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 azazel the cat wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Byte wrote:Nah. It's a good show IMO. I look forward to it each season.

Every single character, except for the kid, carries an idiot ball.

I think you mean the characters are portrayed as actually being human and having to deal with this mess.

Everyone makes mistakes, though admittedly Andrea's mistake was inexcusable and just plain bad writing.

Rick's constant mistakes are so frequent that even his 10-year-old son was able to call him on it. The writing concerning everyone's inability to handle any given situation almost two years into the Z-times is now inexcusably lazy.

Judging by the age of the baby its less than one year.


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 azazel the cat wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Byte wrote:Nah. It's a good show IMO. I look forward to it each season.

Every single character, except for the kid, carries an idiot ball.

I think you mean the characters are portrayed as actually being human and having to deal with this mess.

Everyone makes mistakes, though admittedly Andrea's mistake was inexcusable and just plain bad writing.

Rick's constant mistakes are so frequent that even his 10-year-old son was able to call him on it. The writing concerning everyone's inability to handle any given situation almost two years into the Z-times is now inexcusably lazy.

Then don't watch it.

I can't tell if they just didn't show it well, or if it was intentionally vague, but Carl seemed justified in shooting the guy. He had been told to drop the gun and did not, and kept moving forward. You don't wait for them to try and grab you before you take them down. If the guy had just dropped his weapon as asked, or even just froze and stood there, it may have been different, but he kept creeping forward and wasn't dropping the weapon.

If we take that Hershel as accurate, that Carl did gun him down in cold blood, that is a problem. It isn't that Carl is calling Rick out on his mistakes, it is that he is becoming the Governor, Shane, or possibly Morgan. They become even less human then the monsters that changed the world.

Merle in the previous episode showed that people don't have to become worse than zombies to survive. He didn't have to let Michone go, and yet, he did. Not every decision only leads to death, except in the greater sense, but that is true even without zombies. It is still a rough world, to be sure, and having imperfect knowledge, low supplies, and under threat doesn't mean that we have to devolve completely into base savages, but we would have to be prepared for those who are.

I've only watched two episodes of The Walking Dead in my life - the first one, and the one where Rick and the Governor sit down and have a nice chat over some whiskey (and a bit of the one before that, and a bit of the second episode). I've kept up by reading detailed reviews, as I'd get too frustrated with the moronic way everyone acts on this show.

And from that Season 3 episode alone I can see why everyone wanted Andrea dead. Wow... Kinda makes me want to watch it just to see the end of her.

 Ahtman wrote:
I can't tell if they just didn't show it well, or if it was intentionally vague, but Carl seemed justified in shooting the guy. He had been told to drop the gun and did not, and kept moving forward. You don't wait for them to try and grab you before you take them down. If the guy had just dropped his weapon as asked, or even just froze and stood there, it may have been different, but he kept creeping forward and wasn't dropping the weapon.

If we take that Hershel as accurate, that Carl did gun him down in cold blood, that is a problem. It isn't that Carl is calling Rick out on his mistakes, it is that he is becoming the Governor, Shane, or possibly Morgan. They become even less human then the monsters that changed the world.

Merle in the previous episode showed that people don't have to become worse than zombies to survive. He didn't have to let Michone go, and yet, he did. Not every decision only leads to death, except in the greater sense, but that is true even without zombies. It is still a rough world, to be sure, and having imperfect knowledge, low supplies, and under threat doesn't mean that we have to devolve completely into base savages, but we would have to be prepared for those who are.

I still think its debatable how much, if at all worse Shane was than Rick - he certainly made some better decisions - like clearing the barn and arguably the whole love triangle thing twisted stuff up between them so that only one was going to walk away.

The Governor was a functioning psycho and seemingly pretty decent ruler - mad - perhaps but his people seemed in a really good way before hand - nice life compared to the hell of the prison and before. Compare him to any historic "Warlord" and he wouldn't be far off and as long as you are on his side - things are good. Its a bit like someone like Dexter finding himself in power and trying not to "indulge himself".

Rick is pretty questionable - leaving the back pack guy to be eaten was cold, selling Sword girl to the governor - well bottling it and then doing a "will someone not rid me of this turbulent priest" and looking the other way. The Governor had his zombie daughter and floating heads to keep him going - Rick has his annoying ghost wife to send him the other way........

Carl is a stone killer - he has a baby and cute blonde to look after now - If his father keeps making bad decisions - he is going to call him on this and if it goes down to a point where he has to choose - well ask his mother and "stepdad" what he is prepared to do......

Agreed.
-Prior to the big shootout the Governor was actually pretty good. His people had food, water, shelter, freedom from zombies, apparently electricity, and home entertainment.
His organizing "the militia" should have been done far earlier. He was a substantially better leader than Rick.

-During Shane's "tenor" his decisioning was superior. he didn't lead them into Atlanta, or the CDC, and was much more realistic on the Farm.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I've kept up by reading detailed reviews, as I'd get too frustrated with the moronic way everyone acts on this show.

Ya generally have the right of it. I've basically just been hatewatching it since they got to the farm.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Ya generally have the right of it. I've basically just been hatewatching it since they got to the farm.

Hey if you like The Walking Dead, and Zombies there's supposed to be this totally awesome new zombie movie coming out. It's called World War Z. I heard it's going to be totally awesome. Exciting times!

 Meade wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Ya generally have the right of it. I've basically just been hatewatching it since they got to the farm.

Hey if you like The Walking Dead, and Zombies there's supposed to be this totally awesome new zombie movie coming out. It's called World War Z. I heard it's going to be totally awesome. Exciting times!

Except that World War Z looks nothing like it's source material...

Correct. It has Super Zombies! apparently.

Super fast freaky tidal wave zombies. At least you could see those wiping out portions of humanity unlike the more standard slow walkers.

Yea, kind of takes the fun out of it. Some guys some where said it best. Being dead should not be a superpower.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Meade wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Ya generally have the right of it. I've basically just been hatewatching it since they got to the farm.

Hey if you like The Walking Dead, and Zombies there's supposed to be this totally awesome new zombie movie coming out. It's called World War Z. I heard it's going to be totally awesome. Exciting times!

Except that World War Z looks nothing like it's source material...

Good. If I just wanted the book I'd just read the book again. I have no issues with it doing its own thing.

I wonder if, when zombie surfing, you ride the nose or the back of the board?

 Ahtman wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Meade wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Ya generally have the right of it. I've basically just been hatewatching it since they got to the farm.

Hey if you like The Walking Dead, and Zombies there's supposed to be this totally awesome new zombie movie coming out. It's called World War Z. I heard it's going to be totally awesome. Exciting times!

Except that World War Z looks nothing like it's source material...

Good. If I just wanted the book I'd just read the book again. I have no issues with it doing its own thing.

I don't mind when a book or movie or tv shoe pulls away from it's source material as long as there is a link between the two of them (besides titles).

From what I can tell, WWZ is more like 28 days later rather than the book...

As someone on this forum said, it's almost certain that someone involved with the making of the movie was "inspired" by some show about army ants on NatGeo or whatever. It's certainly a fresh look for zombies, but IMO one that looks both obviously CGI and silly, and that's not a good combo.

I don't think everyone on the show has the "Idiot ball" usually just Rick and Andrea.

As for WWZ I'll watch it. I'm just going in knowing it has 0% to do with the book and accept it. Hopefully, they won't mess it up by focusing too much on Brad Pitt and more on world events but I'm pretty sure they're going with "Brad Pitt saves the world!".

Face it, we will all go see WWZ and complain a lot as we watch it. Or at least suffer in silence. But at the end of the day, Brad Pitt is just too god damn sexy.

The Walking Dead has it's problems... but at the end of the day... it's zombies. And it's not a parody of itself. At least they do a good job on the zombie makeup/special effects.

I just can’t suspend my disbelief enough to watch a show where the people live in a world that never even had the concept of Zombies. They’re so genre un-savvy that it’s just painful.

That's the basis of Zombie fiction. It's basically an unwritten rule that you never say the Z word in a zombie movie.

I think there should be a scale, similar to the one that says the quality of fantasy fiction is inversely proportional to the amount of words the author has to invent. The difference is the quality of the Zombie fiction you’re doing is inversely proportional to how far out of the way the author goes to avoid saying the word ‘Zombie’.

Eh the walking Dead videogame (telltale games) is much better than the TV show as it actually has good character development you get to hear the backstory of pretty much every character you meet and what they have done to survive.

Now we get to the TV show and it goes a little like this.

Hershel : "Rick we need to talk about -current situation-, now go breath heavily on the Catwalk/porch for 5 minutes and then come back to talk about it"

Rick: *storms off*

Meanwhile

Daryl: *Does whatever he wants and makes it look badass, ends with a walker being shot in the head with the crossbow*

Carl: *develops appropriately in Zombie apoc*

Glenn: "in the First 2 seasons I always helped out the group by looking for stuff, in season 3 my face is stuck with a worried expression"

Carol: See Daryl - crossbow part

Maggie/...otherchick: "HI"

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think there should be a scale, similar to the one that says the quality of fantasy fiction is inversely proportional to the amount of words the author has to invent. The difference is the quality of the Zombie fiction you’re doing is inversely proportional to how far out of the way the author goes to avoid saying the word ‘Zombie’.

If we can identify the two main points of divergence between our world and Zombie worlds they are:

1) George A. Romero films were much less popular and Zombies are not really part of the popular lexicon.

2) The dead have risen and are eating people.

If you can make the leap of faith for #2 you should be able to make it for #1 as well.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I don't think everyone on the show has the "Idiot ball" usually just Rick and Andrea.

As for WWZ I'll watch it. I'm just going in knowing it has 0% to do with the book and accept it. Hopefully, they won't mess it up by focusing too much on Brad Pitt and more on world events but I'm pretty sure they're going with "Brad Pitt saves the world!".

I'd lay money that Brad Pitt will discover some kind of "instant win" solution that will either be kinda obvious or not really make sense. Maybe he's an entomologist or exterminator or once wrote an article for Insect Fancy and recognizes that the zombies are behaving like army ants, and he knows a way to beat army ants. He'll try to get in to see the team of scientists, military and governmental types in charge, but he'll be rebuffed at first. Eventually, after some close calls and zombie action, someone will help get him in, or he'll sneak in and make his case. The hard-a$$ military commander will be skeptical -- his plan is to nuke the eastern seaboard -- and will want to haul Pitt out of there, but there'll be a scientist or government type -- probably an attractive woman -- who'll believe in him.

The nukes will be called off at the last minute and the instant win will work. The movie closes on an upnote with a voiceover from Pitt explaining how World War Z cost a lot of lives, but it taught everyone some valuable lessons about something vaguely ecological...and brought his family closer together. Lots of hugs. The end.

God I hope you're wrong on that...

Though I wouldn't be against the opening or closing of WWZ to being the ending lines... *shrugs* who knows...

 gorgon wrote:

Spoiler:

I'd lay money that Brad Pitt will discover some kind of "instant win" solution that will either be kinda obvious or not really make sense. Maybe he's an entomologist or exterminator or once wrote an article for Insect Fancy and recognizes that the zombies are behaving like army ants, and he knows a way to beat army ants. He'll try to get in to see the team of scientists, military and governmental types in charge, but he'll be rebuffed at first. Eventually, after some close calls and zombie action, someone will help get him in, or he'll sneak in and make his case. The hard-a$$ military commander will be skeptical -- his plan is to nuke the eastern seaboard -- and will want to haul Pitt out of there, but there'll be a scientist or government type -- probably an attractive woman -- who'll believe in him.

The nukes will be called off at the last minute and the instant win will work. The movie closes on an upnote with a voiceover from Pitt explaining how World War Z cost a lot of lives, but it taught everyone some valuable lessons about something vaguely ecological...and brought his family closer together. Lots of hugs. The end.

No way. If this movie makes money, it's a stone cold lock they'll want to do another. I see a hollywood style cliffhanger.

 Lint wrote:
No way. If this movie makes money,

Spoiler:

It's going to.

it's a stone cold lock they'll want to do another.

Okay, fair point. So let's roll with this.

The movie closes on an up note with a voiceover from Pitt explaining how the battle for NYC cost a lot of lives, and that WWZ wasn't over yet, but that there's finally some real hope for humanity. What's more, it taught everyone some valuable lessons about something vaguely ecological...and brought his family closer together. Lots of hugs. The end.



Another option is to end it as in the previous post, but have a final shot -- just after the initial closing credits -- of a lone zombie apparently unaffected by instant win shuffling off somewhere.

 gorgon wrote:

Another option is to end it as in the previous post, but have a final shot -- just after the initial closing credits -- of a lone zombie apparently unaffected by instant win shuffling off somewhere.

Sadly this is exactly the kind of sorry, lame ending that hollywood writers seem to think is incredibly shocking and clever. And you are most likely right on point about it. Ah well, I'll still be paying to see it.

Unfortunately, the big budget almost guarantees that the studio will seek to minimize the risk to its investment by sticking to the very well-worn disaster movie formula.

Pitt usually picks good scripts. Then again, he might just be looking at all the gross points (percentage of gross revenue) and thinking cha-ching.

It definitely looks big budget, and vaguely Battle LAish...
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/175973-new-international-poster-for-world-war-z

I read an interview where they mentioned WWZ as a possible trilogy. They also mentioned that zombie fiction exists in their world.