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Its Howdy Doody Time!

On Glenn. Musing about the comics somewhat, but...



Just my two cents. Feels like a bit of a wasted opportunity, or like I said, it could be that they're looking to bring it around later...

 Alpharius wrote:
Having now watched 'The Talking Dead' I'm kind of convinced he isn't actually dead.

Ya that was a weird statement by the show runner. It raises the possibility a bit but of course he could just mean flashbacks...


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Ok, I guess there could be a possible way out for Glenn. I suppose the intestines we saw being eaten were actually that other guy's on top of him. Then somehow that guy's gore covers Glenn and as we've seen before covering yourself in entrails can camouflage you from the zombies. So he gets an entrail shower that saves his life?

That was rotten zombie innards though wasn't it. Seems like freshly torn apart human would just be a garnish.

 Eldarain wrote:
That was rotten zombie innards though wasn't it. Seems like freshly torn apart human would just be a garnish.

Ya, I thought about that too. That's why it wouldn't be a very good explanation. Can't remember if they ever used fresh inards in the show.

Better late than never-

Was a decent episode. No idea on the fate of Glenn, but I'll take a guess and say he's a goner. They left it ambiguous enough it could go either way.

I'm going to echo what I read on another site about this episode's decision to 'apparently' off Glenn like this and then have the showrunner issue a vague statement saying we will still see Glenn, or some form of Glenn again.

It was a terrible decision that creates a no-win situation for the show against the fans.

Either Glenn somehow cheats death and is alive, thereby both breaking the audience's trust in the show in what they see, and diminishing the 'moral' of why Glenn was apparently stuck in that decision in the first place (trying to redeem Nicholas).

Or he ends up being dead, which breaks the hearts of the fans particularly because Glenn died in such a strange, uncharacteristic way.

This show has certainly earned some faith from me for putting out good entertainment over an extended period, but I really have a hard time seeing how they'll make this situation turn into something that feels like it was worth all the shenanigans to get to this point.

I don't think it'll break the audiences trust in what they see. I mean they had to specifically address that Rick shot Jesse's husband in the head at the end of last season because it happened off camera. Walking dead is a show that unless you see it happen (and they follow it up) it's kinda open. Think back on all the main characters that have died.

Generally same episode you get closure with it too. Shane, Lori, Merle, Hershel, Beth, Andrea, and Tyreese. Heck, even the kid from the hospital and other one season characters get that kind of closure.

I think this is in play with how the show does things. Crazy impossible situations happen from time to time and until someone is noted as dead they are alive. Seeing Glenn die didn't feel right for the show. I was genuinely sad when Beth went. But Glenn, one of my favorite characters, just got a what the hell reaction of quasi disbelief and no emotional reaction. I hated Tyreese but even his death got more of an emotional reaction from me.

And I don't think I'm the only one that had that reaction to Glenns "death". Either way we'll see what happens. But I don't think it's a no win. It's more of a unless you see it it didn't happen.

Synopsis for the next episode:

A new face and setting are introduced. With all that's gone on in the apocalypse, can people be trusted?

Sounds like a certain biblical figure will be introduced next week...

That is a good point - I guess the only way Glenn can survive that is if there is something that quickly draws the majority of the walkers away...

And it will take some form of divine intervention to save Glenn...

Lets hope they resolve it this season......................

Its interesting that they went for a high body count start - yeah lots of them are nobodies and red shirts who don't even have names / brought in for the episode.

There seemed to be awful lot more Alexandrians than attend the meetings........

 Mr Morden wrote:
Lets hope they resolve it this season......................

Its interesting that they went for a high body count start - yeah lots of them are nobodies and red shirts who don't even have names / brought in for the episode.

There seemed to be awful lot more Alexandrians than attend the meetings........

Not any more... Rick strikes again...

Its not unusual. They "find" a new place or a lot of people and an event comes that culls the herd down to a much more manageable (show budget wise) number.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Synopsis for the next episode:

A new face and setting are introduced. With all that's gone on in the apocalypse, can people be trusted?

Sounds like a certain biblical figure will be introduced next week...

Spoiler:

Jesus and The Hilltop are almost certainly what its referring to. With Jesus being introduced, perhaps thats how Glenn will survive. Still don't know how though, unless Jesus happens to be carrying around something extremely loud like a gun or fog horn that could distract the walkers and lure them away before they completely chew through Nicholas and start chomping on Glenn.

The dude is a magic ninja. If there's anyone who can pull it off, it's him.

Besides...

My reaction on seeing Glenn die



Reading the above, think even if that was the other guy's bits and pieces being pulled out, really don't know how Glenn would get out of it!

Sure we will see more of the Wolves as a) they wouldn't leave a mystery just sitting there like that b) they tantalisingly mentioned them not having a choice in what they were doing (during the raid). Why did they not have a choice?

Otherwise fairly happy in that some quite annoying characters were killed off in the show! Although shame on Michonne for not putting the guy who had already been bitten out of his misery..

 Pacific wrote:
Reading the above, think even if that was the other guy's bits and pieces being pulled out, really don't know how Glenn would get out of it!

Glenn needs to pray for a divine intervention.

Sure we will see more of the Wolves as a) they wouldn't leave a mystery just sitting there like that

I'm pretty sure the Wolves are all dead now, bar that last one (the leader?) who Morgan caught inside a house. In the comics, they only numbered about 7, not the couple dozen or so that we see in the show, so the show inflated their numbers considerably for filler purposes I guess. Only a small handful of Wolves escaped Alexandria, and then they ran into Rick. There are no indications that there are any remaining Wolves, I think they were the last survivors.

The main threat now in the immediate future is the massive herd bearing down on Alexandria, not the Wolves. That threat has been dealt with.

b) they tantalisingly mentioned them not having a choice in what they were doing (during the raid). Why did they not have a choice?

My initial impression was that he meant they didn't have a choice as in "We do this to survive". Although I guess it is possible that...

The main threat now in the immediate future is the massive herd bearing down on Alexandria, not the Wolves. That threat has been dealt with

The main threat to Alexandria seems to have been Rick and crew Wonder how many Alexandrians will be left by the end of the season - one or two maybe.........if they are lucky.

I think the Wolves will turn out to be large powerful group - they just threw away loads of footsoldiers and we still have not idea how they work...... the only one with that info is Morgan and he is too bust=y being "moral" - ie stupid to tell anyone anything useful.

Hopefully he wises up or they kill him off in the show before he turns into jinx Noah mk 2.

Alexandria was stuffed full of the entitled upper class so I'm shocked that Mr Morden is upset at all!

I think the Wolves are done, and the Walker Herd will be the next Big Problem until we can contact with Other Places and then You Know Who Shows up.

Rick and co. are the best thing that ever happened to Alexandria. Without Rick and co, the entire walker herd would be bearing down on them, not half. Without Rick and co, the Wolves would have overrun them completely and massacred everyone.

I think the Wolves are done, and the Walker Herd will be the next Big Problem until we can contact with Other Places and then You Know Who Shows up.

Voldemort??

 Alpharius wrote:
Alexandria was stuffed full of the entitled upper class so I'm shocked that Mr Morden is upset at all!

I think the Wolves are done, and the Walker Herd will be the next Big Problem until we can contact with Other Places and then You Know Who Shows up.

I don;t recall saying I was upset It is true that many who dwell in Alexandria are the same but others are not nad actually care for others than themselves ,unlike the travestries of humanity we saw in Fear the WD.

As we all know the shw is not the same as the comicsc and it may well that the new casting call mentioned earlier is the leader of the Wolves. I think we will learn more when we get Morgans backstory as the next epsiode - for good or ill.

re Glenn - it is sad but I was not as surprised as some as they were bulding up in the episode.......

I'm pretty sure the casting call from earlier is for the leader of The Saviors.

Now whether or not he also turns out to be bossing the Wolves around too in TV land remains to be seen...

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm pretty sure the casting call from earlier is for the leader of The Saviors.

Now whether or not he also turns out to be bossing the Wolves around too in TV land remains to be seen...

That was my thought - they don;t haev the time to introduce a whole new threat group ii don't think unless its right at the end?

Its far too early to introduce them. The herd comes first, then a certain divine figure and a hill...


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Anyway...where are your spoiler tags Alpharius?

What a great episode.

It sure was.

To me, the Walking Dead isn't a story about the end of civilization...it's the story of the birth of a new civilization. Morgan has his role to play.

And, in maybe one-and-a-half to two seasons time, Rick will make a big decision. It feels to me like they're starting to lay the groundwork for that already, just based on one particular line from the episode.

In fact, I even wonder if...(comic spoilers)

At first I was hoping it wasn't going to be a Morgan only episode. I figured with 1.5 hours we'd get something else happening in prep for the herd arrival. But I really enjoyed the episode. Granted, Morgan gets more people killed than Father Gabriel and Noah combined and is set to do even more damage long term but I really enjoyed the episode.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Rick and co. are the best thing that ever happened to Alexandria. Without Rick and co, the entire walker herd would be bearing down on them, not half. Without Rick and co, the Wolves would have overrun them completely and massacred everyone.

I think the Wolves are done, and the Walker Herd will be the next Big Problem until we can contact with Other Places and then You Know Who Shows up.

Voldemort??

Correction, without Carol "Assassin's Creed head post apocalyptic killer" they would have been in trouble.


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 Hulksmash wrote:
At first I was hoping it wasn't going to be a Morgan only episode. I figured with 1.5 hours we'd get something else happening in prep for the herd arrival. But I really enjoyed the episode. Granted, Morgan gets more people killed than Father Gabriel and Noah combined and is set to do even more damage long term but I really enjoyed the episode.

I loved the episode. The wiriting and direction were excellent, and the characters/actors were perfect for what they were trying to do.

It was a fantastic episode mainly because Lennie James is a great actor and Morgan is an awesome character.

And I have revised my early ideas about Glenn: he's definitely dead, but the way the season is structured means we will see him again.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
It was a fantastic episode mainly because Lennie James is a great actor and Morgan is an awesome character.

I can't stop seeing Lennie James as Lord Shaxx of "Destiny"; a character he voiced.

And I have revised my early ideas about Glenn: he's definitely dead, but the way the season is structured means we will see him again.

I think you're right, but also...I hope you're wrong.

Yeah, what impressed me is how they managed to go from the frantic pace from episodes 1-3 and then flip it and make a very slow 2-person drama episode that's an hour and a half long and keep it excellent.

Josh Gad said it well on the Talking Dead. The Walking Dead knows it has the trust of the fans and that allows them to do things a lot of other TV shows can't when it comes to story telling.

Ooh, a new chara.....hmm. Nevermind.

Any new 'good" guys seem to have a short shelf-life in TWD. Although even he was a murderer, so I think TWD has the same theory on good guys as Game of Thrones.