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Thanks for reposting those NTRabbit something happened to my post and the pictures didn't link.

It will be interesting to see what it retails for when pre-orders go up next Monday. They admitted they scaled it wrong but I'm glad they did $25 for backers (or included in the pledge) should be a great deal not to mention the Frost Giant kit for $10 more that will be an expensive kit at retail.

Great to see them continue to use Angel Giraldez for the centre piece miniatures.

Way too big for normal use tho, plus it devalues much higher ranked monsters. What is up with a dragon barely reaching a giant's waist?

If someone had told me that was a Mierce figure and I had no prior knowledge, I'd believe it.

It's big, but it's a giant after all. Happy I'm getting one!

What did it get shot with that's now stuck in his wrist-guards?

 Mysterio wrote:
What did it get shot with that's now stuck in his wrist-guards?

Arrows?

At that size?

Too big for arrows, too small (maybe?) for war machine bolts.

Probably just 'artistic license' medieval ammo.

That comparison picture is nice. But TBH, it just shows how badly Mantic needs to make a new dragon. Their "toy" is really, really looking bad now.

Yeah, the basecoated dragon doesn't really shine next to a piece by Angel Giraldez does it..

The dragon sticks out like a sore thumb, it looks like like a 5 euros plastic toy.

 Modock wrote:
The dragon sticks out like a sore thumb, it looks like like a 5 euros plastic toy.

Your being generous .

The Giant is too Giant for my tastes. Even half sized would work, but an ogre not even coming up to his knee cap makes me think more Titan than Giant.

That giant is giant! Looks a bit like they just up-sized him with their 3D software (judging by the giant-arrows, too-small-ballista bolts - oops!). He looks great, but I also wish he were a tad bit smaller...

Ah well, he'll be really fun to paint!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Way too big for normal use tho, plus it devalues much higher ranked monsters. What is up with a dragon barely reaching a giant's waist?

Yep, scale is a fail for me, it looks ridiculous compared to the rest of the range. It's be a direct choice between having the Mantic giant and no other Mantic monsters, or the other way around. (I'll go option b and use an Oghur or Oghurinthe from Mierce's Albainn kindred).

Mantic's giant should be perfectly to scale fighting Mierce's monstrous infantry though!

It just looks woefully overscaled for their own stuff.

My worry is if mine will end up with red skin like all my other giant humanoids, be they Fomorian, Albain, Ysian, or any other kindred.

Is their much fur sculpted on the pelt around his shoulders? It is hard to see past the expert paint work.

I love the look of the Giant (zero need for one), but man...I can't stop looking at how awful that dragon is. I pop in here every couple of months to see if Mantic is making something cool I want, and 90% of the time I'm put off or disappointed or leave thinking "yep, still the old Mantic...".

I swear sometime this company should just change its advertising to: "Mantic: Almost"

At least they're doing some cool terrain bits and the sci-fi range has some neat kits.

I think they made quite a progress with their recent releases, mostly scifi, like you said, but also fantasy is getting some cool minis.
But at the same time they still make a miss release, like the Nameless, IMO they look awful.

Modock wrote:I think they made quite a progress with their recent releases, mostly scifi, like you said, but also fantasy is getting some cool minis.
But at the same time they still make a miss release, like the Nameless, IMO they look awful.

There are a bunch of Nameless sculpts I dig, especially the armored shell dudes and the big gun shrimp, but yea, most of that latest wave is rough. Though I'm curious how even the terribad bug eyed squid things would look with Angel at the brush ...

pancakeonions wrote:That giant is giant! Looks a bit like they just up-sized him with their 3D software (judging by the giant-arrows, too-small-ballista bolts - oops!). He looks great, but I also wish he were a tad bit smaller...

I actually really enjoy when giants are giant. Since they're such a fantasy staple, I appreciate when designers go hard and give them an air of wonder, which typically means making them straight up enormous or giving them more complex backgrounds or weird non-human touches. Sorta like the titans in Attak on Titan, that ride the uncanny valley or are flat out monstrous. Otherwise they're just big dumb people that wander around and eat smaller people.

But you know, I think you're right about the upscaled model. I originally didn't think so, because the shields strapped to him are the same size as the ogre's, but those certainly look like human shields in design. That right there's a bummer, and he would have been appreciably tall without the upscale. Still a win of a model IMO, just not perfect.

Taking it back, giant's just a win, go Mantic. Extra plus? Giants are also really good in game, unlike That Other Game where they've been a frigging joke forever

- Salvage

But the shields look exactly right on him for a human sized model next to him?
I don’t see where they’re wrong?

The arrows, for sure they’re too big, I think that’s more a sculpting thing than they made it then upscale though?

Danny76 wrote:
But the shields look exactly right on him for a human sized model next to him?

Do they?



You know, I guess they do. I thought they looked too big for a human but fine for an ogre, but looks like I was right the first time
NM the above, things look legit again. Even the arrows are frankly fine for heroic scale, WHFB had plenty of enormous shafts like these. Smaller would obviously be better but I don't find they break my sense of scale.

- Salvage

Have heard that the giant will be £24.99, preorders up on Monday.

Really looking forward to getting my Vanguard pledge now, it was one of those kickstarters that started out lacking, but really had the kitchen sink thrown at it by the end, the Giant pledge was really great value and everything is useful.

Also, delivered one month ahead of schedule in a single wave of shipping is always good!

My first warbands will simply be a case of using the Dungeon Saga minis I already have painted and take it from there, it's nice to be able to start gaming from day 1 with this.

scarletsquig wrote:it was one of those kickstarters that started out lacking, but really had the kitchen sink thrown at it by the end

So a Mantic kickstarter

24,99 quid for THAT GIANT?!

Omg.

Thats the thing Salvage. I thought you were getting swayed by untruths!
The reason it looks similar to the Ogre shield thing in his hand is the Ogre angle isn’t straight on.

Remember Norse warriors could easily heft a big shield like that (not that weedy caster ).
The bigger shield looks maybe like Basilean type size unit or something maybe..

Arrows yeah, I mean look at GW’s skeletons they had big arrows and such in them.
And big heads. And hands.

I'm assuming the "big" arrows are to make it more durable as something more in scale would likely break off in transport and no one wants that.

Amazballs. So glad I went for two during the kickstarter, one normal one and one with the frost giant upgrade.

At £25 would be tempted to pick up a third to build with the alt head option etc.

In regards to the dragon, it's always been small due to it being designed for use in a board game and needing to fit on a rather small base. A bunch of mantic's other monsters are already bigger than it.

More things like this please mantic, your model range continues to improve.

I've got Chroneas and the Greater Abyssal, who were also both as big, if not bigger than the dragon.

Maybe it's time for Mantic to do a proper tabletop dragon, as opposed to a board game one.

Perhaps with an inevitable Kings of War or Vanguard expansion?

Dark Sphere have pre-orders listed for release on the 26th of October - £24.99 seems to be a popular choice! if I can get another giant for £20 at discount I'll probably get a second 1. At a guess the PVC minis are 2 each of the various factions PVC minis as each faction has 5 different mini types in PVC.

Kings of War Vanguard: Rulebook £24.99

Abyssal Faction Starter £24.99

10 unassembled PVC models
5 hard plastic Lower Abyssal models
Bases
Warband starter cards

Abyssal Faction Booster £24.99

3 resin models
Bases
3 Warband cards

Basilean Faction Starter £24.99

10 unassembled PVC models
5 hard plastic Man at Arms models
Bases
Warband starter cards

Basilean Faction Booster £24.99

3 resin models
Bases
3 Warband cards

Nightstalker Faction Starter £24.99

10 unassembled PVC models
5 hard plastic scarecrow models
Bases
Warband starter cards

Nightstalker Faction Booster £24.99

3 resin models
Bases
3 Warband cards

Northern Alliance Faction Starter £24.99

10 unassembled PVC models
5 hard plastic dwarf ironclad models
Bases
Warband starter cards

Northern Alliance Faction Booster £24.99

3 resin models
Bases
3 Warband cards

I did not go in on this Kickstarter or look at it much, as I’ve been away from KoW for a while.

Am I to be led to believe this is basically a skirmish version, a la WP Firefight?

yep. KoW skirmish game.

I really kind of regret that finances required me to leave my KS pledge at $1, now.