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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 05:41:41
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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"If an artist takes inspiration from another artists vision it is not exactly plagiarism."
Wonderful truism/tautology there. Of course it isn't. Inspiration =/= Plagiarism. It never has.
I personally think that this Lammasu head was made to look like the old GW one. I also think that the Lammasu is a generic enough concept that GW shouldn't be able to claim ownership.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 05:51:40
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I'd agree that GW shouldn't be able to claim ownership of the term Lammasu, but their expression of it isn't the normally 'accepted' expression of a Lammasu.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 06:06:54
Subject: Re:Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Been Around the Block
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EYEofTERROR wrote:Complete BS. If an artist takes inspiration from another artists vision it is not exactly plagiarism. So apparently no other sculptor in the world is allowed to sculpt in a style similar to GW designs. If this were the comics industry then Jim Lee needs to sue everyone. Not to mention King Kirby. It looks vastly different to me, anyway. Artists be warned...you are not allowed to express yourselves in a similar way to the how GW artists express themselves. I think we should arrange a massive 90 day boycott of GW products sold from GW sources. That should humble those bloated fat bastards.
Could someone make Awesomeman with the Superman logo with an 'A' instead of an 'S' and not expect legal action? Especially if that character was being used to sell comics?
GW artists aren't expressing themselves, they're making illustrations for copyrighted material, it's a job.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Trasvi wrote:^^ Babylon Lamassu has horns sculpted onto his hat. The spiraly things.
..and so the Raging Heroes Lammasu is closer visually to the Babylonian or GW version?
If I were to pick an origin point for the Raging heroes Lammasu, it wouldn't be the Babylonian version, nor many of the others I've seen on the net.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 06:15:50
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
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The GW lammassu is a lammasu with a scowly face and bristly beard.
The Raging Heroes lammassu is a lammassu with a scowly face and bristly beard.
The original lammassu has a calm face and non-bristly beard.
Are we to suppose that only GW are allowed to take a mythological creature and make its face scowly and its beard bristly?
What creative genius is required to "add moar skullz" to something and make it an original design worthy of protection?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 06:26:45
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Camouflaged Zero
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At the risk of sounding stupid, couldn't Raging Heroes just change the name of their piece? At least half of the c&d seems to stem from the fact that the head is referred to as a lamassu head. Because the actual figures only share a very basic resemblance.
On a side note, the quote about GW and their "fortress wall and moat" is both disturbing and disgusting. What goes through their deranged minds? Do they think they've walled off all other game companies? Or, are the fortress and moat meant to keep us in?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 06:40:28
Subject: Re:Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Could someone make Awesomeman with the Superman logo with an 'A' instead of an 'S' and not expect legal action? Especially if that character was being used to sell comics?
Oh yes. There are many Superman clones out there; Supreme, Superior to name a couple. Superman is the most influential comic hero of all time. He is as generic as a Lammasu. Superman may as well be named Super hero. He is the template for countless heroes in comics. You're probably right about GW artists not expressing themselves through their art, too. What a ridiculous statement. Yeah...they would probably rather be sculpting precious moments dolls, they only work for GW cuz they have to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 06:52:46
Subject: Re:Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Been Around the Block
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EYEofTERROR wrote:Could someone make Awesomeman with the Superman logo with an 'A' instead of an 'S' and not expect legal action? Especially if that character was being used to sell comics?
Oh yes. There are many Superman clones out there; Supreme, Superior to name a couple. Superman is the most influential comic hero of all time. He is as generic as a Lammasu. Superman may as well be named Super hero. He is the template for countless heroes in comics. You're probably right about GW artists not expressing themselves through their art, too. What a ridiculous statement. Yeah...they would probably rather be sculpting precious moments dolls, they only work for GW cuz they have to.
Er, Supreme looks nothing like Superman, he looks much less like Superman than the Raging Lammasu looks like the GW Lammasu.
I love your take on the commercial art scene, it doesn't matter that the artist wants to be there, it matters that they produce for a client/employer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 07:28:37
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Kilkrazy wrote:The GW lammassu is a lammasu with a scowly face and bristly beard.
The Raging Heroes lammassu is a lammassu with a scowly face and bristly beard.
The original lammassu has a calm face and non-bristly beard.
Are we to suppose that only GW are allowed to take a mythological creature and make its face scowly and its beard bristly?
What creative genius is required to "add moar skullz" to something and make it an original design worthy of protection?
If a Lammasu goes to war ( as the GW sculpt portrays ) im sure it'll be fierce and angry.
As far as we know the ancient none GW Lammasu are just "chilling" for the artists :'D
So if GW wants to win the lawsuit , they have to proof that the RL Lammasu never gets angry and never change its facial expression.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 07:30:30
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 07:33:00
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Guildsman wrote:On a side note, the quote about GW and their "fortress wall and moat" is both disturbing and disgusting. What goes through their deranged minds? Do they think they've walled off all other game companies? Or, are the fortress and moat meant to keep us in?
The latter. Or rather, they don't care if we stay in their games, but god forbid we want to find alternatives for their badly-sculpted, overpriced, over-engineered, misbegotten piles of excrement. Both GW rules and models are riddled with creative bankruptcy and tedious lack of ideas. Everything is paint-by-numbers, standardised, boring, drab, predictable. Every Fantasy army gets a giant war machine kit that has two or three options (Warsphinx, warp lightning cannon, arachnarok). Every 40k army gets a fast transport to enable mechanised play (stormraven, valkyrie, raider, stormraven again). You could probably build a computer algorithm to predict upcoming releases.
That's what the fortress is. The Fortress of Arrogance and Painful Mediocrity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 07:35:14
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
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Agamemnon2 wrote:You could probably build a computer algorithm to predict upcoming releases.
Heh. The phrase " What will be the 'Oval base release' for the new Codex?" has become something we say quite a bit. We're always guessing what will be the next army to get an oval base model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 07:38:03
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:You could probably build a computer algorithm to predict upcoming releases.
Heh. The phrase " What will be the 'Oval base release' for the new Codex?" has become something we say quite a bit. We're always guessing what will be the next army to get an oval base model.
Next summer, we get Eldar. The oval base = new Avatar. and Phoenix
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 08:11:11
Subject: Re:Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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EYEofTERROR wrote:Could someone make Awesomeman with the Superman logo with an 'A' instead of an 'S' and not expect legal action? Especially if that character was being used to sell comics
Oh yes. There are many Superman clones out there; Supreme, Superior to name a couple. Superman is the most influential comic hero of all time. He is as generic as a Lammasu. Superman may as well be named Super hero. He is the template for countless heroes in comics. You're probably right about GW artists not expressing themselves through their art, too. What a ridiculous statement. Yeah...they would probably rather be sculpting precious moments dolls, they only work for GW cuz they have to.
It entirely depends on the level of similarity.
'Substantially Similar' is supposed to protect someone completely making a carbon copy of your work, and then changing minuscule details in order to claim originality. I can't write a book called 'Space Wars' about Lukas SkyStalker and his nemesis Death Vayda... unless it was a parody, of course.
If your hero was clad in Blue and Red, with the symbol being a red A on a yellow background in a diamond shape, and coming from the planet Argon with his weakness being Argonite... then yes, that would be substantially similar and you would get sued.
However, just because a hero comes from another planet, or wears his logo on his chest, or wears super-tight fitting clothes with his undies on the outside, doesn't make him a Superman clone, because all of those elements are iconic elements of super heroes. Superficially similar, but not substantially.
Same with the Lamassu. A lamassu by nature must have a bull's body, human head, and eagles wings. Following the ancient depictions of Lamassu, they also probably have a beard, and bulls horns. The beard probably isn't strictly necessary, but it serves well to make it appear more bestial (and also helps with the artisic issue of how a human head joins a bull body). The braided beard is also in the babylonian statues. The nose ring is a logical step from bull's body.
Fact is, the entire model is different in pose and nature. Most similarities are either intrinsic or logical. Significant original artistic effort went into designing the head - it is blatantly obvious that it was not cast off the GW one. In the end, the best GW could hope for is 'inspired by', which is perfectly legal for Raging Heroes to do. Automatically Appended Next Post: LunaHound wrote:
If a Lammasu goes to war ( as the GW sculpt portrays ) im sure it'll be fierce and angry.
As far as we know the ancient none GW Lammasu are just "chilling" for the artists :'D
So if GW wants to win the lawsuit , they have to proof that the RL Lammasu never gets angry and never change its facial expression.
^^ Agreed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 10:48:26
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Rifleman Grey Knight Venerable Dreadnought
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Kilkrazy wrote:
What creative genius is required to "add moar skullz" to something and make it an original design worthy of protection?
GW may try to copyright Skullz soon...
Also, check out page 33 of their latest Business Plan. GW's new growth strategy is to take existing sculpts and... ADD MOAR SKULLZ
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We can't help that american D&D is pretty much daily life for us (Aussies)
Walking to shops, "i'll take a short cut through this bush", random encounter! Lizard with no legs.....
I kid  Since i avoid bushlands that is
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 10:53:02
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Kanluwen wrote:Facts are, these companies rely on GW's customer base and GW's games for business.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I love the idea that the market for these companies wouldn't exist without GW. Jeez Kan... they've got you hook, line and sinker don't they? 
Reminds me:
Tin Soldiers have been a major part of the toy "industry" for about 200 years, quite dominant before WW2. So dominant that Hans Christian Andersen made a fairy tale named "The Steadfast Tin Soldier" published 1838 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steadfast_Tin_Soldier ) ! No, there was no GW around then. They started freeriding on D&D's success more than a hundred years later. Now GW uses its anti-marketing, so that tin soldiers don't become a major toy again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 10:59:54
Subject: Re:Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Been Around the Block
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EYEofTERROR wrote:Could someone make Awesomeman with the Superman logo with an 'A' instead of an 'S' and not expect legal action? Especially if that character was being used to sell comics
Same with the Lamassu. A lamassu by nature must have a bull's body, human head, and eagles wings. Following the ancient depictions of Lamassu, they also probably have a beard, and bulls horns. The beard probably isn't strictly necessary, but it serves well to make it appear more bestial (and also helps with the artisic issue of how a human head joins a bull body). The braided beard is also in the babylonian statues. The nose ring is a logical step from bull's body.
Fact is, the entire model is different in pose and nature. Most similarities are either intrinsic or logical. Significant original artistic effort went into designing the head - it is blatantly obvious that it was not cast off the GW one. In the end, the best GW could hope for is 'inspired by', which is perfectly legal for Raging Heroes to do.
Looking at the proportions and details they could have been executed in many other ways but happen to look very close to the GW version. Including the rest of the physical appearance is neither here nor there, GW didn't ask Raging Heroes to scrap the whole miniature, just the bit that looked derivative.
As to your Superman example, I agree, but in the example of Supreme, he lacks the level of visual similarity to Superman (he looked more like Capt. Marvel) that these Lammasu heads have to one another.
Put the Babylonian image next to a picture of the GW Lammasu and the RH Lammasu and tell me which ones 'logically' belong together.
You could argue it's convergent, but frankly there are plenty of other roads they could have gone down visually.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 11:03:52
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Guildsman wrote:At the risk of sounding stupid, couldn't Raging Heroes just change the name of their piece?
The name should be the least concern. Lamassu is in the public domain. If you mean can they just change the name to make enough of a disconnect between their sculpture and GW's?-Not really. The issue GW has is supposedly an issue of the sculpts similarity, it doesn't matter what its called... the court would only care if Raging Heroe's sculpture is similar to such a degree that it could be a copy.
Kanluwen wrote:I'd agree that GW shouldn't be able to claim ownership of the term Lammasu, but their expression of it isn't the normally 'accepted' expression of a Lammasu.
Raging Heroes isn't exactly a normal expression of a Lamassu either. Its a manticore body with a humonoid bull head... that really makes it chimera of sorts and a big deviation from the concept.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I personally think that this Lammasu head was made to look like the old GW one. I also think that the Lammasu is a generic enough concept that GW shouldn't be able to claim ownership.
People are only looking at the head, because thats what GW stopped them from selling. The court on the otherhand would address how the completely assembled model appears. In that regard the two models have very little in common. A nose ring and similar but differently detailed horns and beard.
The concept of this being a Lamassu, a public domain concept, is only to Raging Heroes advantage... but lets ignore that contextual aspect... what GW's effectively doing is barring someone from sculpting a particular generic style of beard and decorated horns, and nose ring... without regard for the rest of the model. The fact is GW's complaint really hinges on such small details, relative to the whole model that their trying to monopolize three generic design elements.
Trasvi wrote:
Same with the Lamassu. A lamassu by nature must have a bull's body, human head, and eagles wings. Following the ancient depictions of Lamassu, they also probably have a beard, and bulls horns. The beard probably isn't strictly necessary, but it serves well to make it appear more bestial (and also helps with the artisic issue of how a human head joins a bull body). The braided beard is also in the babylonian statues. The nose ring is a logical step from bull's body.
Fact is, the entire model is different in pose and nature. Most similarities are either intrinsic or logical. Significant original artistic effort went into designing the head - it is blatantly obvious that it was not cast off the GW one. In the end, the best GW could hope for is 'inspired by', which is perfectly legal for Raging Heroes to do.
Add to that Raging Heroes Lamassu doesn't have a bulls body... that I think is a strong distinction between theirs and GW's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 11:10:48
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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H.B.M.C. wrote:"If an artist takes inspiration from another artists vision it is not exactly plagiarism."
Wonderful truism/tautology there. Of course it isn't. Inspiration =/= Plagiarism. It never has.
I personally think that this Lammasu head was made to look like the old GW one. I also think that the Lammasu is a generic enough concept that GW shouldn't be able to claim ownership.
Ayup. And personally I think the sculpt was different enough to say it wasnt the say anyways. It had WAY more detail on it and the horns were this side of awesome. In all honesty, this would be like them suing EVERY game maker that makes zombie minis, just because they are zombies
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/23 12:10:48
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Agamemnon2 wrote:Guildsman wrote:On a side note, the quote about GW and their "fortress wall and moat" is both disturbing and disgusting. What goes through their deranged minds? Do they think they've walled off all other game companies? Or, are the fortress and moat meant to keep us in?
The latter. Or rather, they don't care if we stay in their games, but god forbid we want to find alternatives for their badly-sculpted, overpriced, over-engineered, misbegotten piles of excrement. Both GW rules and models are riddled with creative bankruptcy and tedious lack of ideas. Everything is paint-by-numbers, standardised, boring, drab, predictable. Every Fantasy army gets a giant war machine kit that has two or three options (Warsphinx, warp lightning cannon, arachnarok). Every 40k army gets a fast transport to enable mechanised play (stormraven, valkyrie, raider, stormraven again). You could probably build a computer algorithm to predict upcoming releases.
That's what the fortress is. The Fortress of Arrogance and Painful Mediocrity.
Christ. I want to sig that.
Though I would probably chop it down to:
[GW] don't care if we stay in their games, but god forbid we want to find alternatives for their badly-sculpted, overpriced, over-engineered, misbegotten piles of excrement. Both GW rules and models are riddled with creative bankruptcy and tedious lack of ideas.
That's what the fortress is. The Fortress of Arrogance and Painful Mediocrity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 17:47:45
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Hmmm, Thread Necromancy, but...
Raging Heroes now sells the 'Lamassu head' separately, renaming it a Shedu or Evil Sphynx Head'.
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 18:44:17
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 18:52:52
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Smooth move, like ordering a half pint of cider, half pint of lager and an empty pint glass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 19:02:43
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Looks like the chapterhouse funny business is starting to strengthen some resolve out there in other areas. About time really. Once one of them makes a stand thats strong enough, the rest are willing to stand up.
And I'm sorry but they should have fought that one day one. GW is incapable of makine a sculpt like that IMO. But yes, depending on the usage, you can copyright a general term. I saw this in paintball when 2 events in different parts of the country wanted to call it D-Day, the one in oklahoma copyrighted the term so forced the Penn one invasion of normandy.
But depending on the scupt and its usage, it can be contested "yours is a mythical beast, Mines a pickup truck"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 19:07:32
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This is old news, AND they resculpted it. I liked the original a lot more, but it was closer to GW's look, whereas the resculpt was more generic.
But the resculpt has been out for at least a year already...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 19:09:47
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It would seem an obvious path to create heads for things, bodies etc and then put up photos of 'some of the combinations you can achieve'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 21:12:05
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:It would seem an obvious path to create heads for things, bodies etc and then put up photos of 'some of the combinations you can achieve'.
I have seen a few Kickstarters follow this model. They make one model and then a totally unrelated 'upgrade' set which is not directly intended for the original model. And if people somehow combine the two kits, then 'oh well...'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 21:58:30
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Paitryn wrote:
And I'm sorry but they should have fought that one day one. GW is incapable of makine a sculpt like that IMO. But yes, depending on the usage, you can copyright a general term. I saw this in paintball when 2 events in different parts of the country wanted to call it D-Day, the one in oklahoma copyrighted the term so forced the Penn one invasion of normandy.
Unfortunately it takes money to do it. GW and their team of lawyers are more than capable of slowly bleeding small companies out of business. Reference the recent-ish Spots the Space Marine cases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 06:04:25
Subject: Games Workshop strikes again... (Raging heroes Lammasu head)
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Raging Ravener
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I love that this is separate! I've got a great idea for a Babylonian daemon prince!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 06:12:58
Subject: Raging heroes Lammasu head...update 2013 on pg 6
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Preacher of the Emperor
At a Place, Making Dolls Great Again
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one day GW is gonna bite off way more then they can chew and go after someone they really shouldn't have and get their ass handed to them
(I'll bet Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro I am unsure if they are sister companies or Hasbro owns WotC)
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Make Dolls Great Again
Clover/Trump 2016
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 09:26:27
Subject: Raging heroes Lammasu head...update 2013 on pg 6
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Mimetic Bagh-Mari
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This is really old news. Even the head being sold separate is old news. Not that I don't love a heavy dose of G-Dubya bashin' and watching all my favorite part time hobbyist part time I.P. lawyers debate Superman in a forum about alternative parts for a mythological creature. You got the fan boys coming out. The anti conglomerate crowd the whole gangs here....
GW is dying a slow death.... the more companies that come out with new products the more kickstarters we support the faster GW dies. I could care less if 1million knock off companies make after market parts or alternative models ... GW is looking more n more lazy and redundant with every release the old guard that made the company what it is have all moved on and all that's left is garbage, garbage models, ideas, and rules.
90% of their ideas are stolen anyway serves em' right. Trying to patent and I.P. Tolkien and many other peoples ideas and the ball to think they can hold rights to mythological creatures ...
Anyway Superman, Supreme, Shazam.... go on.
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