Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Then here is my suggestion, buy the 1x upgrade kit for the nightlords, keep the shoulder pads and sell the heads. you will easily get the money for the heads alone. Then using GS try out some press moulds. If it does work out then all you would be out of would be a little bit of GS as you can then sell the pads on Ebay if its not going to plan.

for parts try bits and kits.

Are you averse to using plastic shoulder pads and sticking Night Lord decals on them? As far as detailed metal shoulder pads, it isn't difficult to make a mold from them (in rtv rubber) and cast all you want in resin

Aww too bad you are giving up on the Sang guard idea,I really wanted to see them,I use Sang guard as Raptors in my Inter-Heresy Emperors Children. I think all marines should have body sculpted armour and face helmets. :-P

The Shoulder Pad Crisis Continued
The biggest issue of this army is the shoulder pads costing £15/$25 for 10, which is very expensive considering this army is going to include 3 devastator squads with the FW pre-heresy missile launchers.

Luckily I was able to contact a fellow modeller who refused to re-cast GW ones but agreed to sculpt 5 pre-heresy designs and cast 60 of them for £65/$100. He just emailed me with pictures of this
rough version (see attachment), which is very good for a quick job.

However I’m now unsure which to use; his version or the official GW ones!
The thing is I've ditched the idea of having 3 devastators so I'm already saving some cash because I no longer require 12 pre-heresy missile launchers. Plus a friend told me he's got some old night lords models I can have.

However I know the ones that he’ll make for casting will be of a lot better in quality, plus cheaper in the long run. The biggest issue is the fact I’m having assistance with the army, which in previous projects has caused me nothing but grief. Despite tournament judges being okay which the knowledge of someone else doing the green stuff work on one of my units I was labelled a cheater by some players. It’s because of this I’m reluctant to take his offer.

What do you guys think?

i think those shoulder pads are very good and you get them cheaper than the gw one so you should take that offer

Personally I'd go with those custom ones. I can understand your reluctance in view of the comments you've had over some of your other armies, but I really can't understand their viewpoint. If you used ones from chapterhouse or even GW then YOU didn't make them, would that be an issue for the detractors? Then again I don't play, let alone tourney, which is what you want to do with these, so my advice is always going to fall on the 'do what you want' side I just find it sad that some peeps are always looking for some way to detract from/belittle what you're achieving.

Agree with mt on this, even if you are seeking advice or sourcing one particular part its still not cheating.

The rest of the input will be yours and tbh that will far out way the contribution of even those pads, nice as they.

As everyone said, get the custom pads. It is such a small part of the marine I am sure no judge would mind. Looking forward to seeing some miniatures!

What the other guys said. Those pads are sweet.

Proiteus wrote:
the knowledge of someone else doing the green stuff work on one of my units I was labelled a cheater by some players.

What was their specific reason for viewing it as cheating? I don't see what difference it makes who customized part of the model.

I say go for the custom pads, IMO they look better than the GW pads and you're not paying for the helmets you can't use.

Proiteus wrote: Despite tournament judges being okay which the knowledge of someone else doing the green stuff work on one of my units I was labelled a cheater by some players.

What do you guys think?

I think this is some of the dumbest criticism I have ever heard... Those lads are among the most pathetic players ever...

So of course, go ahead with the custom pads!!!

The judges don't care (hopefully), so you should do the same about those buggers...

Pads look cool, are you going to use the Chapterhouse Stuido's pre heresy jump packs?

Miss Dee wrote:Pads look cool, are you going to use the Chapterhouse Stuido's pre heresy jump packs?

Yep and have every marine wearing those bad-ass helmets.

the packs have fiddaly vanes on them. Just a heads up.

I seriously can't understand why having someone sculpt Pad details for you is "cheating", while using the GW ones is not. These players seem a lot like the ones who have a problem with counts as and are far too pedantic.

The CH stuff is of a great quality and the jump packs will look great on your Night Lords IMHO. Pretty cool idea to use those skull helmets.

go with the pads, i see no reason for you not too. as someone said earlier, everyone is using parts made by other people... GW parts!

Considered doing Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons alongside the Night Lords but decided not to now.

Or give the thousand sons no weapons, and just have them use solely magic. I love the idea! I would go with SW or BA codex rather than the chaos codex since i think their are some interesting options there which you mentioned, but the chaos codex can be cool as well!

you can change the name by editing the first post and changing the title of it.


also, better hurry with chapterhouse since GW is bringing them to court and if they lose it would be a drag for them to not be able to sell their items to you!

love the idea, ill be keeping watch on this!

Sageheart wrote:Or give the thousand sons no weapons, and just have them use solely magic. I love the idea! I would go with SW or BA codex rather than the chaos codex since i think their are some interesting options there which you mentioned, but the chaos codex can be cool as well!

The Blood Angels codex is designed for speed and close quarters where Thousand Sons perfer ranged fighting and I think using the codex of the chapter that destroyed their homeworld and are now their sworn enemies wrong on many levels. Overall Chaos can provide more interesting types of play and better fluffwise.

Sageheart wrote:also, better hurry with chapterhouse since GW is bringing them to court and if they lose it would be a drag for them to not be able to sell their items to you!

Good thing the small order of bits arrived during xmas so I'm now able to get an idea of the quality and appearance. I threw together this model to show you what I have planned, what do you think?

The heads a bit small but the jumpback will look great once the mould lines are removed, I be ordering the rest of the night lord parts I need on monday. Also given the news I'll need to consider ordering the Thousand Son parts as well or perhaps gamble that part of the project on if the company will be around for much longer?

I would get everything asap and then build up the army slowly.

The head looks nice with the jumppacks, do you plan on having dramaticly posed assault marines?

i understand why you didn't wish to use SW or BA, both makes sense, they just have a lot of interesting options, though the csm army does as well. if you use BA you could try to stay clear of the close combat elements and make an army of psykers and long ranged weapons, it could be done, but i think your chaos idea is great. You should make a libbie dred though hahaha, even if you just use it as a normal chaos dred or as a DP.

You need more bat wings!

Cutthroatcure wrote:You need more bat wings!

Back then their armour didn't include a lot of batwings. Perhaps I'll add some to the honor guard.

nice picture, where did you get it?

The Horus Heresy Collected Visions.

Well I've got to place my order to get the rest of the bits tommorrow but I just can't help but be concerned with the size of the skull helmet. Do you guys think it's too small?

The helmet is more "truescale" than the GW heads. Id have to see it painted to know for sure though

yeah same here, i think i needa see it painted before anything else, though so far it doesnt look too small. if you want to really think about it the head is bound to be small on a super human they aren't really planning on growing out those muscles and bones!

Well, apart from the fact I don't really like that helmet (no lower jaw, looks more funny as in "funny undead" than creepy to me), I don't think there's any scale problem, so you should go with it!

Plus, your painting skills will more than probably outweigh this minor concern of mine...

Proiteus wrote:

Cutthroatcure wrote:You need more bat wings!

Back then their armour didn't include a lot of batwings. Perhaps I'll add some to the honor guard.

I just think that they take on this dark lord image and bat wings could be awesome..but i have never had a problem with your past stuff so you use your better judgment :-)