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Episode 2.

GOOD LORD! Character development! Tension! Smarter ideas! Still the odd ropey decision made off screen.

But the glimmer of improvement seen in Episode 1, just sparkled a little bit brighter.

Importantly, Maggie and Daryl’s motivations and take on things is making sense,

We’re far from out the woods yet, but there’s at least some sense of direction. Log scene was pretty cool as well, even if the CGI remains somewhat unpolished.

I think it's still better than last year but there was quite a bit of dumb in this. Log set up is all wrong. Why would you give someone like the savior the job of keeping the camp safe. The other two were super trusted people and single from a hole town. Rick, instead of taking his time because what was left of the herd was no threat SHOOTS a rope and undoes a metric ton of work based on the way they do things and sets it back further....

Still better than last season though.

With regard to the second siren bloke, I feel like there was an exposition screen cut regarding his deployment. Perhaps something along the lines of Rick and his second chances.

Log thing didn’t bother me, because the impact was pretty cool.

Overall, the whole ‘everyone learning to pull together’ angle is working for me. The communal bridge camp basically confirms what I’ve always thought about humanity. Enough of us just want to get on with our lives that we can happily share. It’s just the extremists (including Daryl, which is very much in character for him) that can’t or won’t move on.

One thing did fall a bit flat. Negan attempting to taunt Rick as to why he’s bothering, because Carl snuffed it. As taunts go, it just doesn’t work, because Rick is shown not to be that self centred. He used to be a Copper, and that’s something people tend to go into from a sense of community, and wanting to protect others.


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Plus, Rick's family isn't gone. He's still got the sprog and Michonne.

For someone who dosent follow the comics:
Wasnt there helicopters shown a couple of episodes? Are they pure teaser bits for the TV show?
The Whisperers havent arrived yet correct?
Has the whole government attempted cure (from end of S1) been totally dropped?

There have been helicopter pass overs in EVERY season. They're always mysterious and hardly ever explained. The only one that might be is the one from the first episode, which was the one that was shown in season 2 to have crashed and the Governor killing the crew.

Whisperers have been teased as far back as 2 seasons ago, and again last season. They may, or may not, have made an appearance at the end of last episode.

I was pretty meh on the season so far until this latest episode. I was genuinely interested to see how people could not let things go and it’s quite understandable. It’s not just good guys vs bad guys there’s finally something compelling happening.

Definitely going in the right direction. Multiple tensions, threat of fracture if there’s no compromise.

I guess the proof in the pudding will be the pay off mid and finale.

Still a bit meh for me despite



Im simply watching out of some sense of loyalty at this point.

It is still improving. Much better dialogue this episode, and more meaningful conversations.

I'm still wondering if Rick is actually going to snuff it. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just in a coma or something for a bit?

I think he formally finished his contract with them - was moving home to spend more time with family IRL etc.

Yeah, he's definitely out. And a guiding light sacrifice to bring everyone together is most likely as we dont have enough time for a more washingtonian good bye.

Well, it’s definitely possible.

But I’m just not sure that Andrew Lincoln would definitely shut that door.

See, I remember him when he was Egg in the sublime 90’s show ‘This Life’. Between that and Walking Dead, he didn’t do a massive amount of work.

We know he’s very, very well paid for Walking Dead. Taking a break is one thing, and totally understandable. But actually full on ending that revenue stream? I dunno. I personally am not convinced.

Well I guess that’s that. They almost got it right. I think the flashback/vision quest thing was the way to go but this episode should have been 100% Rick. There’s no need to check with the B, C and D plots this episode. Also, it was cool seeing Shane and Herschel but it made the absence of Lori, Carl and Glen very noticeable. You can’t have a vision quest without those people but I guess the actors didn’t want to do it. Oh well, certainly the end of an era.


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Oh, spoke too soon? Thought the episode was over but apparently the Rick era may not be over after all...

You did speak too soon:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/amc/the_walking_dead/amc-officially-announces-trilogy-of-rick-grimes-movies-as-the-walking-dead-universe-expansion-begins-a164542

Anyone else surprised they’re gonna bring in the Whisperers?! Figured it would be too big of an arc...but hey, they confirmed it in Talking Dead after the show, so it isn’t comic book info. Not gonna lie, the show was getting stale...but the whole thing with Ann stealing Rick away and that little hint of what’s to come got me back in, ready to see what happens.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Well I guess that’s that. They almost got it right. I think the flashback/vision quest thing was the way to go but this episode should have been 100% Rick. There’s no need to check with the B, C and D plots this episode. Also, it was cool seeing Shane and Herschel but it made the absence of Lori, Carl and Glen very noticeable. You can’t have a vision quest without those people but I guess the actors didn’t want to do it. Oh well, certainly the end of an era.


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Oh, spoke too soon? Thought the episode was over but apparently the Rick era may not be over after all...

After their disgusting treatment of Chandler Riggs (sacking him shortly after he moved to Georgia to be closer to work) I'm not surprised he doesn't want to return for a cameo.

Best. Episode. For. Yonks.

Not the best episode EVARRRR, but a very good one all the same.

Also, managed to dodge all potential spoilers! Which is nice.

Rick's horse was a dick.

A decent episode and enjoyed the vision bits and ending but this 1000 times. I mean Sasha over Lori or Glen?

Also, it was cool seeing Shane and Herschel but it made the absence of Lori, Carl and Glen very noticeable. You can’t have a vision quest without those people but I guess the actors didn’t want to do it.

 Ratius wrote:
A decent episode and enjoyed the vision bits and ending but this 1000 times. I mean Sasha over Lori or Glen?

Also, it was cool seeing Shane and Herschel but it made the absence of Lori, Carl and Glen very noticeable. You can’t have a vision quest without those people but I guess the actors didn’t want to do it.

The answer the showrunner gave is that if it was Carl or Lori that showed up, he'd want to stay with them (i.e. dead). He was trying to 'find his family', right? She likened it to a 'third man' experience -- the people that he saw were there to give him specific things to keep fighting to live -- Shane to give him energy, Sasha to remind him of the big picture, etc. Visions of Carl or Lori would be counterproductive.

It's possible that this was a solution they 'backed' into based on actor availability, but I think it's pretty smart.

More or less what’s I was thinking.

Rick knows Caalrlrrlrlal and Lori are ded. It’s his realisation that the others are now his family that keeps him going.

Yep!

One minute into the episode, I didn't expect that ending. Maybe 45(?) minutes I started to get an inkling. So I guess



Also,

 Mysterio wrote:
You did speak too soon:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/amc/the_walking_dead/amc-officially-announces-trilogy-of-rick-grimes-movies-as-the-walking-dead-universe-expansion-begins-a164542

Yes I saw that on Talking Dead. Seems like AMC wants to become the Marvel of Zombies and have a big shared universe.

Depending on execution, could work quite well.

Having an established world, and audience knowledge of it could make for decent films. Films which can explore certain things better than a tv serial. They tend to need tighter plotting to tell their story in 2 hours rather than what, 16 or so for the serial.

Of course, the movies could be stinkers overall.

the people that he saw were there to give him specific things to keep fighting to live -- Shane to give him energy, Sasha to remind him of the big picture, etc. Visions of Carl or Lori would be counterproductive.

Ok, thats a decent explanation

 Ratius wrote:

the people that he saw were there to give him specific things to keep fighting to live -- Shane to give him energy, Sasha to remind him of the big picture, etc. Visions of Carl or Lori would be counterproductive.

Ok, thats a decent explanation

No it's not. That's the show's explanation for what casting gave them. It's not a big deal, can't do anything about casting but it wasn't "good".

Unless you have a well-placed inside source, there's no reason to think that other than out of pure cynicism.

The show is what it is, but Kang seems like a solid showrunner with some solid ideas. Her problem is that the show was at its absolute nadir when she took over, and is nearing the end of its life anyway.

I think the decision to make another time jump is a sound one. It's partially about Judith, but I think it also serves the show. It's going to be very different without Rick and eventually Maggie (and already was without Carl), so just doubling down on that and breaking from what's come before seems wise.

And like I said, I think the show now has room for a character like Magna, who never seemed to find her place in the comics.

I agree with Ouze, Rick's horse "was" a dick ...

Agree with who now?

I'm guessing Morgan not knocking around the junkyard is due to his visit to FTWD, yes?