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It is time for the resurrection!

Who watched last night and what do you guys think?

I loved it. Some solid humor to break up the tension of them trying something insanely different for this show and huge. Rick's a cold mother. And I think Morgan is less under zen control than he appears based on the face he makes after talking with Michonne at the end of the episode. Glen is still awesome.

Overall a good start to the season for me. Terminus season opener was better but I think that was partially because it was a reuinion and partially because it showed the group going gang busters. This is excellent but in a different way. And I'm honest enough to admit I like watching the core group go crazy on bad humans and zombies.

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Good stuff!

And the horn has to be the Wolves, right?

I'd almost say that's too obvious, but Ron isn't that stupid?
   
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I would say Ron could be. It's more of a coin flip since he'd actually seen the quarry full of zombies. If he hadn't I would have put it down to him using it as a way to make Rick fail with typical teenage lack of caring about his fellow humans.

Most likely it's the Wolves. I'm surprised they didn't talk about how easy it would be for the Wolves to use the herd against them when they were discussing it.

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These characters are so stupid, making stupid decisions all the time. OBVIOUSLY, what you WANT to do when herding massive numbers of zombies through country roads is...

I kid, I kid. There were a lot of zombies. I think this episode sets up what stands to be a very zombie-heavy season, at least right through the Wolves' involvement. Otherwise the episode seemed to mostly be about how the townspeople were getting pulled in this way or that by the Ricktatorship. I was glad to see that Jessie didn't suddenly shack up with Rick. That may happen sooner than is believeable IRL, but at least it wasn't overly rushed.

Glenn seems more capable than ever -- with a steadier hand than Rick as evidenced by Glenn's handling of Nicholas -- which has me concerned for him because reasons.

I suspect the horn is someone inside Alexandria. Ron seems an obvious contender, but I wouldn't be shocked if it's Enid. I'm still not convinced her head is screwed on right.


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Heh, someone hasn't been keeping up with the comics.

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 Wyrmalla wrote:
Heh, someone hasn't been keeping up with the comics.


I think we'll be waiting about 3 seasons before that particular group makes an entrance.

And that pic might be something to spoiler, even if it's vague, just because it's comic material.

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The Power Bar Peanut Butter flavor had me cracking the Hell up


That peanut butter power bar, Eugene in general, and Rick's initial reaction to the rebellious click were all great for a laugh.

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 Wyrmalla wrote:
Heh, someone hasn't been keeping up with the comics.


I think we'll be waiting about 3 seasons before that particular group makes an entrance.

And that pic might be something to spoiler, even if it's vague, just because it's comic material.


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Was very satisfied with the premier.

First reaction to the horn is an attack by the Wolves- so far I've been wrong so I'm going to assume somebody is screwing with the hunt or trying to take back the compound from Rick's group.

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Was very satisfied with the premier.

First reaction to the horn is an attack by the Wolves- so far I've been wrong so I'm going to assume somebody is screwing with the hunt or trying to take back the compound from Rick's group.


Or maybe Enid is one of the Wolves, or they have leverage over her.

Also...If the next episode will cover the events from the comics that I think it will...Carl's gonna be channeling Pirate chic soon.

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 Wyrmalla wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
 Wyrmalla wrote:
Heh, someone hasn't been keeping up with the comics.


I think we'll be waiting about 3 seasons before that particular group makes an entrance.

And that pic might be something to spoiler, even if it's vague, just because it's comic material.


Thank god for spoiler tags...


And so you did. That's what I get for typing in the box without checking the original post.


Another reason to think the horn isn't the Wolves is because of something related to the comic.

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Gimple sticks reasonably closely to the books...you'd think we'd get the memorable scene at the gate and the little pig line, right? Things don't seem to be setting up for that at the end of this episode with everyone outside the gates.

It's more likely IMO that the horn -- in addition to being a complication for the herding plan -- is what leads the Wolves to Alexandria, instead of the gunshot that kills Pete like in the books.



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Also...If the next episode will cover the events from the comics that I think it will...Carl's gonna be channeling Pirate chic soon.


You think they'd do that particular thing, though?

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My first thought was the makeup hassle and/or CGI budget, but I guess they could just ask the actor to wear the patch for the rest of his time on the series.

And if you're right, I guess we'll know soon if Jessie is going to follow the path of her comic book counterpart, or pick up some of the comic Andrea material like some (well, me at least) think.

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You think they'd do that particular thing, though?


They better do. Its a milestone in Carl's character arc. Carl not losing an eye would be like Carl not getting shot by Otis at Hershel's farm, or Carl not putting down Shane.

My first thought was the makeup hassle and/or CGI budget, but I guess they could just ask the actor to wear the patch for the rest of his time on the series.


Easy solution: Have him wear glasses with the right eye blacked out from now on. Only have him take it off on special occasions, when they want to emphasise his injury. Or they could have him grow his hair out on the right side. Or as you say, they could give him an eye patch.

The glasses with one eye tinted black is what Carl was doing lately in the comics, until Lydia popped his cherry and Carl decided "Feth it, I'm a man now and this makes me look badass".

And if you're right, I guess we'll know soon if Jessie is going to follow the path of her comic book counterpart, or pick up some of the comic Andrea material like some (well, me at least) think.


I think thats more likely to be Sasha or Carol.

Remember, when Rick arrived at Alexandria Jesse was his first relationship there. And then it was Andrea, after Jesse died. Its a key milestone of Rick's character arc for this season, losing a girlfriend and then gaining another girlfriend, this time someone who he's known for a very long time. Carol would be the best fit, but then Sasha has become the group's marksman.


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That moment at the end with Enid locked in the blood spattered car, obviously upset at something she witnessed. I think thats
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Carl getting shot. Even if he doesn't lose an eye (like how they decided Rick losing a hand was too much hassle for a lead character), Carl is getting shot.

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Yeah, I could see based on the promo something happening to Carl. He seems to be the only person she's really opened up to. Though we do have Jesse's son who was looking over at them in the flashback and not looking happy.

Also I just don't see the horn being someone in Alexandria. Because Carol would happily drop her act to drop that person if it meant saving the rest of her crew.

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Also I just don't see the horn being someone in Alexandria. Because Carol would happily drop her act to drop that person if it meant saving the rest of her crew.

Which is what we want... right? Who doesn't want to a "fully armed and operational" Carol-station?!?!

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hmm it was an OK first episode - Much better than Fear TWD but thats not saying much.

Good Stuff
Carol was great but not in enough, Rick had some great lines..............and actually made sense most of the time.
The dialogue and interactions between people were best bit.
Like Rick dancing on the edge of insane dictatorship - very Governor like.

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That was a hell off alot of effort for zombies they could just kill in teams at the quarry in a controlled faashion.
For seasoned Zombie killers - why do they not have spears FFS
Flash backs were annoying - would have prefered it in one sequence given the short space of time.
Guessing that Morgan leaving the Wolves alive has led them to Alexadnria - another brilliant move - idiot.
Oh look another annoying teenager (who is pretty good at keeping up with cars).
The death would have been mroe effective if Rick had not had to kill him - say a broken leg or somethig and him just screaming - bite to the face you are dead - no question.

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That was a hell off alot of effort for zombies they could just kill in teams at the quarry in a controlled faashion.


Far too many zombies. When you start killing them piecemeal, the noise and commotion would whip the rest into a frenzy. They'd charge the trucks en masse, and the sheer force of thousands of zombies crushing against them would push through.

For seasoned Zombie killers - why do they not have spears FFS


Patience. Theres going to be a new (friendly) group introduced soon, for whom spears (and other hand made weapons) are a signature weapon and specialty.

The death would have been mroe effective if Rick had not had to kill him - say a broken leg or somethig and him just screaming - bite to the face you are dead - no question.


Oh definitely. This just came across as an entirely justifiable mercy killing. The guy was already dead, just didn't know it yet. And he was gonna get others killed.

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Nice to have the 'real' walking dead back!

Not that you can have solutions to a zombie apocalypse that are easy and make sense (no exciting show then!), but couldn't you just hurl a few Molotov cocktail style bombs down into the quarry to set a bunch of walkers on fire? The noise created by the fire would certainly draw other walkers towards the fire, where they would then be set on fire themselves...I'd imagine it would start a chain reaction that would eventually immolate all the walkers in the quarry.

And in fact, having giant fire pits whose noise constantly lures in new walkers seems like the way you could deal with walkers on a regular basis. But like I said, even if that did work, you can't have easy solutions in TWD if you want excitement as well.


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I'd create a funnel channel to "feed" the zombies into large wood chippers:



Then, "process" the zombies!

Takes fuel though...

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You think they'd do that particular thing, though?


They better do. Its a milestone in Carl's character arc. Carl not losing an eye would be like Carl not getting shot by Otis at Hershel's farm, or Carl not putting down Shane.




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or like rick not losing his hand

lots is different, good chance carl wont get a new hole in his head at all.

 
   
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Nice to have the 'real' walking dead back!

Not that you can have solutions to a zombie apocalypse that are easy and make sense (no exciting show then!), but couldn't you just hurl a few Molotov cocktail style bombs down into the quarry to set a bunch of walkers on fire? The noise created by the fire would certainly draw other walkers towards the fire, where they would then be set on fire themselves...I'd imagine it would start a chain reaction that would eventually immolate all the walkers in the quarry.

And in fact, having giant fire pits whose noise constantly lures in new walkers seems like the way you could deal with walkers on a regular basis. But like I said, even if that did work, you can't have easy solutions in TWD if you want excitement as well.


The problem is then you have zombies on fire.

If one flaming zombie gets out of the quarry(we saw a few squeezing past the lower set of trucks) and makes it into the brush nearby, you might have a wildfire going...and that would be a Bad Thing.
   
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Would fire ants eat zombies? Seriously, if they don't really move when in docile mode and don't respond to pain, if so I have a very simple solution...

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Nice to have the 'real' walking dead back!

Not that you can have solutions to a zombie apocalypse that are easy and make sense (no exciting show then!), but couldn't you just hurl a few Molotov cocktail style bombs down into the quarry to set a bunch of walkers on fire? The noise created by the fire would certainly draw other walkers towards the fire, where they would then be set on fire themselves...I'd imagine it would start a chain reaction that would eventually immolate all the walkers in the quarry.

And in fact, having giant fire pits whose noise constantly lures in new walkers seems like the way you could deal with walkers on a regular basis. But like I said, even if that did work, you can't have easy solutions in TWD if you want excitement as well.



I remarked something similar to the wife last night whilst watching the show. I figured it would be easier for them to somehow exterminate the zombies whilst corralled in the quarry and under control rather than trying to herd them along a road which strikes me as being inherently fraught with danger and what-ifs.

But like Yak says, you have to artificially inject that element of danger (or sometimes stupid character syndrome) to keep the show watch-able and interesting otherwise it would be more along the lines of 'characters survive zombie apocalypse, find plentiful supplies and ammunition and survive just fine, thank you very much.'

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Considering a herd followed the direction of a helicopter long after it had passed, why don't they just use a noise maker to get them going and then herd them if need be. Frankly they are easier to herd than cattle. Just a guy on a horse with a jingling bell is all you would need. Amble a mile and then gallop away and circle back. Done.

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Considering a herd followed the direction of a helicopter long after it had passed, why don't they just use a noise maker to get them going and then herd them if need be. Frankly they are easier to herd than cattle. Just a guy on a horse with a jingling bell is all you would need. Amble a mile and then gallop away and circle back. Done.

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Well yea, of course thats the best solution.

on the other hand if zombies are edible in a few years its not herds of zombies you have to worry about, but packs of wiener dogs ten thousand strong all hungry now that they've eaten the zombies and have a taste for...people...

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I can see people in Texas herding walkers into those large tanks you see at oil refineries and then lighting it up once full.

Also, cars need to stop working. Gasoline won't last a year before breaking down and becoming unusable as fuel, even if horded in a storage tank. In this bold new world it's wind, solar, or gtfo.

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