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Gonna give this a try. Looks like a good and cheap alternative to buying washes.

Archived, thanks for the info! May your business prosper!

I've switched over to glaze medium myself and didn't change the recipe and got similar results. Slightly better actually.

@frozen wastes: in what way was it better, possible to get a comparison photo of some kind?
Use this recipe a lot so interested in any developments.

Thanks a lot for the recipe, headed over to pearl paint and picked up some ink and tried out the recipe, works great

I made a batch of very nice pale brown wash about three years back, when Les first posted this guide, and used it to great effect on my Deathwing. Soon after, though, I picked up a set of GW inks for half price, so hadn't revisited the link till today when my Badab Black ran out... and I've just refilled it using the techniques here. Perfect. Bit blacker than the original, if anything (I used 50 drops of ink!). Thanks again, Les!

I'm quite new to painting mini's and am having fun doing it. (been 20 years since I last did any). I've been searching with google, as well as gone
through every page in this thread but I can't find what I'm looking for. Unless it's listed on the first page under a different name

Does anybody have a recipe for Ogryn Flesh Wash?

les I just started painting miniatures and your wash has helped me out immensely. Just wondering if anyone (or Les) has come up with an alternative to devlan mud a recipe with Les' base would be great. Thanks in advance.

Aeludor wrote:
Does anybody have a recipe for Ogryn Flesh Wash?

No-one does, it's super secret GW patent or something.
Closest you can buy is Reikland Fleshshade. Not sure about making something similar though.

 Blaggard wrote:

Aeludor wrote:
Does anybody have a recipe for Ogryn Flesh Wash?

No-one does, it's super secret GW patent or something.
Closest you can buy is Reikland Fleshshade. Not sure about making something similar though.

Hardly. If I had the time I could order a few inks and mess around with formulas until I got it down, same with Devlan. I've moved away from using GW washes as much as possible since home mades are much cheaper and I can alter pigment density without having to resort to thinning.

The only washes I'm currently making and using are various concentrations of black and sepia in ultra matte medium.

I've been using nothing but this for the black wash I use on my Evil Sunz. It's great!

I know this guide is old news but has been ressurected with good reason. Les' recipe is pure gold and he deserves a big thanks from many of us. I had some of those inks years ago and never knew what do do with them til I saw your recipe on youtube.

Thanks!

DobieG wrote:
les I just started painting miniatures and your wash has helped me out immensely. Just wondering if anyone (or Les) has come up with an alternative to devlan mud a recipe with Les' base would be great. Thanks in advance.

I have had good luck with the armor wash. ARMOR WASH - 60 Sepia : 20 Black

I also created a wash of my own that was 70 Sepia and 10 black that worked pretty well, too.

I have tried all 3 and have not seen a noticable difference. But I do usually use my brown wash on darker colors.

I suggest testing those two mixtures and maybe come up with your own. but that will get you really close to start with as you test.

PS, thanks LES! It takes a few extra bucks to get into, but once you have the basics you can make alot of wash cheap. And it works really well.

Yep total thread necro but so worth it. Finally got around to trying this after so long and the final result is epic. Power to the players! Thanks Les!

 Aerethan wrote:

 Blaggard wrote:

Aeludor wrote:
Does anybody have a recipe for Ogryn Flesh Wash?

No-one does, it's super secret GW patent or something.
Closest you can buy is Reikland Fleshshade. Not sure about making something similar though.

Hardly. If I had the time I could order a few inks and mess around with formulas until I got it down, same with Devlan. I've moved away from using GW washes as much as possible since home mades are much cheaper and I can alter pigment density without having to resort to thinning.

The only washes I'm currently making and using are various concentrations of black and sepia in ultra matte medium.

ohgodoldpost
You don't know the exact recipe for it. You can imitate it. Don't confuse the two.

Um, I never said I knew the recipe, I said with enough time I could recreate the results. And GW doesn't have any patent on the washes, as GW is not a paint manufacturer. They pay someone else for R&D and recipes.

And once you've tried home made washes, GW's seem like an expensive gimmick. There is infinitely more control over home made, and far better results.


The ONLY reason to use GW washes is if you need to match something that already used them and you don't have a home made match for it.

Overpriced swill is what it is.

I am very happy to see this! I am running low on some of my washes and I think the initial investment for the materials will pay off in the long run with this hobby.... This is definately a "teach a man to fish.... " thread.... only with washes.... Thanks Les for freeing me from the chains of paint/wash product ignorance! I absolute love DIY projects!

Hi,

Just about to make my own. I've bought a few extra supplies. Has anyone used Speedball ink before http://www.cardsandpockets.com/speedballpigmentedacrylicinks2oz.aspx?gclid=CPbOg7XGsbUCFQm0nQodhgEAxw ? Are there issues with it?

Has anyone tried Matte Gel? I have http://www.liquitex.com/mattegel/

I've noticed in other painting tutorial videos, that the old GW Devlin Mud seemed to have a much thicker consistency. I've not experimented with this product yet, but want to see if I can get that "gravy" out of it and how it might pool in recesses.

gel would be too thick. Try using Ultra Matte medium, it's a bit thicker than regular matte and of course has less shine to it.

I only use ultra matte these days as it behaves more like the old GW washes.

I love this stuff, completely changed the look of my nids.

Haha this is awesome they shut him down so he says "Oh yeah watch this!" and then just hands out the exact recipe's for everything for free.

Man that is classy.

If anyone thinks about making a dark blue wash with artist acrylic Brown, Blue and Black inks you get a dark green wash.
It's weird but it's quite good.

I find that most of their brown tones have a lot of green and/or yellow in them. Funny, I've been using those inks to stain sand bases for over twenty years and never used them for a wash. Old thread, but good one.

 Blaggard wrote:
If anyone thinks about making a dark blue wash with artist acrylic Brown, Blue and Black inks you get a dark green wash.
It's weird but it's quite good.

Thank you a lot!

gretar wrote:
Lbursley , i cant find the type of inks your using . So im just gonna ask , if i use any ink , is it ok aslong as it is water proof ?

I know for calligraphy you want to avoid using water proof inks because they contain shellac, which gums up the pens after a while. I'd go with non-water proof, that way you don't run the risk of junking a wash brush with hard shellac.

Hey all, i had a few quick question on this, im hoping people with more exp can help out I've recently decided to try these awesome recipes after hearing so much good stuff about them and also needing to make some larger batch's of wash's for a terrain project, i went to my local blick and picked up all the stuff i need and a few colors of the rowney inks. I went home and made my first batch it and it came out pretty good but i noticed that the ink settles a lot between uses, which is not unexpected. but when i shake the bottle to mix it up, the whole thing BUBBLES up like mad... i mean its just crazy how foamy it gets. And the foam makes it so difficult to use. is this normal? has anyone else had this issue ? (if i take the time to get rid of all the bubbles it works great btw)

I'm using the liquitex matte medium, liquitex flow aid, and rowney inks. im mixing the flow aid 10 parts water to 1 part flow aid ( is this right? im basing that on the order they are listed in on les op)

if anyone has helpful advice or experience with these any help would be greatly appreciated !

 LBursley wrote:

I mean its not like washes are a specialty item created ONLY by GW o_o . i dont get it.

In the US if you look at the bottle of GW of Vallejo paint you will see 1 or 2 markings from ACMI and conforms to ASTDM ######. There are federal guidelines for arts and crafts products. Legal labeling etc. I cost lots of money and every product, every color, needs to be sent to a scientist to get tested. If you sell to the public without following the rules, all it takes is a phone call and you will be shut down. But there are many that do not follow, like DIDI's magic ink from the warstore, wonderwash, and my pigment supplier. NOT LEGAL. Like not paying taxes, it may take years to find you but when they do.... I was just unlucky and someone made the call on me.

ACMI Controls it all and are backed by Federal Law

Les,

ASTM is the American Society for the Testing of Materials. The standard that your washes need to conform to is ASTM D4236.

http://enterprise.astm.org/filtrexx40.cgi?+REDLINE_PAGES/D4236.htm

This is a standard for labeling art supplies, and although I don't have a copy of THIS specification I feel confident that it doesn't require any testing. But, even if it does require testin, I think that you could conform to this labeling standard as long as the components you're using to make the washes are already compliant. I know it's probably too late now. But I'm pretty sure, that you could still sell your washes WITHOUT HAVING TO TEST THEM provided that they are properly labeled.


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 bloodfist1 wrote:
... but when i shake the bottle to mix it up, the whole thing BUBBLES up like mad...

if anyone has helpful advice or experience with these any help would be greatly appreciated !

Les has a great video on his YouTube channel showing you how to agitate your paint bottles with a hand drill. I think the key to avoiding bubbles is to ROLL the wash instead of shake it.

The issue has long since been resolved, and the washes are now sold thru Secret Weapons Miniatures.

Les has a great video on his YouTube channel showing you how to agitate your paint bottles with a hand drill. I think the key to avoiding bubbles is to ROLL the wash instead of shake it

motion sometimes reffered to as vortexing. don't know if vortexers exist for non-lab aplications (would seem there would be), but in biochemistry we use to have to vortex by hand (unless you snuck a lab over and used the analog vortexer ). its a means of mixing a suspension without introduction airs bubbles and causing too much splashing. you kinda feel silly doing it but it works.

*EDIT

So all I can find at local store and on amazon for daler-rowney acrylic inks for black is india ink. Is this the same is just simply black acrylic ink? I always see a distinction in labeling between acrylic ink and india ink so I don't know if there's a difference or if india ink works.

More thread necro (: but is there a wash recipe for the hydrophobic Reaper Bones? I have some transluscent green and red miniatures I'd like to wash in green / red.

Pledge Future Floor Wax works, but it's glossy, and I'd like to see if there's a Les' Wash solution. Thanks!