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Scarey Nerd wrote:Necrons have TARDIS-esque technology, they can fit massive areas into little spaces. A Necron transport need only be the size of an, I don't know, phone-box, and it could fit 10, 15, 20 Necrons.

You have no idea how much I've wanted to just redo my necrons as a Dalek army.

KarlPedder wrote:But thats the thing with Necron tech a Necron transport doesn't actually need to be large enough to have x amount of Necrons "embarked" on it only a portal large enough for them to disembark from like the Monolith as they can actually be "embarked" elsewhere and teleported in via the transport.
Giving the transports a actual transport capacity unlike the Monolith (at least at present anyway...) is likely more due to mechanical reasons, from a fluff perspective you could sell it that the transports power matrix or whatever is not powerful enough to displace more than the transport capacity or more than a single squad at one time.

Exactly. IMHO it makes more sense to say the trnasport can "port" up to 15 models per turn and only full units. So it could move either a full unit of 15 models, or 3 units of 5 models for example.

Although that might be a bit too complicated. From an "ease of play" point of view, just saying it can carry 15 models would be the eay to go i suppose.

Maybe the middle ground could be explained in the fluff by saying that each transport has a portal and the units being "transported" are actually waiting in the Tomb to walk through into battle. An upside of this could be that the transported troops coudl therefore be immune to the wounds suffered on a Destropyed result as they are not actually IN the trasnport when it explodes.

targetawg wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:Necrons have TARDIS-esque technology, they can fit massive areas into little spaces. A Necron transport need only be the size of an, I don't know, phone-box, and it could fit 10, 15, 20 Necrons.

You have no idea how much I've wanted to just redo my necrons as a Dalek army.

If you haven't read Fall of Damnos, do so. Destroyers are Daleks, and they all say "I OBEY".

Scarey Nerd wrote:

targetawg wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:Necrons have TARDIS-esque technology, they can fit massive areas into little spaces. A Necron transport need only be the size of an, I don't know, phone-box, and it could fit 10, 15, 20 Necrons.

You have no idea how much I've wanted to just redo my necrons as a Dalek army.

If you haven't read Fall of Damnos, do so. Destroyers are Daleks, and they all say "I OBEY".

Is it a decent read as a standalone? I typically have avoided the GW books as the 1-2 I attempted to read were (imo) god awful. It was just a book of "THIS GUY IS AWESOME HE DID THIS AWESOME THING THEN SOME MORE AWESOME BUZZWORDS"

I think it was heldenhammer that made me feel that way, I made it ~20 pages in before putting it down in disgust. I may just be picky or it may not be my cup of tea, mind you.

It's not a bad read.

It's a lot less Marines Iz Best than most, and works pretty well as a standalone.

The marines get FUBAR'd pretty thoroughly through the book one by one, though the Lords didn't really come across as being as tough/scary as i think they ought to have been.

(Spoilers for first major battle)

See Spoiler

Which is FFUBAR -Fluff Fethed up beyond all recognition..

Ascalam wrote:See Spoiler

Which is FFUBAR -Fluff Fethed up beyond all recognition..

But then again...

(Spoilers for last major battle )

dancingcricket wrote:

kenzosan wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
To be fair, I suspect that, like the Tyranids, most of what they are called are Imperial Classifications. I doubt that "Tesla" is a Necrontyr word, but likely some Imperial scientist blah blah blah.

Nikola Tesla, Serbian mechanical and electrical engineer of the early 20th century...

Um. Yeah. I know.
I meant in the Warhammer world.

its probably the same tesla iv heard hes THAT good. plus, given red alert, he probably has a time machine and is in the imperium right now

That'd be unfortunate. He'd be accused of Heresy, having all this technical knowledge.

I doubt it....he's the Machine God.

targetawg wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:If you haven't read Fall of Damnos, do so.

Is it a decent read as a standalone?

Almost done with it, and quite liking it.
Though I agree with Ascalam; there should be more of an "oh gak!" factor when an ancient being of incomprehensible technology steps up.

MadCowCrazy wrote:What's to say that this couldn't hold say 20 Warriors?


I mean it could open up the side flaps and eject 10 warriors on each side that has been bunched up like those drones from star wars. It wouldn't be fluffy but it would be plausible

I'm pretty sure Necrons don't care about things like comfort and personal space, so it's totally plausible that 20 would fit in a vehicle like that.

ArmorOfContempt wrote:

MadCowCrazy wrote:What's to say that this couldn't hold say 20 Warriors?


I mean it could open up the side flaps and eject 10 warriors on each side that has been bunched up like those drones from star wars. It wouldn't be fluffy but it would be plausible

I'm pretty sure Necrons don't care about things like comfort and personal space, so it's totally plausible that 20 would fit in a vehicle like that.

[Hey, detach your leg and arm and put them over there for now]

ArmorOfContempt wrote:

MadCowCrazy wrote:What's to say that this couldn't hold say 20 Warriors?


I mean it could open up the side flaps and eject 10 warriors on each side that has been bunched up like those drones from star wars. It wouldn't be fluffy but it would be plausible

I'm pretty sure Necrons don't care about things like comfort and personal space, so it's totally plausible that 20 would fit in a vehicle like that.

And its not like they have a lot of wargear or anything

August for Necrons, Ive basically confirmed it with my rep.

Luna Havoc wrote:August for Necrons, Ive basically confirmed it with my rep.

Your rep? You mean a black/red/whatever shirt, or something else?

Ok, Rumors say that there are 6 vehicles in the new Codex...

1. Monolith
2. Small Open Skimmer
3. Large Open Skimmer
4. Our flier (Summer of the Flyers)
5. ????
6. ????

Let's say that our 'Walker' counts as a vehicle... what is our last vehicle?

Edit:
Jetbike would be the last vehicle. Except that having a 'Bone Giant' type walker count as a vehicle seems a little... cheap to me. I'd much rather have some nice monstrous creature.

Alpha Monolith?

The artillery platform?

Necron Pylon?

Its obviously a deep striking sarcophagus!!! The old drop pod trick...

MadCowCrazy wrote:What's to say that this couldn't hold say 20 Warriors?


I mean it could open up the side flaps and eject 10 warriors on each side that has been bunched up like those drones from star wars. It wouldn't be fluffy but it would be plausible

If GW were to do that i think it would need to be a tad wider if they were to open the side and eject..... IMO just to make it plausible that they were back to back in the vehicle. but having a super stretched portal on either side that is uncovered when the flaps lift up would be more plausible for me. then your could have a rule where id it suffers a destroyed explodes it damages each model in D6" with double the normal ie; S6 to represent the portals power obliterating outwards or something like that.


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Dave-c wrote:Its obviously a deep striking sarcophagus!!! The old drop pod trick...

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!! its to space marine

Yakface specifically nixed the pylon earlier in this thread. The rumoured walker could come in 2 variants filling up the missing vehicle?

As for fall of damnos I must've read a different version since the marines I read about pretty much walked where they wanted and killed who they pleased. I'd rate it a 3/10.

Hey Savis, Have you tried Hell Forged? It's a Soul Drinkers novel, and they beat back the Necrons at a very high cost.

King Pariah wrote:Hey Savis, Have you tried Hell Forged? It's a Soul Drinkers novel, and they beat back the Necrons at a very high cost.

I wasn't too impressed with the first Soul Drinkers but I'll have a go at this one, thanks for the tip.

dagsta2 wrote:

its in French :(

Actually it's Egyptian hieroglyphs

And I don't understand the discussion of how many Necrons fit into a portable teleporter carrier.

Kroothawk wrote:And I don't understand the discussion of how many Necrons fit into a portable teleporter carrier.

Because it's a transport vehicle. If you explode it, the Necrons will come out, not relocate to another vehicle (I assume). The discussion of fitting them in is because it would seem that they are being physically moved, rather than teleporting through portals.

Maybe it's just me, but if the necrons 'transports' are simply portals that zoom around before discharging the occupants that could lend to some very stark differences in necron vehicles vs all others. The two big ones that come to mind are:

1.) Necrons aren't 'in' the transport at all, they port through it. Therefore necron transports may not be able to hold objectives regardless of who they are 'transporting'. (fluff =/= rules, I know, these are just suppositions)

2.) Again, if the 'crons aren't in the transport, a destroyed-wrecked or destroyed-explodes result could potentially fully eliminate the 'transported' squad -- their portal that was supposed to spit them onto the battlefield is no longer there, much like necrons entering through a monolith now. If the lith is destroyed, the designated necrons that were going to come through it would be destroyed as well.


So from a fluff perspective the mobile portal thing sounds really cool to me. However from a gameplay point of view, i feel as though it could have hindering aspects. And then of course there's always the option of GW just saying they work like regular transports regardless of the fluff of them (which is probably the most likely outcome)

Regrettably, i have to agree with you. I think simpler game mechanics may just win out over decent fluff.

FoD is a good read, and its nice my beloved Crons get centre stage. However the continued use of the phrase 'would not be denied' began to grate after a while, I'm pretty sure its use went into double figures.

Anyway, gripes with 40k novels aside, I'm looking forward to the 'Incoming!' email for this release with huge anticipation. I was pleased when the Tomb Stalker came out, but a new codex will be all kinds of great.

I'm crossing my fingers that the Pylon (especially as I have just ordered one ) and Stalkers will get into the codex like the various Forgeworld IG vehicles did, although the Pylon might need to be toned down for normal 40k games.

As for the fluff, theres more in the Apocalyspe books than the original codex, so a retcon won't be the end of the world.

Hopefully the +1 damage (or counts as opened topped) for gauss weapons will make it through, as I have tested this as ahouse rule in friendly games and it makes a huge difference to the anti mech capabilities of the army.

I'm hoping most of the current 'Jetbike' rule models retain this level of speed but I can live with its loss if there is an overall improvement in other areas.

Scarabs sound evil and very second edition Necron rules, which is good for me as I have thirty bases ready to go!

As for the transports, I don't really see the need with VoD and Monoliths, but if GW want to make them and they look good and work well, I'll buy them.

I am saving up for a couple of extar 'Liths right now (only have 1 at the moment).

But i have been tempted by the Pylon for a long time. How does it actually perform in game?