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@Kain: You ninja'd me with your reference. But yes, if the Genestealers psychic connection is disrupted by a blank, and Genestealers are tyranids, then its logical to assume that the tyranids connection is based on the same psychic link IE. the warp. AFAIK, there isn't any evidence of another connection.

Deadshot wrote: @ Melissa

Citation required.


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Personnaly, I don.not.like this idea that the hive mind is.a collective concious of all tyranids. Termagants can't access this by themselves. They need synapse.creatures. Everything in the last two codexes points to the Hive Mind being a singluar organism.

If by everything you mean absolutely nothing then yes. The Hive Mind is not some giant brain you can go out and stab like the overmind, it is the immortal hunger of an entire species that exists only to consume. While Synapse creatures definitely are the ones who contribute the most to the hive mind, all Tyranids under the synapse web add up to the hive mind. From the lowliest phage cell to the biggest hive ship, some organisms are given some leeway from the racial will of the hive mind, but in the end every single Tyranid is subject to it and has no ability or desire to resist because it is them. The Tyranids and the Hive Mind are no more separated than your brain cells are separate from your brain.

Am I too late for this?

They're fleeing from matt ward.

Thank you!

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Deadshot wrote: @ Melissa

Citation required.

Tabletop. FFG. The Cain books.

Deadshot wrote:They need synapse.creatures.

Because synapse creatures are psykers who can access the warp and thus access the hive mind.

The hive mind may act as a singular entity but it's still a warp entity and thus they need psychic creatures to connect to it. Just because it is an amalgam of tyranid souls doesn't mean that all tyranids can connect to it. Humans have a presence in the warp but the average human still has little connection to the warp (same with Orks, though their gestalt field is unique).

Melissia wrote:

Deadshot wrote:They need synapse.creatures.

Because synapse creatures are psykers who can access the warp and thus access the hive mind.

The hive mind may act as a singular entity but it's still a warp entity and thus they need psychic creatures to connect to it. Just because it is an amalgam of tyranid souls doesn't mean that all tyranids can connect to it. Humans have a presence in the warp but the average human still has little connection to the warp (same with Orks, though their gestalt field is unique).

Ack read the codices... They have no contact what so ever with the warp. the warp is a milky way phenomena, and Tyranid's are extragalactic, also the face that the codices state their psychic powers have nothing to do with the warp as well helps. And I quote:

"Tyranid Psykers:

Many tyranid creatures are also psykers. they do not draw power from the warp in any fathomable way, but rather they harness a fraction of the hive mind's gestalt will. this makes no difference for game purposes and these models still follow all the normal rules for psykers - a perils of the warp attack instead representing massive cerebral trauma or synaptic feedback. "

5th Edition Codex Tyranids. Page 33

Perhaps they are fleeing a galaxy core explosion; In the ringworld books (another genre alltogether) Ultra powerful races flee the galactic center because the ultra-dence star fields start to go nova, causing other nearby stars to go nova as-well.

In this scenario, a wave of radiation expelled from the galactic core threatens to kill everyone and everything in the galaxy as it expands out from the exploding center. The aliens in the ring world series try their escape by fleeing behind large bodies of mass (nebulea), hoping that it will shield them from the radiation.

Massive galactic scale radioactive destruction seems like something the hive mind would consider a propper threat, since it can wipe the entire race, rather than just small parts of it.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:Ack read the codices... They have no contact what so ever with the warp. the warp is a milky way phenomena,

Given that Orks have used warp travel to reach other galaxies, this is not true.

And where is this that says they used warp travel to get there?

Because that's how Orks travel. They have no other FTL travel.

Where does it say they have travelled to other gaklaxies from ours? Or vice versa?

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Deadshot wrote:They need synapse.creatures.

Because synapse creatures are psykers who can access the warp and thus access the hive mind.

The hive mind may act as a singular entity but it's still a warp entity and thus they need psychic creatures to connect to it. Just because it is an amalgam of tyranid souls doesn't mean that all tyranids can connect to it. Humans have a presence in the warp but the average human still has little connection to the warp (same with Orks, though their gestalt field is unique).

Ack read the codices... They have no contact what so ever with the warp. the warp is a milky way phenomena, and Tyranid's are extragalactic, also the face that the codices state their psychic powers have nothing to do with the warp as well helps. And I quote:

"Tyranid Psykers:

Many tyranid creatures are also psykers. they do not draw power from the warp in any fathomable way, but rather they harness a fraction of the hive mind's gestalt will. this makes no difference for game purposes and these models still follow all the normal rules for psykers - a perils of the warp attack instead representing massive cerebral trauma or synaptic feedback. "

5th Edition Codex Tyranids. Page 33

The warp is not limited to the galaxy. Chaos is, but the warp=/=Chaos. In the regions of space between galaxies the warp is pretty much calm and still, but going into it without a reference point like the astronomicon is a great way to end up traveling through a great big heaping pile of nothing for all eternity. And please refer to my analogy. The Tyranids use the Hive Mind as a filter for their psychic power, but the hive mind is still based in the warp. I thought that my analogy would have been eloquent enough to be easily grasped, but apparently I was wrong.

davou wrote:Perhaps they are fleeing a galaxy core explosion; In the ringworld books (another genre alltogether) Ultra powerful races flee the galactic center because the ultra-dence star fields start to go nova, causing other nearby stars to go nova as-well.

In this scenario, a wave of radiation expelled from the galactic core threatens to kill everyone and everything in the galaxy as it expands out from the exploding center. The aliens in the ring world series try their escape by fleeing behind large bodies of mass (nebulea), hoping that it will shield them from the radiation.

Massive galactic scale radioactive destruction seems like something the hive mind would consider a propper threat, since it can wipe the entire race, rather than just small parts of it.

Except that such a catastrophe wouldn't extend much past the galactic core and even then it's effects would only travel at the speed of light, taking tens of thousands of years to reach the mid regions of a milky way like galaxy, where the background radiation is low enough while the metallic content is high enough to form a galactic goldilock's zone for habitable planets, with whatever is left of it's energy, which isn't going to be much as it wastes much of that energy expanding in all directions. I've dabbled a bit in astronomy and astrophysics, while I'm certainly no match for anyone with so much as an associate's degree in either subject, I know enough to tell you that this theory is simply implausible in the extreme.

Squats

The Old C'tan could alter the laws of physics at will. Maybe that's what happened in the case of a galactic meltdown.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:"Tyranid Psykers:

Many tyranid creatures are also psykers. they do not draw power from the warp in any fathomable way, but rather they harness a fraction of the hive mind's gestalt will. this makes no difference for game purposes and these models still follow all the normal rules for psykers - a perils of the warp attack instead representing massive cerebral trauma or synaptic feedback. "

Because the Imperium can't figure out how they're accessing the warp, they must be doing something else?

This is the same Imperium that thinks Orks fire guns psychically, because they can't figure out how the gun is meant to work.

Psychic powers in 40k use the Warp. Either by accessing it and using it in the material plane (psykers) or by nullifying it around them (nulls). If the Hive Mind is a psychic conglomeration of Tyranids minds (it is) it's in the warp somewhere, because it's a collection of psychic power. Even the way they've described synapse creatures points to this.

"The Hive Mind holds all Tyranids in a psychic bond that enables them to act together as one gestalt organism. It is a single coordinating sentience formed from untold billions of individual consciousnesses."

"The Hive Minds influence is strongest in the vicinity of creatures such as Tyranid Warriors and the feared Hive Tyrants. These beings are able to communicate with their kin, not through language, but by an instinctive form of telepathythrough which they channel the will of the Hive Mind."

It's a psychic collective consciousness, but the synapse creatures act as control hubs. Since its a collection of psychic energy, and psychic energy in 40k is in the warp, the hive mind sits in the warp. Synapse creatures are just listening to what the consciousness (the brain) wants the swarm (the body) to do, and directs its local area (the limbs), injecting a bit of battlefield tactics with it. This isn't really complicated.

Kain wrote:

Except that such a catastrophe wouldn't extend much past the galactic core and even then it's effects would only travel at the speed of light, taking tens of thousands of years to reach the mid regions of a milky way like galaxy, where the background radiation is low enough while the metallic content is high enough to form a galactic goldilock's zone for habitable planets, with whatever is left of it's energy, which isn't going to be much as it wastes much of that energy expanding in all directions. I've dabbled a bit in astronomy and astrophysics, while I'm certainly no match for anyone with so much as an associate's degree in either subject, I know enough to tell you that this theory is simply implausible in the extreme.

For any creature with the foresight and lifespan to make a decision like "I think I'll hop across the pond and visit that galaxy" hundreds of thousands of years is the blink of an eye.

A galactic core event is much more scary than you seem to allow for. In the event of a small hiccup by the galactic core, planets as far out as us get buffeted by the full em spectrum, and there's even evidence that matter can make the distance between the core and outlying regions. Here's a paper that talks about energy levels caused by single novae in the galactic core. A propagational wave of them in such a densly packed region of space could be just as bad as being local to a nova.

The arguable and disprovable thing here, is that an event of that sort can be propagated. Novas aren't something that stars do when you tease them about being fat. They only happen in specific cases; but hey, following the rulse laid out by physics isnt GW's big concern is it?

aw, you win the SHELDON award there.

I'm unsubscribing from this thread as your all either taking the word of the fluff anally or just being stupid...

-Loki- wrote:Many tyranid creatures are also psykers. they do not draw power from the warp in any fathomable way

IE they don't understand it.

It's hard for non-psykers to fathom the warp in the first place, even psykers are often unable to agree on its nature.

davou wrote:

Kain wrote:

Except that such a catastrophe wouldn't extend much past the galactic core and even then it's effects would only travel at the speed of light, taking tens of thousands of years to reach the mid regions of a milky way like galaxy, where the background radiation is low enough while the metallic content is high enough to form a galactic goldilock's zone for habitable planets, with whatever is left of it's energy, which isn't going to be much as it wastes much of that energy expanding in all directions. I've dabbled a bit in astronomy and astrophysics, while I'm certainly no match for anyone with so much as an associate's degree in either subject, I know enough to tell you that this theory is simply implausible in the extreme.

For any creature with the foresight and lifespan to make a decision like "I think I'll hop across the pond and visit that galaxy" hundreds of thousands of years is the blink of an eye.

A galactic core event is much more scary than you seem to allow for. In the event of a small hiccup by the galactic core, planets as far out as us get buffeted by the full em spectrum, and there's even evidence that matter can make the distance between the core and outlying regions. Here's a paper that talks about energy levels caused by single novae in the galactic core. A propagational wave of them in such a densly packed region of space could be just as bad as being local to a nova.

The arguable and disprovable thing here, is that an event of that sort can be propagated. Novas aren't something that stars do when you tease them about being fat. They only happen in specific cases; but hey, following the rulse laid out by physics isnt GW's big concern is it?

Except that by the time it reaches the galactic midrim the matter would be so incredibly diffuse that it would be about as harmful as house dust being blown in your face. Space is *big*, if you shot a galaxy like the milky way with a shotgun style spread of one hundred billion planets from a distance of fifty thousand light years, you would hit maybe one or two objects total. 99% of a galaxy is empty space with maybe one hydrogen atom per ten cubic meters occupying it and dark matter that can't interact with normal matter in any meaningful way outside of gravitational means.

Multiple smaller explosions do not stack to become one large explosion. All of those supernovas going off at once would do precisely nothing to improve the range of their effect. At worst, it would be a inner rim problem. And inner rim worlds are outside of the galactic goldilock's zone of likely locations for habitable planets. In the midrim, where most habitable worlds would be found, the EM waves would have become incredibly diffuse by going out so far. In the outer rim, which admittedly isn't as likely a place to find habitable planets, if only for want of material to form planets, they probably would not be overly bothered.

And of course, there's the Tyranids seem to be able to strip a galaxy of pretty much any biomass within maybe a few thousand years at most even if they're being resisted, as opposed to tens of thousands, which would be the time frame needed for such an event to bother them. And of course, there's the fact that the Tyranids themselves have consistently proven to not really give two gaks about ionizing radiation, they are incredibly resistant to it, their hive ships being able to stroll through concentrations of cosmic rays that would easily be enough to outright sterilize an unprotected world.

So even if somehow the Tyranids took long enough for the core collapse to bother them, they're not going to be running from it like you would run away from a bomb's explosion, they'd just notice that there's no food to be had here and pack up and go somewhere else for some munchies.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:I'm unsubscribing from this thread as your all either taking the word of the fluff anally or just being stupid...

When you can provide an argument besides quoting the codex without putting work into interpreting it I'll be sure to consider this a valid complaint.

More than likely they're running from Orks

Kain wrote:

Except that by the time it reaches the galactic midrim the matter would be so incredibly diffuse that it would be about as harmful as house dust being blown in your face. Space is *big*, if you shot a galaxy like the milky way with a shotgun style spread of one hundred billion planets from a distance of fifty thousand light years, you would hit maybe one or two objects total. 99% of a galaxy is empty space with maybe one hydrogen atom per ten cubic meters occupying it and dark matter that can't interact with normal matter in any meaningful way outside of gravitational means.

Multiple smaller explosions do not stack to become one large explosion. All of those supernovas going off at once would do precisely nothing to improve the range of their effect. At worst, it would be a inner rim problem. And inner rim worlds are outside of the galactic goldilock's zone of likely locations for habitable planets. In the midrim, where most habitable worlds would be found, the EM waves would have become incredibly diffuse by going out so far. In the outer rim, which admittedly isn't as likely a place to find habitable planets, if only for want of material to form planets, they probably would not be overly bothered.

And of course, there's the Tyranids seem to be able to strip a galaxy of pretty much any biomass within maybe a few thousand years at most even if they're being resisted, as opposed to tens of thousands, which would be the time frame needed for such an event to bother them. And of course, there's the fact that the Tyranids themselves have consistently proven to not really give two gaks about ionizing radiation, they are incredibly resistant to it, their hive ships being able to stroll through concentrations of cosmic rays that would easily be enough to outright sterilize an unprotected world.

So even if somehow the Tyranids took long enough for the core collapse to bother them, they're not going to be running from it like you would run away from a bomb's explosion, they'd just notice that there's no food to be had here and pack up and go somewhere else for some munchies.

Again thats arguable. Extrasolar events are measuably influencial with regards to the local planetary and solar climate. Even a very diffuse particle bath can shift the spectrum of energy leaving a star, and while Nid's are fine to swim through some mean radiation, that don't mean they'd keep their talent for sudden adaptive mutation. Hell' some of them even died on Tarsis ultra cause they got too cold.

In all likelyhood though, if they're fleeing from something, its going to be something that GW can cast into miniatures and sell someday... Not a nasty cloud of EM radiation and dust.

And I did say that nova aren't a propagating event; but this is soft scifi, not physics grad school.

*Nerdhighfive* btw.

simple.

the tyranids are running away from chuck norris.

They could possibly be running from one thing

.... IN SPAAAAAAAAACE!!

New hives are entering each time kraken etc so they must have things to harvest in there own area or were would they keep getting there bio mass from for each fleet to be delayed if you get what i mean. some are leaving early other taking time to come so were ever they come from there must be some things to consume

Necromancy!

anyways, the nids could be fleeing from the Silent King and his goons.

DEYZ RUNNIN FROM DA BOYZ !!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!!

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Necromancy!

Right!? Been what? A year and a month? REDS8N Get on this quick!

My theories:
Wookies. Lotz and lotz of Wookies.
Yuuzhen Vong
Starvation
Other bigger stronger orks.
Surviving Brainboyz