment. I am curious about everyone's thoughts?
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Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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From some bloke who attended some of the BL stuff:
Well the big important news from BL in my own opinion, is that they are letting first time authors start by looking into the 4 big bad Chaos boys, with an anthology set to be released in 2012. You can submit your own work from now until the 22nd October (2 days after my birthday lol) so anything on Khan, Ahriman, Lucius or Typhon is open, which is a first for Black Library.
The Space Marines battles series aren't going to be all about events that are well known. After The Fall of Damnos, there is one about the Silver Skulls that was inspired by 2 sentences in the Space Marines Codex.
Well I guess thats the biggest news. I sat in on the Writing for Black Library seminar this afternoon and the Q+A focused on the search for fresh blood. Garro: Oath of Moment is a very cool audio book, and the second book in the Tome of Fire trilogy is quite possibly the best book in the BL I have read so far.
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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NuclearMessiah wrote:So did anyone besides myself pick up the new HH audio book Garro : Oath of Moment. I am curious about everyone's thoughts?
Got it, haven't heard it yet, looking forward to it a lot.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/27 15:25:41
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Dakka Veteran
Chesapeake Beach, Maryland
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I dont want to ruin it so.
Also for you Ultra fans you get a taste of the Battle of Calith in it.
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