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On a continuing steampunkery note, have you checked out these yet?

http://www.infamyminiatures.com/gallery.php

They're running a freebie contest on fb, too.

will come back later on to that discussion...

my wife got the zeppelin shown by me... and she raised the question of the gondola and "blimp" together... she stated the gondola looks not the same style as the blimp... then I told her about one idea someone (forgot who exactly) here mentioned... the gondola could have two wings and be a sort of separate flyer...

now discuss this... as I need some serious input on that issue... I am game to everything... so let the brains smoke and let there be some answers... I will be back... and if I don´t get enough answers of my think tank here there will be a reckoning!!!!


cheers, vik

Separation sequence? Awesome! Just don't leave the ship's counsellor in charge.

I would don't wing the gondola. The gondola has enough going on. The blimp part needs more to bring it up to the gondolas standard of matching. I suggest you do your awesome detailing you have been doing the Gondola with!

A separation sequence doesn't sound beneficial to ze blimp IMO.

There's two options with that thought:
Make it so the blimp and gondola can separate (probably due to the flight stands, the blimp can just be lifted off). However, you would then need the gondola to have two "modes"; one where it is attached to the blimp and the other where it's flying under it's own steam( ). That would require collapsible wings of some kind, etc...
You also wouldn't want to add any connecting wires etc.. between the blimp and gondola otherwise you'd need methods of making them all separate (although magnets would be an obvious choice to make this happen).

Or
Make it look like the two can separate but not model them so they do actually separate. That only requires some clamps modelled on the the join and collapsed wings added to the gondola. Then you can be as complicated as you like (with wires/hoses/pipes) and not worry about how to actually remove the blimp from the gondola...

No separation. The captain must go down with the blimp. Flaming Hindenburg style. Only those who expect to be defeated come up with an escape route.

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
will come back later on to that discussion...

my wife got the zeppelin shown by me... and she raised the question of the gondola and "blimp" together... she stated the gondola looks not the same style as the blimp... then I told her about one idea someone (forgot who exactly) here mentioned... the gondola could have two wings and be a sort of separate flyer...

now discuss this... as I need some serious input on that issue... I am game to everything... so let the brains smoke and let there be some answers... I will be back... and if I don´t get enough answers of my think tank here there will be a reckoning!!!!


cheers, vik

Soooo, what's the point in giving out awesome ideas if you're forgotten so soon eh?

And back to the topic...

I think one of the reasons your wife might think so are the hexagon windows you like so much. The problem in my opinion is that there are 2 of them and they are aligned in an "eye" pattern making the gondola look like some kind of insect. Like a big dragonfly. That's fine with me as it kinda create a steampunkish version of LEXX



but she still got the point - somewhat mixed style.

The obvious possible solution is to make one window or to rotate them to vertical pattern. I actually would suggest rotating 'coz that way the piloting crew would have a better view on the ground . Like on this plane:



the second issue - the relatively small baloon for that gondola. That's a bigger problem, but i can see a solution in making a second identical baloon and hangin the gondola between the two. Like here:



Hope that'll help somehow

I think you could maybe make it look like the gondola is separate and can fly under it's own steam. Swing wing effort with similar to your current tail fins. And either giant rocket engines or props mounted horizontally. Keep the vertical ones you have, but 2 horizontally mounted backward facing Rokkits. Anyone remember the airship from 3dmark 6th edition, I think it was. Very steam punk.




Put an upper deck to the gondola and suspend it slightly, two rokkit engines and away she goes.

ok fellas.... i am really thankful to all your great comments... they need to be answered now...
don´t get frightened off by my colored typing tho

dsteingass wrote:The Casino guards all take your weapons when you go in, you'll need holdout weapons.

Boone will only attack Legion on-sight.

and what kind of weapons would these be then?

Camkierhi wrote:NO DISTRACTIONS!!!!

Love the tail fins. All looking great.

Not wishing to re-ignite old discussion, but the Tesla coil could be "grounded" by a "keel" type arrangement and the lightning grounding to the earth, would maybe act as your stand for the beast. Kinda like an upside down tree, branching across the ground from a central ball on a keel beneath the gondola!! Just my 2 pence.


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Woot that was my 400th post on dakka!!!

congratz mate for having 400 times somthing to say here ...
and to the earlier matter... you need to draw me a pic here... i didn´t get that... speech impediment and all^^ (mine and not yours!!!)

storag wrote:I hate to make decisions so I just moved on to the DLC content ;P

the ship looks great already... I have a good feeling about this

storag wrote:

 dsteingass wrote:
Those cars are badass!

Glad you liked it On second thought I should have left this at your thread Dave

oh my... mad max in a game... tho the FO connections will be pretty obvious... but more obvious of course... it has cars in.... damn....my PC wont make me play that game for sure....
and thanks for your confidence!

Theophony wrote:The airship is looking great, love the "flippers" you have designed. No I shall start calling your vessel "flipper" just like the t.v. Show. Everyone sing. They call it flipper, flipper....I forget the rest. But seriously you could put the tesla coil on the front sticking up and it would look like a narwhals.

and there you are again with a great idea... i will look into that tomorrow first thing in the morning!!! (but we skip that flipper meme...)

inmygravenimage wrote:On a continuing steampunkery note, have you checked out these yet?

http://www.infamyminiatures.com/gallery.php

They're running a freebie contest on fb, too.

i am a bit confused about their range... is it 30mm or even 90mm??? i was looking and couldn´t find a clear statement about the scale... and... it was rather upsetting to see peter or holmes to be bad guys...

inmygravenimage wrote:Separation sequence? Awesome! Just don't leave the ship's counsellor in charge.

hahaha! good one mister...but remember on a british military vessel there are no big bewbed crew allowed

cormadepanda wrote:I would don't wing the gondola. The gondola has enough going on. The blimp part needs more to bring it up to the gondolas standard of matching. I suggest you do your awesome detailing you have been doing the Gondola with!

A separation sequence doesn't sound beneficial to ze blimp IMO.

actually i share totally your views on this one... no wings on the gondola... and seperating them is not really my intention... my wife gave me some serious issues of uncertainty... sometimes needed tho^^

Dr H wrote:There's two options with that thought:
Make it so the blimp and gondola can separate (probably due to the flight stands, the blimp can just be lifted off). However, you would then need the gondola to have two "modes"; one where it is attached to the blimp and the other where it's flying under it's own steam( ). That would require collapsible wings of some kind, etc...
You also wouldn't want to add any connecting wires etc.. between the blimp and gondola otherwise you'd need methods of making them all separate (although magnets would be an obvious choice to make this happen).

tho having written the above the idea has a lot to be said for...if i can invest in some mock up time i will explore this idea some more...
Or
Make it look like the two can separate but not model them so they do actually separate. That only requires some clamps modelled on the the join and collapsed wings added to the gondola. Then you can be as complicated as you like (with wires/hoses/pipes) and not worry about how to actually remove the blimp from the gondola...

the last idea is sounding interesting... but no functon would mean more hassle with no actual benefits than rule of cool and i think atm has already pumping around as it is... tho i apreciate the thought...

Theophony wrote:No separation. The captain must go down with the blimp. Flaming Hindenburg style. Only those who expect to be defeated come up with an escape route.

and again... you win the trophy for cool remarks!!! specially the last part is as tough as it gets!!! should be engraved on some cool looking shotguns stock

storag wrote:
Soooo, what's the point in giving out awesome ideas if you're forgotten so soon eh?
mea culpa! i humbly bow before you!


And back to the topic...

I think one of the reasons your wife might think so are the hexagon windows you like so much. The problem in my opinion is that there are 2 of them and they are aligned in an "eye" pattern making the gondola look like some kind of insect. Like a big dragonfly. That's fine with me as it kinda create a steampunkish version of LEXX
even tho pic didn´t work... i do know the tv show... yup... i see your point!...the big eyes do suggest the dragin fly idea... tho i had a more nautilus insirational thing going on back then...
but she still got the point - somewhat mixed style.

The obvious possible solution is to make one window or to rotate them to vertical pattern. I actually would suggest rotating 'coz that way the piloting crew would have a better view on the ground . Like on this plane:
this needs more explaination by you... i didn´t get it as probably intended...



the second issue - the relatively small baloon for that gondola. That's a bigger problem, but i can see a solution in making a second identical baloon and hangin the gondola between the two. Like here:



Hope that'll help somehow

argh.... you´re delibratly trying to kill me here that WOW airship... yeah... that would work... but also would take me another millenia to finish...would you really want me to do that?


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 Camkierhi wrote:
I think you could maybe make it look like the gondola is separate and can fly under it's own steam. Swing wing effort with similar to your current tail fins. And either giant rocket engines or props mounted horizontally. Keep the vertical ones you have, but 2 horizontally mounted backward facing Rokkits. Anyone remember the airship from 3dmark 6th edition, I think it was. Very steam punk.




Put an upper deck to the gondola and suspend it slightly, two rokkit engines and away she goes.

that thought actually crossed my mind too... but then the big propeller engine on the back and the rudder would be obsolete?

Vik, what happened with the steampunk challenge? Did I miss it somewhere. Also your giving me ideas on a blimp, so you better hurry it up before I start my competing vessel. Of course it will have to be bigger, have more guns, and be crewed by servo skulls

Now I'm thinking about the airship in stardust. Lighting catchers anyone?

Ok here's a diagram of the keel idea.

argh.... you´re delibratly trying to kill me here that WOW airship... yeah... that would work... but also would take me another millenia to finish...would you really want me to do that?

Only if you like the idea and belive that it's what you want to see. The ship is fine as it is imo, but if you wished an alternative you now have it We have a saying that roughly translates as: "For a mad dogs seven miles is not a crook"

AND REMEMBER! NO PRESSURE, ABSOLUTELY NO PRESSURE! Am I right, folks?

PS
About the cabin, Imagine on of the windows facing about 45 degree downwards and the other one rearranged to face straight ahead. I'll try to draw it later.

So you ask for some critique / feedback / suggestions, here it is...

Your dirigible / blimp / zeppelin reminds me of this;

Looks okay, but a bit dainty - sure this image has no dakka or 'Vik style' but it's what I would imagine yours will end up looking like...

Then I saw your little wings and this came to mind...


But, TBH, I don't like either of them. I'm just not convinced that these are the right direction for your wondorous creation, yes it's steampunk, but it's not Vik Steampunk...

So then I got to thinking and stumbled over this...



Yes, it's a total restyling / rebuild but it looks A.W.E.S.O.M.E. It even has a shark face and 'uge bombs, so win, win. Could do with more dakka and rivets, but that's an easy fix for you

Vik, not sure if you saw this, might be the return of the airship to the military usage
http://m.inhabitat.com/inhabitat/#!/entry/amazing-aeros-pelican-airships-set-to-fly-by-2013,509c3105d7fc7b567050acfe/1

So many blimps here. Has left me confused.

Theophony wrote:Vik, what happened with the steampunk challenge? Did I miss it somewhere. Also your giving me ideas on a blimp, so you better hurry it up before I start my competing vessel. Of course it will have to be bigger, have more guns, and be crewed by servo skulls

werrrllll.... i still want to start this... currently there are a great many of my friends online... so i toss this question into our round now: would you want to join a combined lego and scratchbuilding challenge?... create something steampunky looking from lego and the remodel it with whatever you can get hold of and copy the earlier build?
if enough peeps want to join i will set out an award even

inmygravenimage wrote:Now I'm thinking about the airship in stardust. Lighting catchers anyone?

had to look that up again... i saw that movie... probably deneiro´s hilarious acting role ever^^

Camkierhi wrote:Ok here's a diagram of the keel idea.

lovley cam!... in fact i ahve started already with two versions of tesla Zappers...no pics currently... but i think this is doable! (and i need to make some lightning bolts too^^)

storag wrote:

argh.... you´re delibratly trying to kill me here that WOW airship... yeah... that would work... but also would take me another millenia to finish...would you really want me to do that?

Only if you like the idea and belive that it's what you want to see. The ship is fine as it is imo, but if you wished an alternative you now have it We have a saying that roughly translates as: "For a mad dogs seven miles is not a crook"

AND REMEMBER! NO PRESSURE, ABSOLUTELY NO PRESSURE! Am I right, folks?

PS
About the cabin, Imagine on of the windows facing about 45 degree downwards and the other one rearranged to face straight ahead. I'll try to draw it later.

er... the windows are stuck on... glued in fact... no movement whatsoever possible... but i grant you... cool idea!... HA! pressure *chews nails off*... what´s that?^^

Ruglud wrote:So you ask for some critique / feedback / suggestions, here it is...

Your dirigible / blimp / zeppelin reminds me of this;

Looks okay, but a bit dainty - sure this image has no dakka or 'Vik style' but it's what I would imagine yours will end up looking like...

Then I saw your little wings and this came to mind...


But, TBH, I don't like either of them. I'm just not convinced that these are the right direction for your wondorous creation, yes it's steampunk, but it's not Vik Steampunk...

So then I got to thinking and stumbled over this...



Yes, it's a total restyling / rebuild but it looks A.W.E.S.O.M.E. It even has a shark face and 'uge bombs, so win, win. Could do with more dakka and rivets, but that's an easy fix for you

funny thing is if you search the dakka gallery you will find already said model here done by a fellow ork payer... and i never knew i already coined a new style...

'Vik style'

coool!

Theophony wrote:Vik, not sure if you saw this, might be the return of the airship to the military usage
http://m.inhabitat.com/inhabitat/#!/entry/amazing-aeros-pelican-airships-set-to-fly-by-2013,509c3105d7fc7b567050acfe/1

sadly it isn´t working for me? cant see anything... just the top left corner is to be seen and nothing more??

cormadepanda wrote:So many blimps here. Has left me confused.

ha!... yeah... and now image being the one to build an airship... it´s like walking into the candy store


well gents and ladies...see that headline? :



i´ve started to pimp the blimp

the edges of the blimp now get some serious Vik style redecorating ...
hopefully it will look sharp enough afterwards

here are some pics... and to make it better grasped... even some scaleshots of working men on the drydocks^^











note: the material i use for this is colored cardboard... it comes in rather wide sheats and is sturdy enough... well sturdy enough for two sides each length anyway...

cheers, vik

Liked the ribbed look vik. The article page is weird, it scrolls sideways on my iPad, took me a few times loading it for it to work. Basically the us military is testing a new system that will bring back airships if it works correctly. It pressurized the helium instead of releasing it out to maintain heights. To me it sounds like a ballast system in submarines. Testing was to be in 2012-2013.

Good start Vik. I'm getting a very dragon vibe from those saw-teeth.

thanks... and yes... the saw teeth are party a weapon too... just as the nautilus had their "razorback" look not for nothing

and tho... started the page anew... nothing changes...:(

LOL! In Fallout-3 and FO:NV they have leather armor that looks amazingly like the road warriror and of course take the sawn off shotgun for the full image

what made me thinking was... why the full hype on gas in the post apocalypse always? honestly... what you never see in these themes is someone traveling via bicycles...???? wtf? no bikes left after the big bang? I think mechanical vehicles like these will be much more important than...

what made me thinking was... why the full hype on gas in the post apocalypse always? honestly... what you never see in these themes is someone traveling via bicycles...???? wtf? no bikes left after the big bang? I think mechanical vehicles like these will be much more important than...

I think the problem there is that post-apocalyptic setting is meant to be all scary and badass, and bikes don't come into that a whole lot if they're not of the motor variety

In Thunderdome there were people using bicycles, including the guy selling the radioactive water

Eeerrmmmm radioactive water quenches all thirsts

The "Airship" is moving along quite nicely Vik liking the detailing you're adding, great that most things have a dual purpose as well not just decorative

Hell I think you might actually finish this one

He had better.....

Looking great. Love the spikes. Just need riveting in place now!!

Well, you never no with Vik this is his Mount Everest after all.

 Viktor von Domm wrote:

The little baby croc looks very comfy on your sofa Vik...

shrike wrote:

what made me thinking was... why the full hype on gas in the post apocalypse always? honestly... what you never see in these themes is someone traveling via bicycles...???? wtf? no bikes left after the big bang? I think mechanical vehicles like these will be much more important than...

I think the problem there is that post-apocalyptic setting is meant to be all scary and badass, and bikes don't come into that a whole lot if they're not of the motor variety

well, yes.... i know thinking in a more realistc way is stupid... but really... a well kept bicycle is then worth quite a bit in my view...and honestly... where is the honor in going by foot

shasolenzabi wrote:In Thunderdome there were people using bicycles, including the guy selling the radioactive water

i can´t remember that falla anymore?

lone dirty dog wrote:Eeerrmmmm radioactive water quenches all thirsts

The "Airship" is moving along quite nicely Vik liking the detailing you're adding, great that most things have a dual purpose as well not just decorative

Hell I think you might actually finish this one

hahaha...er...*coughs* ha...ha...er...d´oh

Camkierhi wrote:He had better.....

Looking great. Love the spikes. Just need riveting in place now!!

you bet there will be rivets galore... oh my...^^

lone dirty dog wrote:Well, you never no with Vik this is his Mount Everest after all.

er... with this you are actually straight to the point... i even refer to it in a similar metaphor

Ruglud wrote:

The little baby croc looks very comfy on your sofa Vik...

LOL....

Haha your little newspaper thing is cool! May Rivet Zen be with you!