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The more I look at them, the more the heads of the Angels look very Bowie-esque.

So have we seen everything save the shipment three stuff now?

So far the vast majority of the KoW figures are looking really good, am well chuffed.

Oh, and something easily missed:

- If you're happy to wait for August for all of your remaining minis to be shipped, send mantic a message via kickstarter and they'll delay the shipment and throw in "something shiny" for you.

overtyrant wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
Why are clearly painted models being shown in black and white?

I have changed my mind on that golem. It may end up in my Dungeon Bestiary set.

Fleabag riders, Immortal guard and Golem are just sprayed.

Say what?

Is that like the opposite of "pants"?

I think he means "spraypainted", it's not some mystery slang

 scarletsquig wrote:
Oh, and something easily missed:

- If you're happy to wait for August for all of your remaining minis to be shipped, send mantic a message via kickstarter and they'll delay the shipment and throw in "something shiny" for you.

Shiny and signed. I'm in no rush to get my models, so I'll likely take this path.

 Da Boss wrote:
I think he means "spraypainted", it's not some mystery slang

Just seems odd, the gargoyle looks to have distinct 'tones' of grey which makes it look like a BW of a painted figure, same with the dwarves.

If they plan to show unpainted or 'primed and inked', they may get some better feedback.

Schmapdi wrote:
The more I look at them, the more the heads of the Angels look very Bowie-esque.

So have we seen everything save the shipment three stuff now?

The abyssal dwarf dragon breath thing hasn't been shown, and I think it was shipment 2.

nkelsch wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I think he means "spraypainted", it's not some mystery slang

Just seems odd, the gargoyle looks to have distinct 'tones' of grey which makes it look like a BW of a painted figure, same with the dwarves.

If they plan to show unpainted or 'primed and inked', they may get some better feedback.

I think the Gargoyle is greyed because it's like three different resin colors. The Immortal Guard you can very definitely see the spray paint blobs from a quick primer spray.

Agree on prime + ink; or just gesso on the unprimed base models.

Those arms... those necks ...

So sad :(

Mixed feelings update - love the mawbeast riders, they will fit absolutely perfectly in my goblin army, so I can retire the awful melon head GW wolfriders I've been using.

Immortal Guard look pretty much like their metal originals, but I just don't care that much. Will get swapped to the Abyssal Dwarf player in my group... same with those golems. Love the look of them, but don't have use for them. I like the gargoyle/harpy models, I'm hoping there's several poses.

Surprisingly like the panther cathorse models. It seems like the entire Basilean range looks like they're based on a non-existent cartoon. The chariot is dumb. Elohi angels look great, with a stupid popsicle sword. The one on the right does have a tiny head, oddly enough.

Elohi are amazing! Glad I'm getting 9. Most of the cat-horses ended up being decent; one looks bad, but the rest of the legs look fine. I'm okay with them. Long arms/necks on sisters still hurt though. B+/A- for the Basileans as a whole, which I'm okay with. No army comes out perfect with nothing wrong. I can deal with a few extended arms/heads that can likely be cut down.

I just think it's taken them far to long to get these pics out 'officially' to us. Some of them have been on the net for yonks like the gargoyles and Golem. Why are we only just seeing them? I think they handled the last part poorly. Oh well as my old man says, 'a man that makes no mistkaes makes nothing'. I just hope they can learn from how they handled this last part and move forward for futre KS.

overtyrant wrote:
I just think it's taken them far to long to get these pics out 'officially' to us. Some of them have been on the net for yonks like the gargoyles and Golem. Why are we only just seeing them? I think they handled the last part poorly. Oh well as my old man says, 'a man that makes no mistkaes makes nothing'. I just hope they can learn from how they handled this last part and move forward for futre KS.

I would prefer the opposite, that they took 10x times more time to develop something better and I just hope they really dont do another KS anytime soon and concentrate on improving first.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I would prefer the opposite, that they took 10x times more time to develop something better and I just hope they really dont do another KS anytime soon and concentrate on improving first.

Not that I don't think they should create more of a delay between Kickstarters, but Mantic has clearly gotten better at dealing with Kickstarters with each one they run. If you remember the actual KoW campaign, Mantic was flat out scrambling to put together quick concept art as stretches were met. Meanwhile, in Deadzone, it's pretty clear that most everything was planned ahead of time, and Mantic arguably may have purposefully stalled the campaign at certain points to manage the success to something they could deal with.

The harpy looks like a photo of the master, not a painted mini.
The goblins are definitely also not painted. *cough* Yet.

decker_cky wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I would prefer the opposite, that they took 10x times more time to develop something better and I just hope they really dont do another KS anytime soon and concentrate on improving first.

Not that I don't think they should create more of a delay between Kickstarters, but Mantic has clearly gotten better at dealing with Kickstarters with each one they run. If you remember the actual KoW campaign, Mantic was flat out scrambling to put together quick concept art as stretches were met. Meanwhile, in Deadzone, it's pretty clear that most everything was planned ahead of time, and Mantic arguably may have purposefully stalled the campaign at certain points to manage the success to something they could deal with.

^exactly this if you can learn to manipulate a KS you will end up with a very successful one, and I feel Mantic have this experience now with the great success that was the Deadzone KS.


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winterdyne wrote:
The harpy looks like a photo of the master, not a painted mini.
The goblins are definitely also not painted. *cough* Yet.

Well get back to that painting table (gets the whip out)

This is my order and now I am not sure how I feel after seeing everything....

80 Men-at-Arms (including enough to make 20 of them into Crossbowmen)
20 Paladin Infantry
10 Paladin Cavalry
20 Sisterhood Infantry
10 Sisterhood Cavalry
6 Angels
Berosos, High Priest of Basilea
Julius, Angel Hero
Samacris, Angel Mage Hero
Basilean Lord on Lion
Basilean Legacy Book
2 Men-at-Arms Command sets
1 Paladin Command set
1 Sisterhood Command set


I wish the Elohi were helmeted for sure...

Could care less if they are pros at manipulating KS's... They should be pros at releasing quality models first.

primalexile wrote:
This is my order and now I am not sure how I feel after seeing everything....

80 Men-at-Arms (including enough to make 20 of them into Crossbowmen)
20 Paladin Infantry
10 Paladin Cavalry
20 Sisterhood Infantry
10 Sisterhood Cavalry
6 Angels
Berosos, High Priest of Basilea
Julius, Angel Hero
Samacris, Angel Mage Hero
Basilean Lord on Lion
Basilean Legacy Bookend
2 Men-at-Arms Command sets
1 Paladin Command set
1 Sisterhood Command set


I wish the Elohi were helmeted for sure...

I know its personal taste and all that, but the only thing's I am not a fan of are the Sisterhood (though the calvary and chariot are growing on me, yes I feel dirty ). The rest that we have seen I really like.


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 NAVARRO wrote:
Could care less if they are pros at manipulating KS's... They should be pros at releasing quality models first.

Once again down to personal taste, I like most of what they have produced, so in my eyes it has been a fairly successful KS.

primalexile wrote:
This is my order and now I am not sure how I feel after seeing everything....

80 Men-at-Arms (including enough to make 20 of them into Crossbowmen)
20 Paladin Infantry
10 Paladin Cavalry
20 Sisterhood Infantry
10 Sisterhood Cavalry
6 Angels
Berosos, High Priest of Basilea
Julius, Angel Hero
Samacris, Angel Mage Hero
Basilean Lord on Lion
Basilean Legacy Book
2 Men-at-Arms Command sets
1 Paladin Command set
1 Sisterhood Command set


I wish the Elohi were helmeted for sure...

You should surely change some of those basilean models into a starter, since I think you include the number models to compose it (would just get you a free chariot).

It started off with the Basilean Army Deal- $150 (This set contains 6 Elohi, 40 Men-at-Arms, 20 Paladins, 10 Paladin Knights, 20 Sisterhood Infantry, 10 Sisterhood Lancers, and a FREE Sisterhood Panther Chariot.)

I then started talking with Stewart and decided to just do the complete army. It appears I left the Chariot off the list.

I'll probably do a conversion article for the sisters once they arrive.. should be a relatively quick (but fiddly) fix to sort out the necks and arms and get them looking good.

A different colour scheme will definitely help them I think.

I'll be going with a crimson and bone scheme, should look much better. Or possibly orange and white, or muted yellow and blue. Something the reflects the fire/light solar cult background better, anyway.

Probably tanned skin rather than caucasian as well, I get the feeling that the M@A faces might look better in that skin tone, and there's a slight Egyptian/persian style to the whole army too, even the paladins have quite ornate armour.

Official scheme is a bit too "ultrasmurfs" for my liking.. I feel like there's a lot more that can be done with this army if the background and exotic elements are played up.

Definitely going to have some kind of vivid stripes or spots on the cats, too... the smooth fur is just asking for some freehand/ airbrushing.. will be painting mine bright orange to go with the fire theme.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I'll probably do a conversion article for the sisters once they arrive.. should be a relatively quick (but fiddly) fix to sort out the necks and arms and get them looking good.

A different colour scheme will definitely help them I think.

I'll be going with a crimson and bone scheme, should look much better. Or possibly orange and white, or muted yellow and blue. Something the reflects the fire/light solar cult background better, anyway.

Probably tanned skin rather than caucasian as well, I get the feeling that the M@A faces might look better in that skin tone, and there's a slight Egyptian/persian style to the whole army too, even the paladins have quite ornate armour.

Official scheme is a bit too "ultrasmurfs" for my liking.. I feel like there's a lot more that can be done with this army if the background and exotic elements are played up.

Definitely going to have some kind of vivid stripes or spots on the cats, too... will be painting mine bright orange to go with the fire theme.

I was thinking of decapitation and mutilation of the neck and arms... slice out a little bit of arm and neck and reglue.... I did see your link to alternative bits which I may consider as well.

You won't need to decapitate, the heads are separate, so quick neck snip and done. Arms will be trickier though.

I'm considering swapping the sisters weapons between the cavalry and foot too... the foot sisters are just standing around, but have these crazy whirling flails, whereas the cat riders are moving at speed and have static upright spears.

Makes more sense to put the crazy whirling flails on the moving cat riders and save the static spears for the static troops... not to mention making them a hell of a lot easier to rank up.

Of course, one of the nice things about the KoW rules is that it doesn't give a damn what weapons the minis have unless there are multiple options specified in the list.

 scarletsquig wrote:
You won't need to decapitate, the heads are separate, so quick neck snip and done. Arms will be trickier though.

I don't think it would be that bad - snip off the hand, file down the baggy sleeves a bit, make a greenstuff trim to cover the damage, glue the hand back on?

That's fine if you're doing one model because you want to. The fact that you need to do that to both arms for 10, 20, 40, 60 models to be able to use them without wincing is just fethed up.

 Azazelx wrote:
That's fine if you're doing one model because you want to. The fact that you need to do that to both arms for 10, 20, 40, 60 models to be able to use them without wincing is just fethed up.

I agree and if they were not included in the army deal I would probably substitute everything Sisterhood with Paladins.

 Azazelx wrote:
That's fine if you're doing one model because you want to. The fact that you need to do that to both arms for 10, 20, 40, 60 models to be able to use them without wincing is just fethed up.

Oh, I agree. I'll be waiting till tomorrow to see if we get any more previews - but then I'll be filling out my survey and dropping them in favor of mounted paladins/etc. Mostly because I don't think I'd be able to sell the sisters for anything. (Because without the sisters, my enthusiasm for the Basilean army has largely evaporated).

But still, as far as conversions go, it doesn't seem that onerous - anything will be obnoxious if you repeat if 100 times!

Oh, and something to keep in mind for the fleabag riders...

They're riding mawbeasts, Metal mawbeasts currently cost £25 for 5, restic ones (the fleabag riders) cost half that, or a quarter of that if buying from the KS.

So optimal solution for goblin players to avoid buying expensive metal units =

1) Buy tons and tons of fleabag riders.
2) Use the mounts as mawbeast packs
3) (optional) Get some third party mounts to use for the goblins instead (lotr wargs are rather nice).

Just thought I'd mention that since mawbeast packs are one of the more fun units from the goblin list.. they're small, cheap, fast and hit really hard. Excellent screening/ war machine hunter/ wave 1 suicide units.