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 Kilkrazy wrote:
What other countries are there that practice guilt and punishment by familial relationship?

Oh that's right... North Korea.

Don't forget Nazi Germany! Never pass up on a good godwin.

 Baragash wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/brexitballs/videos/1971887973121202/

The EU trying very hard to politely explain that it’s “sign up to their rules or GTFO”, in case there’s any Brexiters still occupying a space other than reality.

With the funniest part being that Britain actually participated in writing these very same rules they now seem to have trouble comprehending.

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 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
What other countries are there that practice guilt and punishment by familial relationship?

Oh that's right... North Korea.

Don't forget Nazi Germany! Never pass up on a good godwin.


Actually, Mike Godwin has suspended Godwin's law for the time being. We live in worrying times.

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320


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 Baragash wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/brexitballs/videos/1971887973121202/

The EU trying very hard to politely explain that it’s “sign up to their rules or GTFO”, in case there’s any Brexiters still occupying a space other than reality.


What they should do is play this clip over and over and over at the 6pm ands 10pm news until these people with obviously very thick skulls get this message into their brains that the EU is not going to sacrifice the pillars it stands on just because we are the UK.

In other news Jeremy Hunt has claimed Airbus and BMW are threatening the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44593095

Apparently he knows what businesses want, despite the fact that businesses are screaming at them about the direction they are heading in.

But we should all get behind Theresa May...erh no she can f' off if she thinks all the right minded people in this country are quite happy to see her throw it all down the drain for her and the Tory's hunger for dictatorial power.

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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V

I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!

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"We are in an absolutely critical moment in the Brexit discussions and what that means is that we need to get behind Theresa May to deliver the best possible Brexit."

Yes goverment might need. Companies meanwhile need to do what's right for them. The fool hunt seems to have little grasp of real world.

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 Whirlwind wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
What other countries are there that practice guilt and punishment by familial relationship?

Oh that's right... North Korea.

Don't forget Nazi Germany! Never pass up on a good godwin.


Actually, Mike Godwin has suspended Godwin's law for the time being. We live in worrying times.

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320

So Godwin himself has started godwinning. These days are dark indeed. A clear omen that the End Times are nigh.

tneva82 wrote:
"We are in an absolutely critical moment in the Brexit discussions and what that means is that we need to get behind Theresa May to deliver the best possible Brexit."

Yes goverment might need. Companies meanwhile need to do what's right for them. The fool hunt seems to have little grasp of real world.

And little grasp of what 'threat' means. Dear Mister Hunt, a warning is not a threat.

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Somewhere in south-central England.

The Brexiteers spin these things as "threats" to maintain the "Plucky Brits versus Evil EU Empire" narrative which underpins their identity crisis.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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This is why I am hoping England wins the World Cup this year, or at least does very well. I think poor old England feels a bit insecure and needs cheering up.

   
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 Da Boss wrote:
This is why I am hoping England wins the World Cup this year, or at least does very well. I think poor old England feels a bit insecure and needs cheering up.


Only if you never, ever, ever want to hear the end of it.



Ever.

"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984 
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Brexiteers spin these things as "threats" to maintain the "Plucky Brits versus Evil EU Empire" narrative which underpins their identity crisis.


Of course that becomes flawed when it becomes Tory Government claiming it knows what businesses want vs what UK businesses want (apart from a couple of nonsense exploit the staff companies like Weatherspoon's).


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 Da Boss wrote:
This is why I am hoping England wins the World Cup this year, or at least does very well. I think poor old England feels a bit insecure and needs cheering up.


I really think there is very little chance of this happening. We've scraped a win against a league 2 side and trounced a conference league side. Still I'm sure there will be plenty of people this evening plotting our inevitable course to victory.

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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V

I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!

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 Whirlwind wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Brexiteers spin these things as "threats" to maintain the "Plucky Brits versus Evil EU Empire" narrative which underpins their identity crisis.


Of course that becomes flawed when it becomes Tory Government claiming it knows what businesses want vs what UK businesses want (apart from a couple of nonsense exploit the staff companies like Weatherspoon's).


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 Da Boss wrote:
This is why I am hoping England wins the World Cup this year, or at least does very well. I think poor old England feels a bit insecure and needs cheering up.


I really think there is very little chance of this happening. We've scraped a win against a league 2 side and trounced a conference league side. Still I'm sure there will be plenty of people this evening plotting our inevitable course to victory.


We have to have hope.

Or we would have little left.


Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

"May the odds be ever in your favour"

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
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 Da Boss wrote:
This is why I am hoping England wins the World Cup this year, or at least does very well. I think poor old England feels a bit insecure and needs cheering up.


And you call yourself Irish!

Viva la Mexico!

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It would be different if it was rugby!

   
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 Da Boss wrote:
This is why I am hoping England wins the World Cup this year, or at least does very well. I think poor old England feels a bit insecure and needs cheering up.


Little England (a specific entity, not related to the whole) has been feeling insecure since, well, my entire life at least. Hence the ‘aaaargh! Foreigners’ drivel that’s been a constant lynchpin of the right wing.

   
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Frostgrave

Plus some of our finest knuckle draggers would treat a world cup win as justification for Brexit.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
"We are in an absolutely critical moment in the Brexit discussions and what that means is that we need to get behind Theresa May to deliver the best possible Brexit."

Yes goverment might need. Companies meanwhile need to do what's right for them. The fool hunt seems to have little grasp of real world.


yep but getting behind someone is the best place to stick the knife in...


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
This is why I am hoping England wins the World Cup this year, or at least does very well. I think poor old England feels a bit insecure and needs cheering up.


Little England (a specific entity, not related to the whole) has been feeling insecure since, well, my entire life at least. Hence the ‘aaaargh! Foreigners’ drivel that’s been a constant lynchpin of the right wing.


I blame the Beaker folk

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"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED." 
   
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Luton, UK

A lot of them are probably looking forward to giving monsieur Brussels-Sprout a bop on the nose on Thursday...

“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.” 
   
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Southampton, UK

Wow, this is an interesting read...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
This is why I am hoping England wins the World Cup this year, or at least does very well. I think poor old England feels a bit insecure and needs cheering up.


Little England (a specific entity, not related to the whole) has been feeling insecure since, well, my entire life at least. Hence the ‘aaaargh! Foreigners’ drivel that’s been a constant lynchpin of the right wing.


Winning would least let everyone forget brexit for abit and just go down pub and get hammered for a day.

Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

"May the odds be ever in your favour"

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
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Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook

And then they'll call a general election on the back of the feelgood mood of the country.
   
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Anti-piracy Officer






Somewhere in south-central England.

Brexy Bonus Time!

TL/DR: Brexit: Car investment slumps as 'uncertainty bites'

And we already had an investment problem before this.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Brexy Bonus Time!

TL/DR: Brexit: Car investment slumps as 'uncertainty bites'

And we already had an investment problem before this.


But you forget - Jeremy Hunt and Theresa May know exactly what businesses want without asking them (or only those that give them the answer they want).

It's not a surprise really, why invest money in new facilities if you are goign tofind the costs of staying in that area will outweight the benefits of investing there. Better off movign the money to somewhere with more certainty.

But Project Fear right?



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 Graphite wrote:
And then they'll call a general election on the back of the feelgood mood of the country.


After the last time I don't think May will ever risk that gamble ever again. That Tory rebels will in the end vote for the party rather than the best interests of the country shows just how much they fear that the next GE will give Labour power (or a left wing coalition).

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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V

I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!

"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics 
   
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Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury




But this would mean the whole narrative about this being against "The Elites" -- who are currently busy making sure their life, work and travel will not be affected too much by Brexit -- is nothing but a shallow soap bubble construct and the reality is we've been suckered into a short term cash grab by the rich off of disaster capitalism.


.. who knew ..?



EU free trade negotiating mandates for Australia and New Zealand now public.

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/06/25/trade-with-australia-and-new-zealand-negotiating-directives-made-public/


.. odds on them including a preferential trade deal between all 3 entities and other states must be offered to the others clause then ?



The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
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 reds8n wrote:


But this would mean the whole narrative about this being against "The Elites" -- who are currently busy making sure their life, work and travel will not be affected too much by Brexit -- is nothing but a shallow soap bubble construct and the reality is we've been suckered into a short term cash grab by the rich off of disaster capitalism.

.. who knew ..?


The whole Wrexit referendum gets more shadier the more people look into the details. Here is another review of the investigation.





EU free trade negotiating mandates for Australia and New Zealand now public.

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/06/25/trade-with-australia-and-new-zealand-negotiating-directives-made-public/


.. odds on them including a preferential trade deal between all 3 entities and other states must be offered to the others clause then ?



I'm sure the UK will be prioritised over the EU in these discussions...not.

"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V

I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!

"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics 
   
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Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook

On the bright side, as soon as they realise there's money to be made by the UK being in the EU, we'll be straight back in.


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I think we might actually be dealing with Ferengi

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 Graphite wrote:
On the bright side, as soon as they realise there's money to be made by the UK being in the EU, we'll be straight back in.


Of course, the common market was the tories' brainchild after all. Being against it was for commies and wannabe commies.



   
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Still this is not enough to cause a real revolution. The people must suffer much more than that, I guess.

I'm surprised the Tories can still keep going no matter what, to the very end of this litteral cliffhanger.
   
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Canterbury

UBS survey of 600 companies spells out Brexit "dividend":


Spoiler:










so that's

35% of companies plan to reduce UK investment post-Brexit
- 41% plan to move a large amount of capacity out of UK
- 42% plan to shift capacity to euro zone

but we'll all be better off yeah ?



https://news.sky.com/story/heathrow-owner-to-move-to-the-netherlands-due-to-brexit-11417186

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2018/06/uk-automotive-industry-urges-rethink-on-brexit-red-lines-as-uncertainty-bites/


... sure is tiring holding all these cards eh ?

These jam better be REALLY innovative.


The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
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 reds8n wrote:


... sure is tiring holding all these cards eh ?

These jam better be REALLY innovative.



It's called the Wrexit jam recipe.

You hoover up all the rotting fruit in the fields
Mash it together with chlorinated chicken
Let it sit for a few weeks stewing stuck at the ports
And then serve it raw on make believe cakes
UK Government knows what the public want and it is the will of the people to eat this tripe.
UK Government expects it to bring in £350m a week (*Civil servants that dispute this figure and claim no one will ever buy it are summarily executed through firing and then minced into the jam for good measure).

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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V

I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!

"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics 
   
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Nuremberg

So the summit is tomorrow and as far as I can see, Britain is just walking into it shrugging and saying "No plan, whaddayagonnado?"

Either the UK has to capitulate and come to the table on NI, or the EU should take transition back off the table as the UK has violated the December agreement. I wonder if the EU will have the stones to do that, or are we in for another frustrating, disappointing fudge. I think it would be better to deliver the shock therapy now, giving the UK time to come to it's senses, rather than waiting to the last minute and risking a catastrophiic crash out.

   
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This is the assessment of the American Embassy in London makes of Brexit.

And it's not pretty (from a Channel 4 documentary)

https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1011636382786314240

   
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