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Wack jobs, psychopaths, or your basic villians...

Would probably be better equipped to handle these scenarios than "normal, peaceful" folks.

That's why I'm intrigued with their LA spin off, as it's showing the beginning of the outbreak.

 whembly wrote:
Wack jobs, psychopaths, or your basic villians...

Would probably be better equipped to handle these scenarios than "normal, peaceful" folks.

That's why I'm intrigued with their LA spin off, as it's showing the beginning of the outbreak.

Imagine TWD withdraws............besides lets see how they portray the outbreak at the beginning and life as we know it cascade into the crapper


sidearm
rifles
ammo
M1 bayonet
body armor
food
..........
,,,,,,,,,,
lets see how we can improve

 Frazzled wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.

Thats because they are following Team RIck

I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...

Thats because fething Negan is abso- fething-lutely fething awesome.

I like Pete though, the guy that plays him, for in real life he has like a 20K bee colony on his roof that's like a hobby. I've a bee colony in my front lawn that burrowed into the root ball of a pacific pine tree. I leave them alone they leave me alone

 Frazzled wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.

Thats because they are following Team RIck

I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...

You're the one that brought him up. You don't even know if he's a whack job, maybe he's your kinda whack job.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.

Thats because they are following Team RIck

I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...

You're the one that brought him up. You don't even know if he's a whack job, maybe he's your kinda whack job.

Actually...

 gorgon wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.

Thats because they are following Team RIck

I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...

You're the one that brought him up. You don't even know if he's a whack job, maybe he's your kinda whack job.

Actually...

Spoiler:

...provides a service...charges an arm and a leg for it...cross him and you're fethed.

Sounds just like a lawyer!

Actually...

Spoiler:

...provides a service...charges an arm and a leg for it...cross him and you're fethed.

Sounds just like a lawyer!

Spoiler:

Yep, pretty sure Frazzled would run his Zombie Apocalypse just like Negan.

Except Frazz would have a dachsund instead of a baseball bat!

A full auto dachshund!

Slight digression and slightly morbid but I was wondering if (at least in the US) there exists more bullets than there would be Zombies (i.e. current population).

Gut feel, I'm thinking the answer is yes. And probably 5 times over.

Easily. And there are more guns in the world than there are people alive to fire them.

I've read that it's is common US practice to leave crates of guns and ammo in warzones when the troops leave because it is easier and cheaper to make more than ship them home.

I always find it funny when a year after an apocolypse everyone is universally out of guns and ammo in the country that has the most of both.

It might just be a case of people getting hold of them, if loads of stuff is stocked away or locked up in warehouses (in the middle of zombie-infested areas)

Also.. again it would take away from the discomfort of watching the show if all of the people were running around Commando style with a gun in each hand and missile launchers strapped to their backs

So at least if ammo were available, then Sasha would have been right, to take the fight to the Walkers and actively cull them.

I think that is mostly a 'locating it' issue. How much is in cities? How much is hidden/private homes?

Most zombie shows/movies go the whole keep guns for people and hand to hand for zombies. A nice shield wall would handle most hordes.

They just need a funnel that would allow only 1 Walker through at a time. And some way to clear the bodies.

 KiloFiX wrote:
They just need a funnel that would allow only 1 Walker through at a time. And some way to clear the bodies.

You dig a pit in front of the wall to your compound. Have someone make noise on the other side of the wall. When the hole gets 3/4 full, kill the ones that fell in and then bury them. Rinse, repeat.

 KiloFiX wrote:
They just need a funnel that would allow only 1 Walker through at a time. And some way to clear the bodies.

They just need to borrow the meat processing plants:


Drive all day long to "herd" the zombies into these fences... and butcher at your leisure.

Pretty soon, most of the dead would be the stragglers and newly dead.

 pretre wrote:
I think that is mostly a 'locating it' issue. How much is in cities? How much is hidden/private homes?

Most zombie shows/movies go the whole keep guns for people and hand to hand for zombies. A nice shield wall would handle most hordes.

Spoiler:

There's a great section later in the comics where Alexandria's walls get breached and the survivors realize this. As long as you stand firm, you can kill almost any number of walking dead.

Hell, later on in the comics...

Why did Sasha lay in the hole with the walkers? Huh?

Probably because they looked so peaceful, and its a metaphor for her desire to stop struggling and fighting to survive.

Or something.

What I don't understand is that, given how Glenn manages to survive running straight through a crowd of zombies at one point, why don't they dress up in riot gear every time they set foot outside of the fence? Even if you couldn't get hold of the equipment, you'd think they'd get dressed up in motorbike leathers with some conversion work. Rather than lots of exposed arms and legs ready for a zombie to take a bite out of!

 whembly wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
They just need a funnel that would allow only 1 Walker through at a time. And some way to clear the bodies.

They just need to borrow the meat processing plants:


Drive all day long to "herd" the zombies into these fences... and butcher at your leisure.

Pretty soon, most of the dead would be the stragglers and newly dead.

That Romero film where they are trying to farm zombies springs to mind.. although, it didn't end well !

 Pacific wrote:
What I don't understand is that, given how Glenn manages to survive running straight through a crowd of zombies at one point, why don't they dress up in riot gear every time they set foot outside of the fence? Even if you couldn't get hold of the equipment, you'd think they'd get dressed up in motorbike leathers with some conversion work. Rather than lots of exposed arms and legs ready for a zombie to take a bite out of!

I'm guessing reason number one (for both actors and IF this was actually happening) would be Southern Summertime Heat!

also plot - the Zombes are given alot of plot shields to make them dangerous - inlcuding this....

You guys keep using a word to describe the W guys outside of spoilers - when did we learn what the W stood for? I don't recall hearing it in the last episode.

Not sure how you missed it but...

...one of the "W"olves told Morgan what's what right at the start of the last episode, right before Morgan went all Jedi Master on the two of them!

Haha yeah, I kept thinking David Carradine from Kung Fu (from anyone old enough to know of that show)

Also

"the Wolves are near" that was spray painted on the side of the vehicle at the cannery factory. Think it was on the same vehicle that Darryl and Iforgothisname was in when the trap was sprung.....

O

 Byte wrote:
Why did Sasha lay in the hole with the walkers? Huh?

One the hallmarks of good movies/TVs are ones that, much like real life, present human behavior that isn't explicitly explained and each viewer has to come to their own conclusions to interpret exactly what they think is happening in that person's (character's) mind.

From my point of view, Sasha suffered a one-two punch of losing both Bob and Tyrese, the only two people she really cared for, in short order. This made her stop caring about whether she lived or died herself and focused her solely on her own rage towards the Walkers (who are, as a general concept, responsible for killing Bob and Tyrese), which is why she went all ape-crap on the walkers with her knife out 'on the road' (ruining the group's plan) and cutting Abraham unintentionally in the process.

Once the group went to Alexandria, she was now faced with a situation where much of the group (and the other Alexandrians) were no longer focused on just survival (killing walkers), but were looking forward to having actual lives where they care about people and stuff and look forward to the future. She, however, no longer has any interest in that because doing so would mean confronting the fact that she no longer has no one she cares about and therefore no reason to look forward to anything (in her mind).

This pressure to look forward and become a normal person again, therefore began to wear on her and was encapsulated by the picture of the 'normal' family in the house she was sleeping in. That's why she took the picture out and shot the crap out of it...to explicitly illustrate that she had no desire to be a 'normal' person anymore. Once she shot that picture up, she had completely abandoned any pretense of trying to rehabilitate herself and instead took to the watchtower to continue her life focused just on her rage as a way to block out the pain.

However, living in that kind of mindset is incredibly exhausting and it eventually started to take its toll on her psyche. When rage is all you live for, during the moments of calm it really hits you that your life is utterly empty and pointless, and that's when people suffering from PTSD (which this basically is) start to fantasize about being dead and even committing suicide (to just end the pain). So her laying down in the Zombie bit was a way of her fantasizing about how nice it would be to be dead, and no longer feel the horrible things she does.

But she clearly had second thoughts about that course of action, as she went to Gabriel presumably to try to take the first step towards healing, only to have him crap on her (because he's fighting a similar set of demons himself, except he does the opposite: he blames everyone else but himself as a way to make himself feel better about his own actions).

 yakface wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Why did Sasha lay in the hole with the walkers? Huh?

One the hallmarks of good movies/TVs are ones that, much like real life, present human behavior that isn't explicitly explained and each viewer has to come to their own conclusions to interpret exactly what they think is happening in that person's (character's) mind.

Agreed 100%, and I found Sascha very striking as well. But interpreted it slightly differently (see below). Interestingly, I broke out the same scenes with different interpretations on motivations...

 yakface wrote:
From my point of view, Sasha suffered a one-two punch of losing both Bob and Tyrese, the only two people she really cared for, in short order. This made her stop caring about whether she lived or died herself and focused her solely on her own rage towards the Walkers (who are, as a general concept, responsible for killing Bob and Tyrese), which is why she went all ape-crap on the walkers with her knife out 'on the road' (ruining the group's plan) and cutting Abraham unintentionally in the process.

Agree with this to a degree, only not agreeing about her not caring about dying. Dying vs. living was just not the #1 thing on her priority list at the time, she wasn't actively seeking death or allowing passive death. Priority is just... other things.

 yakface wrote:
Once the group went to Alexandria, she was now faced with a situation where much of the group (and the other Alexandrians) were no longer focused on just survival (killing walkers), but were looking forward to having actual lives where they care about people and stuff and look forward to the future. She, however, no longer has any interest in that because doing so would mean confronting the fact that she no longer has no one she cares about and therefore no reason to look forward to anything (in her mind).

It's not rage against having actual lives, its rage against stupidity, mediocrity, banality. She went off on someone asking her what is her favorite food dish. Really? The world no longer exists where that has a shred of relevance. Group Rick were literally starving on the road to Alexandria. People are eating other people. Bob's leg was eaten. I bet someone said that was their favorite dish.

The Alexandrians are sheltered, pampered, idiot children. You only care about someones "favorite dish" when you have enough excess to food to have a choice in what you eat. The whole dinner thing was also so... fake. And that is the root of her problem with Alexandria. It's all a dangerous lie but they are all so smug from their safe little sanctuary.

 yakface wrote:
This pressure to look forward and become a normal person again, therefore began to wear on her and was encapsulated by the picture of the 'normal' family in the house she was sleeping in. That's why she took the picture out and shot the crap out of it...to explicitly illustrate that she had no desire to be a 'normal' person anymore. Once she shot that picture up, she had completely abandoned any pretense of trying to rehabilitate herself and instead took to the watchtower to continue her life focused just on her rage as a way to block out the pain.

I disagree it has anything to do with being "normal." I think she shot the picture because the idea of "family" in the zombie apocalypse is a myth. She lost her love and her brother, and all around her keep dying. Family? Hah. The mental disconnect between the fantasy world in the walls and the harsh reality outside is the problem here.

The other problem is that there was hope for safety in Alexandria, but not like this, where having to survive is a game of dinner party niceties and bro-fests about making runs outside.

There are actually two separate things going on with Sasha - mourning and rage about her loss of Tyrese and Bob, and the jarring impact of Alexandria "it's a small world after all" Fantasyland. The two are combining to make her feel apart, disconnected, and like no one gets it, and thus want destroy all the walkers who caused it all. Sasha is lost and alone among people and no one gets it. Bottom line, she is alone. That is the ultimate motivation for her actions.

 yakface wrote:
However, living in that kind of mindset is incredibly exhausting and it eventually started to take its toll on her psyche. When rage is all you live for, during the moments of calm it really hits you that your life is utterly empty and pointless, and that's when people suffering from PTSD (which this basically is) start to fantasize about being dead and even committing suicide (to just end the pain). So her laying down in the Zombie bit was a way of her fantasizing about how nice it would be to be dead, and no longer feel the horrible things she does.

I saw it as a chance to feel peace. No fear. No pain. No rage. No confusion. No disconnection. No loss. No being lost. I didn't even see it as a desire to be dead, just a desire to see what it feels like to be... still.

 yakface wrote:
But she clearly had second thoughts about that course of action, as she went to Gabriel presumably to try to take the first step towards healing, only to have him crap on her (because he's fighting a similar set of demons himself, except he does the opposite: he blames everyone else but himself as a way to make himself feel better about his own actions).

I thought she just tried it out. Then realized what it would mean to make that happen, which she wasn't ready to do. The Father Gabriel thing was really interesting. I viewed it as she realizing she's so alone, so maybe a little bit of Jesus might help. I actually hadn't thought about him dealing with the same sort of feelings because he did it to himself by his own cowardice... hmm. I guess for me, I'm sympathetic to Sasha and not at all to Gabriel. Likely because Sasha focuses her rage on the walkers and the social structure of Alexandria, and Gabriel focuses it directly on other people (Rick's group).

I have to admit for some reason I don't really care about Sasha but I think you made me like her more that explanation Yakface.