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You are nothing short of amazing pre. Love the recap. I think I would hate playing against you in a tournament setting. Sounded fun, way to make a name for SoB.

I like to think that I am a good guy to play against.

I'm still kicking myself over the two outflank mistakes though. lol

Love seeing a bunch of new faces here! All the lists I saw were really solid hope you guys keep coming round!

Got my second league game in this week with the New list and it still is rocking people left and right. I pulled a KP mission with a vanguard deployment. My opponent ended up scooping at the top of four after a my Dreadknight punched his Necron Lord in the face and he fell over dead, The Score was 8 to 3 at the top of 4 and he decided that he didnt want to play out the rest of the game as I was just wrecking him in the back field. The only thing he could do was pick up 1 KP over the next 2 turns.

Nice, I'll have to tell Jeremy that his GK/SOB list is working well for others. He had a bad day on Saturday where Celestine refused to do her job whereas mine did her job and everyone elses.

@ 1250 points do you guys think that taking IG allies with SoB would be worth it? I really like using my Vendetta but at this low point range I might be spending too much on an allied HQ and Troop to get it. Figuring a basic CCS and single vet squad (both with a Lascannon) thats 160 points on models I dont really care about just to buy the flyer.

Not at that low points.

Yeah. While the only binding limit is on the second FOC I would follow that idea with allies too. I wouldnt field allies in any game less than 2k but that may just be me.

I run them at 1500 up, depending on core list.


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Sob would prob be 1500 for me. You lose too much otherwise.

I thought maybe I was spending too much for a flyer. Thanks for the input!
Next thing, would you use the Avenger Strike Fighter in that low point game? (Obviously im digging flyers) Since Sisters can take it as a HS choice it would be cool, but maybe overcosted at this low point match.
Lastly would you go Bastion/QG or ADL/QG? I hear the merits of both. Im leaning toward the ADL because I can use it for Exorcist vehicle cover.

If you're taking Retributors, I highly recommend the bastion. Otherwise, ADL/QG.

I don't have an opinion on the ASF since I've never fielded it.

God above this thread has gotten some serious love

Hehe. Welcome back.

Looking for a pure Sisters 1850 list, and have come up with this:

Celestine

(All BSS in rhinos with dozer blades)
2x BSS MM Flamer Combi-flamer
BSS 2xMG
BSS Heavy Flamer, Flamer, Combi-flamer

Seraphim (10) w/Handflamers and Eviscerator
2x MG Dom's in MM Immolator

2x Exorcists
Retributors

Aegisline with Icarus
==1890

I need to cut 40 points somewhere. Given I have 4 units that want faith, having no Jacobus makes me sad, but I really need the 4 troop choices for the missions we end up playing. As for the 40 points to cut? Probably going to drop the Icarus lascannon, so that's 35... I was tempted to drop the entire Aegis line, but I like being able to provide 4+ cover to the rhinos at midfield, and/or the exorcists in the back. The other 5 points will either come from the eviscerator, or turning the heavy flamer into another MM-flamer combination (although, I really want to try running a heavy flamer to deal with necron warrior blobs).

Thoughts? Where would you cut 40 points?

That is a ton of BSS. I would drop a rhino with dozer to get your 40 points. Put that squad on the Quad Gun or holding rear objective (2xMG squad) and give them a MM instead of a Melta.

Can't help but think there has to be something better to spend points on than 4 BSS though.

I actually like the idea of dropping the rhino and having those ladies man the gun.... nice.

The need for so many is just a result from the style of missions played - 5 objectives and table quarters for primary and secondary for example, is very hard to do anything but draw on without enough troops. Trust me, I sometimes wish it was just book missions

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
God above this thread has gotten some serious love

You know, I think I asked where you were a few pages back. Nice to see you back.
As far as running 5 BSS, I agree with pre. Its bad enough that we have to field 2. 5 is going to be more trouble than they are worth.

I've been playing tyranids since 6th dropped and since they have become quite popular here I want to move away from them and back to sisters again.

A recent tournament coming up lets me give them a try...I want to play sisters/gk but unfortunately I'm struggling for models in that regard. Instead I will most likely try sisters/ig. Is the general opinion that GK adds more for a sisters army these days than IG does? I may be able to borrow some gk...

2k

Celestine
Jacobus
Lord Commissar, power fist (maybe a Primaris Psyker instead?)

6 psykers + overseer

10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
Platoon Command Squad, naked
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe

10 seraphim, 2x2hand flamers, eviscerator
5 dominions, 2 meltas/combiplasma, rhino, searchlight
5 dominions, 2 meltas/combiplasma, rhino, searchlight

7 Retributors, 4 heavy bolters
Exorcist, searchlight
Exorcist, searchlight

Plan is to stick jacobus + guard character obviously in the blob, using them as a shield for my sisters on foot to advance behind. Dominions give me some speed to take out annoying targets early on or outflank. Seraphim are pretty good now, obviously with celestine again.
The psyker battle squad is to help against fateweaver who I have struggled with in the past as a sister player..hate that 2 headed chicken!

Seems really light on firepower for 2k.

Question that came up for me in a recent game, the Retributor's AoC rule, being that if one is killed before making attacks, they get their attacks at I1 and then the model is removed.
I get that, and understand that.
What we're not getting is how this interacts with overwatch. I shot and killed 3 models on overwatch, RAW since it's in the assault phase, they still get their attacks.
How would this work, as they aren't in B2B with anything, and are in fact not even in the assault?



BTW, if this has been answered, just toss me a link.

I just played a 1500 list and did really well against Orks. My list was (memory here)
Celestine
Jacobus
2 sister squads with 2 flamers and rhino with twin storm bolter
9 seraphim with 2 dual hand flamers
8 repentia and a mistress
2 excorsist with storm bolters
3 pentinent engines
Enemy list from memory
Warboss with cybork and eavy armor
12 lootas
30 boys with nob and pk
30 ard boys and nob
30 gretchin
2 deffkoptas
1 deffkopta
Ran Celestine with serephim and used her as front going up the field. Ran Jacobus with repentia that jacked a rhino from a bss. And ran the engines up the middle. The repentia did well on the assault with 5 attacks a piece with the help of Jacobus banner with the +1 attack on top of rage. They died quickly after the assault. The engines mopped up 60 boys by the end. Celestine with the seraphim hand flamers gave 31 wounds against grots and killed the warboss. I learned that Jacobus shouldn't be with the repentia even though that many attacks was awesome. I made 7 shield of faith rolls in a row with my opponents dice. All in all a very fun game against Orks. Very happy with the sisters

dpal666 wrote:
Question that came up for me in a recent game, the Retributor's AoC rule, being that if one is killed before making attacks, they get their attacks at I1 and then the model is removed.
I get that, and understand that.
What we're not getting is how this interacts with overwatch. I shot and killed 3 models on overwatch, RAW since it's in the assault phase, they still get their attacks.
How would this work, as they aren't in B2B with anything, and are in fact not even in the assault?



BTW, if this has been answered, just toss me a link.

Huh - I've been playing that dying to overwatch is just like dying to fire in the enemy turn, their AoF doesn't apply. But as written in the codex you are right, it looks like they should get to hit. The only argument against it would be that they can't move after dying, so their one hit is invalid, just as if they were not close enough to strike normally. Until somebody covers it in a FAQ, I imagine it might be a point of contention among the type of folks who run YMDC. I'll probably keep playing it as I have, just because that's the way that won't result in a 5 minute argument every game (usually a good way to tell the best interpretation of a rule, to my way of thinking).

Acts of Faith in the assault phase are used right before they strike blows (which would be the fight sub-phase). Which is after they move/get hit by overwatch.

But yeah, better to have that discussion in YMDC in detail.

Jpr wrote:

2k

Celestine
Jacobus
Lord Commissar, power fist (maybe a Primaris Psyker instead?)

6 psykers + overseer

10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
Platoon Command Squad, naked
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe

10 seraphim, 2x2hand flamers, eviscerator
5 dominions, 2 meltas/combiplasma, rhino, searchlight
5 dominions, 2 meltas/combiplasma, rhino, searchlight

7 Retributors, 4 heavy bolters
Exorcist, searchlight
Exorcist, searchlight

First of all, Pre is gonna hit me for this but ever since I read "You Know What" in the GK codex I've been struggling to justify playing grey knights at all. That being said, I feel like the IG are a better matchup anyway. I would suggest taking the IG as your main detatchment so you get out of the troops "Tax" for sisters. Shave off the second sisters squad. I would really drop the psykers as well. A buddy of mine has tried running them in the past and they never performed admirably. Even less so now that terrain has specific saves. After you take out those unit, work the list until you can make use of the IG tanks/ordnance because thats what their strength is. You might even just drop the SoB tanks for guard tanks. The idea for IG/SoB, from what I understand, is to use the SoB as an auxilary force to intercept mobile enemy anti armor so that your tanks are well protected. Then you advance up the line with a sisters squad in a rhino while the IG armor cuts down things that would threaten them.

Jpr wrote:

2k

Celestine
Jacobus
Lord Commissar, power fist (maybe a Primaris Psyker instead?)

6 psykers + overseer

10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
10 sisters, mm/melta/combiplasma
Platoon Command Squad, naked
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe
Infantry Squad, power axe

10 seraphim, 2x2hand flamers, eviscerator
5 dominions, 2 meltas/combiplasma, rhino, searchlight
5 dominions, 2 meltas/combiplasma, rhino, searchlight

7 Retributors, 4 heavy bolters
Exorcist, searchlight
Exorcist, searchlight

I would argue that IG make a better ally since you get so much for so few slots. As to the list... It's kind of a mess. Starting at the top...
- Drop a sister squad for Points
- Get some long range guns for your Infantry Squads and some guns period for your PCS.
- A couple melta bombs on sgts don't hurt for MC insurance.
- For Doms, either go 10 girls, 4 guns in a rhino or 5 girls, 2 guns in a TL-MM Immo.
- If you already have vehicles on the table, you should probably get rhinos for your sisters. This protects them and provides vehicle target saturation.
- An Aegis or Bastion will be key, probably aegis to give cover to that huge blob.
- Never put searchlights on your exorcists, put them on your Dom rhinos/immos like you did.
- Get a Simulacrum for your Rets. You need their act to go off.
- Seems like a waste not to take some sort of Guard heavy (Manticore, basilisk, etc) or Fast (vendetta)
- Primaris makes a cheaper option and synergizes well with the PBS (Telepathy).

Overall, needs some work, but you have a start.


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Re: Repentia, I believe it would not work. You roll at the start of the fight sub-phase according to the FAQ and the models are already dead and removed from the table by then.

I got a league coming up that is DFO I wanted to bring a FoR and Bastion with GK Allies I have 2350 pnts any Ideas? I have a list that I think would work but I dont think I have enough units to fully man the FoR...

Seriously? A FOR and Bastion? Where do you put any terrain? lol.

If you're going to take a FOR, you need to take Eldar allies. FOR Krakstorm plus Exarch with Fast Shot = WIN.

In all seriousness, at 2350, I would take 3 Exos, 3 Retribs, 3 Doms, 1 Seraphim, Celestine, Jacobus and Uriah with 4 Sisters squads. Anything else is just icing. Put the retribs in each of the sections with a HB. Pay for Extra HB if you can.

Might as well go Coteaz + monkeys. i imagine the game will break at that point level, but good luck.

So many rending Heavy Bolters in a list like that! AWESOME!

Yeah that sounds about what I was thinking about.

So, my models that I'll be converting into sisters of battle will show up in november, and I realized that i have no clue what to make them. I'll have 45 infantry models available, 5 of which of which are women with melta-ish weapons. For a guy who will mostly use them in small games/ allies, what should I make? Obviously flamers are good, as are meltas, but are there other models I should have ready like heavy bolters and multimeltas? I have tons of almost any weapon imaginable in my IG bits box so I should have no trouble converting whatever weapons i would need. I'm not super concerned about having a tourney list with these gals, as I'll mostly run them for fun. Just wanted to know what to make and what not to make infantry wise. (for example, if you play Ig you NEVER make grenade launchers, as they're terrible.)

I also have a couple of rhinos and was trying to figure out if I should make them into excorcists or immolators. I won't need to use regular rhinos for my sisters squads so it really seems to just be a tossup between those two vehicles as far as i can tell.

First of all, if you arent going to use the rhino build an Immo out of them. Exorcist looks way too cool to not have a giant piano on the top of it

That being said, I find that my most important special weapons, especially now that we have overwatch, are my flamers. If I had to choose between 1 flamer and 1 melta, I would run the flamer. That being said you could run 1 of each in a unit and have them pretty balanced.

As for the heavy weapons, I would use the heavy bolters as having long range anti infantry will help your sisters out a great deal. Your exorcists shold be able to mop up pretty much anything from a good distance so your multi meltas will likely never get their 2d6 armor pen but if you take heavy bolters they will get lots of use just by shooting at the infantry that spill out of a transport after your exorcist cracks it like an egg.

I would probably run TL-Multi Meltas on the Immo because its fast enough to nail armor to the wall with 2d6 pen whiel retaining some safety. It'll help improve yhe effectiveness of your heavy bolters this way.


Hay Pre, your our resident rumor tracker right? Any outlook on a timeframe for plastic love for us?