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 Pacific wrote:
Is that wishful thinking highlord tamburlaine, or something you have heard a rumour about?

It was mentioned at the open day. It's been a while so I can't remember how definitive it is, but I think we all came away with the impression that Mantic's 2nd Kickstarter of 2013 would be a new version of Dwarf Kings Hold. Not sure there were any further details but you'd have to expect they would be using the funds to make some decent components. On the Mantic forum I speculated that they could try and make a fantasy version of the Deadzone tiles to enable large dungeon construction.

..That would be incredible!

Although I hate to think how much a full dungeon's worth would cost.. not sure if it has ever been done in plastic before, although I know there was a KS recently for a similar kind of thing?

I suppose there would be a large area of cross-over with the board gaming fraternity, much as with Deadzone

I think I had read on Jake's blog a while back that his plan for the next iteration of Dwarf King's Hold would be bringing back the necromancer/ dwarf angle, but having something of a co-op style going for it in the vein of games like Ravenloft and its ilk.

I think straight up Deadzone style pieces wouldn't be the best thing for them to do. I think good old cardboard tiles would be for the best. My personal hope would be something like the old Necromunda catwalks. Using Deadzone type sprues of parts to prop up tiles at various elevations.

Throw in campaign rules, stretch goal warbands and extra tiles, some kind of loot/ treasure counters... you got yourself a recipe for a pretty good kickstarter.

Maybe they could even toss in a few extra sprues of whatever figures they want to get rid of...

Pure conjecture on my part though. We'll wait and see what the future holds.

I am impatiently curious to see as to who is going to truly fill the void left by Heroquest/ Warhammer Quest first- Mantic or CMON. Neither of them have tried their hand at the big epic fantasy boardgame yet, and judging by the numbers that Myth and Kingdom Death have pulled in, those types of games SELL.

Tiles comparable (or even compatable with) games like Descent and/or Ravenloft would be the best way to go, along with either 2-part push-fit plastic miniatures like the stuff we've had in 40k starter boxes for awhile or one-piece figures (again - look at Ravenloft or Descent - or WHFB starters.) Even the current Mantic Orc sprue is good enough to work here.

Getting some new high quality hard plastic to fill in an updated boardgame would also do them well in KoW. Multi-part restic isn't such a good idea, though.

 Azazelx wrote:
Tiles comparable (or even compatable with) games like Descent and/or Ravenloft would be the best way to go, along with either 2-part push-fit plastic miniatures like the stuff we've had in 40k starter boxes for awhile or one-piece figures (again - look at Ravenloft or Descent - or WHFB starters.) Even the current Mantic Orc sprue is good enough to work here.

Getting some new high quality hard plastic to fill in an updated boardgame would also do them well in KoW. Multi-part restic isn't such a good idea, though.

Having truly compatible pieces might be tough due to how those games have a game- specific interlocking mechanic to them, but maybe something like those D&D tilesets from a few years back? Those are still the one inch spaces, but they didn't have the jigsaw piece patterning on the edges.

I definitely agree with you that those figures need to be as simple as possible if they want to get a game like this into as many hands as possible, hobbyists be damned.

Maybe something along the lines of the scientist pledge from Deadzone would work.

Well, essentially they could make them compatible easily enough - just pick one (of Ravenloft or Descent) and make the jigsaw pieces the same. (The two games have slightly different pieces). Theoretically the Scientist level pledge could work, but what they lok like in practice is yet to be seen - though the theory is sound. Do the Orcs in green plastic and the dwarves and Elves or whatever in red, blue, yellow... similar to second edition BloodBowl/DungeonBowl.

I don't believe it's a revamp of any sort, just that DKH4 will allow people to play co-op like WHQ, Heroquest etc.

Use of Kickstarter might allow for better quality boards I hope.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I think I had read on Jake's blog a while back that his plan for the next iteration of Dwarf King's Hold would be bringing back the necromancer/ dwarf angle, but having something of a co-op style going for it in the vein of games like Ravenloft and its ilk.

I think straight up Deadzone style pieces wouldn't be the best thing for them to do. I think good old cardboard tiles would be for the best. My personal hope would be something like the old Necromunda catwalks. Using Deadzone type sprues of parts to prop up tiles at various elevations.

Throw in campaign rules, stretch goal warbands and extra tiles, some kind of loot/ treasure counters... you got yourself a recipe for a pretty good kickstarter.

Maybe they could even toss in a few extra sprues of whatever figures they want to get rid of...

Pure conjecture on my part though. We'll wait and see what the future holds.

I am impatiently curious to see as to who is going to truly fill the void left by Heroquest/ Warhammer Quest first- Mantic or CMON. Neither of them have tried their hand at the big epic fantasy boardgame yet, and judging by the numbers that Myth and Kingdom Death have pulled in, those types of games SELL.

Honestly, I really do think that will be Kingdom Death. Assuming its rules work, even if there are obscene amounts of them... It has every chance to lock-down the whole co-op campaign system sub-genre. It has aesthetics... it has an insane volume of random events, loot, etc... I've definitely been one of those who most urgently wanted a WHQ for the modern-age, and while I think Myth will be fun (albeit pretty light from the looks of it), I think KD:M has the best shot at scratching a very specific itch.

That said, a good "endless" campaign game, dungeon-crawl in part hinges on "volume" of possible content... and one thing Mantic does very, very well, is volume.

Kingdom Death is tits, ass and gore.

It most definitely is not a casual generic mass-market fantasy dungeon crawler board game.

I'm hoping that DKH4 will seen as a good excuse to give KoW some new hard plastic, but I'm not holding my breath, it'll most likely be another restic thing, possibly with hard plastic 3D modular dungeon tiles as the main "draw" for the game, more than the minis themselves (same as how the terrain was the star of deadzone more than anything else).

That's not a bad thing either though, imagine the contents of the dwarven forge KS sold as low-priced hard plastic sprues instead.

As far as I'm aware, absolutely no-one currently produces a modular hard plastic "dungeon builder" kit, so there's a definite gap in the market to be exploited there.

If anyone will eventually be able to give us "Warhammer Quest" again, well, it probably won't be GW, so...

I'd be happy with high quality card stock floor tiles.

Mage Knight made plastic snap together modular dungeon tiles. They were great for those that have them, but it get's expensive pretty quick to make large dungeons.

People who have that kind of money to invest in dungeons are already using Dwarven Forge and Hirst Arts Stuff, I imagine.

Just give us some additional rules and better quality components and they'll sell themselves.

^ Mage Knight ones were overpriced pre-paints that weren't all that good, and were only sold for a year or so before being dropped like a stone, like pretty much all other wizkids products at the time (I bought into mage knight dungeons in a big way).

Actual hard plastic sprues for dungeon tiles would be highly affordable, and I disagree with the "everyone who wants it will buy resin or cast their own" sentiment.

There is always a market for *anything* that you're going to want to cover a table with to be as affordable as possible, and affordability is a factor for people who do have lots of money too... it allows their plans to be even more ambitious for the same amount of investment.

Or the money saved can be used to hire a commission painter, etc.

I sometimes wonder how many people realise that they could get a mantic army + professional paintjob for their money instead of one GW army on the sprues.

The MK Dungeon Tiles were neither prepainted or terribly expensive. They did require a significant investment to cover a table with, which was my real point.

Dreadzone plastic terrain is not cheap. If you were to cover the table with it, using it for floor tiles as well as walls it would become significantly expensive.

Since Dreazone Terrain is Mantics plastic modular terrain system, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume a similar price point for a dungeon themed terrain set from them as well.

Thick laminated floor tiles, like D&D 3/4E, or Space Hulk, would be durable, more affordable, and get the job done, while keeping the board game in a box mentality of DKH. .

 adamsouza wrote:


Dreadzone plastic terrain is not cheap. If you were to cover the table with it, using it for floor tiles as well as walls it would become significantly expensive.

It's relative though I suppose. It's significantly cheaper than some of the ForgeWorld stuff, to use an extreme example, and in the same way I'm sure Mantic plastics would be much less than any resin equivalent.

In any case, might be nice to have the option for those that want it, then some high-quality card stock as an alternative?

I would be happier with affordable and easily stored card tiles than more expensive and bulkier plastic. I really like DKH, although I have barely played it really, and part of the reason for that is that it is easily transportable.

I don't know if GW would ever do Quest again. It would cut into the money their other lines make. At least that seems to be the view they operate under these days.

Kingdom Death will most likely scratch that campaign itch, but isn't as family friendly as I would like it to be.

I think Deadzone's campaign will give us an idea at least of how Mantic might approach an ongoing system.

I personally would prefer good quality tile. I still like the idea of plastic scenery/ accessory sprues to spice up the board.

Plus the crazies could get a Brian Blessed dwarven hero from the getgo to keep them quiet, and then I could start planting hints at Mantic HQ for my reptilian agenda, and sprues of hard plastic lizardmen that aren't Aztecs or low^ tech mindless savages.

You know, I would be tickled pink if the boxed game came with high quality cardstock tiles and plastic accesories, while they also sold modular plastic tiles for those hard core enthusiasts.

Or, a roll out mat for the dungeon floor and plastic tiles for the walls and doors.

I just really, really, really, don't want to buy the dungeon floor in 3 inch squares.

^ That's probably the most likely approach.

Both Dreadball and Deadzone had a choice of three different materials for their boards, each one a step-up in price and quality.

Card, MDF, Acrylic for Dreadball.

Paper, rubber and hard plastic for Deadzone.

I went for the SW board for deadzone since plastic board + plastic terrain = awesome. And I can paint it in a colour that isn't grey.

Also, Ogre Army is now up for sale, looks pretty sweet for £50:



Compared to the GW battalion, it has 3 more ogres for £15 less. Considering that the ogres are one of the few things that GW makes that can be considered to be reasonably priced, that's not bad at all.

I'll definitely pick up a Mantic ogre army, looks like a nice quick side project that doesn't require much effort to assemble and paint.

New update, wave 2 is shipping - everyone's free gargoyles and immortal guard got delayed til August but to make up for it, everyone's free fleabag riders and brock riders get doubled.

These are now up for advance orders on Mantic's site (which means I can now show my photos!):

Oh excellent! Those are restic? Hot damn!

And, let me be the first to say, those look really great! (+edit+ curses Judgedoug.. )

Really like the little details on them, like the packs attached to their saddles etc.

And the mounts look cool also, kind of like some kind of wolf/critter hybrid.

Really nice paintjob as well by the way!

I also painted up archer torsos for these, but I didn't get pictures of those myself. I really need a dedicated photo area and I was struggling to get good shots. Moving studio soon I think, so stuff like that should be doable.

Yeah, they're restic for the most part. Some metal heads and components for the command group. I actually prefer the restic components though.

The lower legs are moulded to the mounts, yes, with a nice socket for the upper torso. Very easy to magnetise to swap out for mounted heroes etc. Not sure how they're being packaged but where there's a will there's a way...

It looks like the legs/lower bodies are molded to the fleabags?

The Trolls are defiantly out in the wild now for non-KS buyers as I've just had my shipping email for them

and I like those fleabag riders, not so keen on the beasts (good paintjobs though, just not the minis for me)

Spotted: the giant Ogre army set includes Ogres on chariots, and wagons full of powder kegs (suicide chariots?)

Powder Kegs ?

No, it sounds like the must have 'wagon of beer' vital for all Dwarf armies

Bring out the drunken dwarves!

I think those riders / cavalry are OK, but the paint job is really good!!

Apparently there is also a web exclusive ogre veterans pack for the miniatures? Be interested to know exactly what they're talking about.

Top, you can see Ogre Chariot and the "red Goblin Blaster" (powder keg wagon)

Also if you look closely these goblin archers are not quite the current plastics. I am wondering if they got remolded.

Anyway this is from the Grokagamok's Granite Fists online army deal.