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Remy to the rescue. I still have to see a miniature from him which is only mediocre.

It's a shame he can only sculpt so much :(

Yeah I have to say the Ogre is a definite win. I am actually happy with them quite a bit.

It's just a shame they're not the miniatures I want from this kickstarter!

Here are the June/July releases for Kings of War, with retail prices:

MGE KWH11-1 Ogre Warriors (6) ~ JUL PreOrder $29.99
MGE KWH12-1 Ogre Shooters (6) ~ JUL PreOrder $29.99
MGE KWH70-1 Ogre Grokagamok ~ JUL PreOrder $14.99
MGE KWH71-1 Ogre Command (3) ~ JUL PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWH81-1 Ogre Army ~ JUL PreOrder $74.99
MGE KWO16-1 Orc Gore Chariot ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWO17-1 Orc Fight Wagon ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWO18-1 Goblin Mincer ~ JUL PreOrder $19.99
MGE KWO19-1 Trolls ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWO21-1 Orc Ax Regiment PLASTIC (15) 1 $24.99
MGE KWO24-1 Goblin Flebag Riders ~ JUL PreOrder $34.99
MGE KWO31-1 Orc Ax Horde (redesign) ~ JUN PreOrder $39.99
MGE KWO81-1 Orcs Army ~ JUN PreOrder $74.99
MGE KWO90-1 Goblin Heroes ~ JUL PreOrder $19.99
MGE KWU17-1 Werewolves (3) ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWU18-1 Undead Mummies (10) ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWU19-1 Undead Vampiress Lady Ilona ~ JUN PreOrder $9.99
MGE KWU21-1 Undead Skeleton Regiment (redesign) ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWU26-1 Undead Ghoul Regiment (redesign) ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWU44-1 Undead Skeleton Horde ~ JUN PreOrder $39.99
MGE KWU92-1 Undead Lord Malak ~ JUL PreOrder $19.99
MGE KWU93-1 Undead Liche King ~ JUN PreOrder $14.99

man i so want to like those werewolves but the bare ass and crotch hair just ruins for me :(

Squig, you're good with Photoshop. Be a dear and put a spiked collar and gimp mask on a werewolf, please.

Won't it be easier to just take pics of your conversions when you're done with them?

whut the heck is an Ogre Grokagamok?

No. Those are just for me.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Squig, you're good with Photoshop. Be a dear and put a spiked collar and gimp mask on a werewolf, please.

This and the following comments... hilarious

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
man i so want to like those werewolves but the bare ass and crotch hair just ruins for me :(

I dunno... I think I prefer the hair covering the crotch but it's just an opinion. If you would prefer them to be hairless down there instead, far be it from me to argue your full frontal werewolf preference...

 porkuslime wrote:
whut the heck is an Ogre Grokagamok?

A named character I believe.

 porkuslime wrote:
whut the heck is an Ogre Grokagamok?

Ogre hero of some sort.

Makes me question mocking GW's naming convention. At least you know what a "Gutlord" is.

 Polonius wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
whut the heck is an Ogre Grokagamok?

Ogre hero of some sort.

Makes me question mocking GW's naming convention. At least you know what a "Gutlord" is.

What's wrong with it? GW names ogres after stomach slurs, Mantic throws random letter-magnets on the fridge and whatever they spell becomes the name. I approve.

MGE KWH11-1 Ogre Warriors (6) ~ JUL PreOrder $29.99
MGE KWH12-1 Ogre Shooters (6) ~ JUL PreOrder $29.99

Those didn't quite end up as BOGOF ...

MGE KWO16-1 Orc Gore Chariot ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWO17-1 Orc Fight Wagon ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99

I was under the impression this was a dual kit?

MGE KWO21-1 Orc Ax Regiment PLASTIC (15) 1 $24.99
MGE KWO31-1 Orc Ax Horde (redesign) ~ JUN PreOrder $39.99

Interesting ... Do we know what's changed here?

MGE KWU21-1 Undead Skeleton Regiment (redesign) ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99
MGE KWU26-1 Undead Ghoul Regiment (redesign) ~ JUN PreOrder $24.99

Doubly interesting ... everyone (or nearly) actually likes the skellies/ghouls.

^ New packaging.

god you guys are terrible... i love it... lol

while i do enjoy a nicely groomed landing strip now and again i definitely do not want to see it on my werewolves.
if the hulk could manage to keep himself in pants i think the werewolf community should be able to follow suit.

have we only seen the 1 ogre so far?

So the ghouls and skellies is just a box redesign?

yeah, they're changing the packaging away from the VHS like cases, I believe.

 Bolognesus wrote:
yeah, they're changing the packaging away from the VHS like cases, I believe.

given that i never used those cases for anything, i'm glad to hear they're changing it

Oh, I don't know, they're quite useful. not with their standard foam but using (half of) a KR N or F type tray they're actually quite good for smaller skirmish-type stuff (or dreadball teams, that works particularly well. I'd imagine blood bowl would be the same.)

 Bolognesus wrote:
Really though Azazelx, the hero on lion, ogres and paladins had mostly very positive reactions, the golems generally were well-received as well (I sure am getting extras too), the mummies were deemed somewhere in the area of "well, not too shabby", generally; it's just the brock riders, cats, sisters (arms, mostly!) trolls and to a somewhat lesser extent, werewolves which are catching flak.
as to the ogre shooters well, you've seen the bodies and there's pics of the weapons I believe - kinda close

I haven't seen immortal guard pics either (Squig, any chance of a hint where to find those? I believe you mentioned them as having been shown), by the way.
Most everything but the elf cav and some heroes should be revealed by friday or so, so let's hold this "percentage of mini's gone bad" debate for a week or so, shall we?

Look, I personally am good with a some of the figures that others have complained about - and not with others. But if you're going to make sweeping statements as though they are authoritative "no complaints" "the number was chosen carefully", then.. well, you get called on them. Better to do as you suggest by holding off on trying to call percentages until everything has been seen, and even then talk in general terms rather than absolute ones like "no complaints".

The sisters are fixable, which I may or may not get around to doing with my freebies, but I'd pledged for some extras since they sounded cool. But frankly, I'm not willing to "spend" money (or pre-paid BOGOF) on figures I need to fix up, since it's pretty much every arm that looks to need repairs due to the upper/lower arm ratio the sculptor used.

 Da Boss wrote:
Definitely seems like Mantic have taken too much on with so many Kickstarters "running" simultaneously. Otherwise they might have time to compile the sort of information RiTides is talking about for customers.
I might sound like I've got a bone to pick here but I've been fairly positive about Mantic in the past, so I think it's only fair to call them on it when I see things that I think are shoddy or silly.

I agree with you here.


With the mummies.... I don't hate the sculpts, but once again, they don't match the concept art that they were sold on, and the concept art is better. I was actually looking forward to getting a few cool-looking gothic horror/traditional mummies not decked out in giant silly Khemri hats holding maces and weapons. - which is why I own none of the current GW ones. - fake edit - on seeing the clearer shots, the models are looking pretty average. Clearly lots of mold lines that not even winterdyne was able to clean up, silly-thick arms (truescale FTW!) And the windy cloaks are a bit overdone. They're messy, disposable sculpts.


Winterdyne - once again your photos are far better than any of the ones I've seen from Mantic. I still don't like the trolls, but your paint on them looks even better than it did in the last photos I complimented you on.


Ogre. Looks good. The legs look much better in the painted shot as well.

 scarletsquig wrote:
It's quite an interesting army list.
I'd prefer it if they didn't have a phoenix in the army list though, I quite like the one that GW released and Mantic probably won't have big monsters for KoW for at least another 3 years.
Anyone know some good alternate sources of sweet phoenix minis? Not concerned about the size, just looking for a good sculpt.
Edit: I'll settle for getting a pair of the hobbit eagles to use instead if I can't find anything else, on closer inspection the warhammer one is pretty ridiculous.

erm.. you like the GW one or you don't? If you like it, why wouldn't you get it for your KoW forces?

Bit late to the party. Are the paladins plastic or restic?

 scarletsquig wrote:
Here are the June/July releases for Kings of War, with retail prices:
MGE KWH11-1 Ogre Warriors (6) ~ JUL PreOrder $29.99
MGE KWH12-1 Ogre Shooters (6) ~ JUL PreOrder $29.99

Aren't these figures 3-for$25 that then become 6/$25 BOGOF choices/Kickstarter price? With the release of the retail pricing details, the ogres also appear to have gone from "BOGOF" to "16.5% off RRP" (ie we could buy them cheaper from many retailers).

If so, Might be worth changing some BOGOF choices to some of the quality items like the goblin shredder and picking up the Ogre sets of 6 at discounted retail - 6/$27 (or less) from stores to support retailers who stock Mantic/KoW. - or they could give us 12 Ogres if it's actually "BOGOF".

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
man i so want to like those werewolves but the bare ass and crotch hair just ruins for me :(

It's just paint. Paint it brown or grey for fur like the rest of the model instead of in skin tones and you'll be fine.

But if you're going to make sweeping statements as though they are authoritative "no complaints" "the number was chosen carefully", then.. well, you get called on them. Better to do as you suggest by holding off on trying to call percentages until everything has been seen, and even then talk in general terms rather than absolute ones like "no complaints".

Or you could not flip out and write 7-paragraph rants every time you have a problem with the minutiae of someone's post, and then keep ranting about it 4 pages later after the discussion has moved on.

My post was far too absolute and would have benefited from a "no complaints, in general" suffix.

Did I feel like bothering to post a reply to your post to that effect though? No, I didn't, and the reason why should be very obvious.

Anyway, yeah, definitely better off either dropping ogres from the pledge and buying discount retail *or* going for the ogre army bundle deal offered in the survey, which is still a really good deal.

 Azazelx wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Here are the June/July releases for Kings of War, with retail prices:
MGE KWH11-1 Ogre Warriors (6) ~ JUL PreOrder $29.99
MGE KWH12-1 Ogre Shooters (6) ~ JUL PreOrder $29.99

Aren't these figures 3-for$25 that then become 6/$25 BOGOF choices/Kickstarter price? With the release of the retail pricing details, the ogres also appear to have gone from "BOGOF" to "16.5% off RRP" (ie we could buy them cheaper from many retailers).

If so, Might be worth changing some BOGOF choices to some of the quality items like the goblin shredder and picking up the Ogre sets of 6 at discounted retail - 6/$27 (or less) from stores to support retailers who stock Mantic/KoW. - or they could give us 12 Ogres if it's actually "BOGOF".

Agree to some degree. I saw someone suggest on the mantic forums that they're doing the ogres at a lower margin to compete with GW ogres on price, which makes sense.

If you get the starter from Mantic, there's about another 20% discount from the freebies (though you probably don't need duplicates of the character).

 scarletsquig wrote:

But if you're going to make sweeping statements as though they are authoritative "no complaints" "the number was chosen carefully", then.. well, you get called on them. Better to do as you suggest by holding off on trying to call percentages until everything has been seen, and even then talk in general terms rather than absolute ones like "no complaints".

Or you could not flip out and write 7-paragraph rants every time you have a problem with the minutiae of someone's post, and then keep ranting about it 4 pages later after the discussion has moved on.

I reply as I go along. The fact that I hadn't read the thread for a whole two days isn't going to change that. Deal.




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Also on the ogres. One picture? That's a bit poor. Don't get me wrong, I like the model, but is that one pic (with face paint obscuring the sculpt) supposed to take the place of showing the regiment, and also the shooters?

Luckily, we on Dakka have links to blogs and photo compilations due the nature of our community, but the Mantic line of "wait till the official pics come out, guys!" is pretty undermined by this sort of thing. I posted a link to the faces on the blog linked earlier in the comments for the other backers who might not be forum regulars like us.

I also emailed a pleasant version of the same comments to Stewart, along with the "BOGOF = 16.5% off" and request to see pictures or at least a list of the command components.

 Azazelx wrote:
Also on the ogres. One picture? That's a bit poor. Don't get me wrong, I like the model, but is that one pic (with face paint obscuring the sculpt) supposed to take the place of showing the regiment, and also the shooters?

If you'll let me quote from the update email, it might make slightly more sense:

Kings of War Update #72 wrote:The Ogres have always been an option in the Kingdoms of Men army from the Kings of War rulebook, but in the upcoming Kings and Legends supplement they’re going to have their own force list! No more listening to orders from some jumped-up human on a horse… these Ogres are picking their own battles. The paint scheme above is one that we’re considering for the studio Ogre army – what do you think? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below!

If they're not sure about the scheme yet, why paint up more than one example to show off?

It's a matter of purpose. The purpose of the pictures at this stage is so that people can manage their pledges and also add new items. I don't really care about the paint. I and many others would be very happy with bare plastic shots of the models, perhaps lightly inked to show off the details. The point is that they promised to show us the figures (not singular) so that people can make informed BOGOF decisions, or informed decisions about their add-ons.

Instead they have been dancing around the issue, with no good pictures and giving us the usual bs "wait for official pictures, guys!" line when people use what there is available as their references for the figures. I think the Ogres are actually one of their strongest lines from this KS, and it's pretty stupid of them not to properly show them off at this stage.

That one picture doesn't tell me what the other 1h+shield figures in the regiment box that they want to sell me looks like, nor does it tell me what the 2-handed options look like - or indeed what the regiment box includes (just 1h+s? other 1h weapons? 2h options for some? All? What kinds of 2H weapons? Nor does it show what the ranged versions of the ogres will look like or any of the similar option questions.

Like I said, I don't need paint. I just want to see what they're trying to sell us, you know, before we give them more money or make our final choices.

edit - typo


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Also. Letting us know exactly what's in the "command packs". Not just for the ogres, but when showing off the regiments would surely be the most appropriate time to do so.

Looking forward to seeing more Ogre pics, once a paint scheme is settled on (or perhaps unpainted).

"Ancient Spirits of Evil...transform this decayed form...to Mumm-Ra...THE EVER-LIVING!!"

Ok, now that I got that out of my system, I think I can find a use for these guys, monkey arms and all.