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**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I think it's not entirely Jakes fault as Mantic seems to keep jumping him onto new projects before the last one is fully finished

and polishing one game while designing another is never a recipe for success

**heartserenade**

When are they gonna release it in stores? I kinda missed the kickstarter but I want the tiles and miniatures for my DnD games.

**overtyrant**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think it's not entirely Jakes fault as Mantic seems to keep jumping him onto new projects before the last one is fully finished

and polishing one game while designing another is never a recipe for success

You're probably right I just feel his rules are lacking......something.

**Tyr13**

@heartserenade: Some time in september, though you can already preorder in some places. Might even get you the retail exclusive Mortibris.

**Pacific**

If DS falls some way away from Descent, then for me that might be a good thing. Have played that game a lot and it seems to bring out the 'beard' in players that aren't usually like it. A lot of convolution in the rules, loop holes and the like, I seem to spend more time arguing when playing than any other board game I can think of. Which makes it stand out, as usually dungeon-delving games in the past (the likes of Heroquest, Warhammer Quest etc.) are just such damned fun.

overtyrant wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think it's not entirely Jakes fault as Mantic seems to keep jumping him onto new projects before the last one is fully finished

and polishing one game while designing another is never a recipe for success

You're probably right I just feel his rules are lacking......something.

Dreadball is an absolutely cracking game. Tremendous fun, easy to pick up but with a surprising amount of depth.

**overtyrant**

Pacific wrote:
If DS falls some way away from Descent, then for me that might be a good thing. Have played that game a lot and it seems to bring out the 'beard' in players that aren't usually like it. A lot of convolution in the rules, loop holes and the like, I seem to spend more time arguing when playing than any other board game I can think of. Which makes it stand out, as usually dungeon-delving games in the past (the likes of Heroquest, Warhammer Quest etc.) are just such damned fun.

overtyrant wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think it's not entirely Jakes fault as Mantic seems to keep jumping him onto new projects before the last one is fully finished

and polishing one game while designing another is never a recipe for success

You're probably right I just feel his rules are lacking......something.

Dreadball is an absolutely cracking game. Tremendous fun, easy to pick up but with a surprising amount of depth.

No doubt about it, its a great game. As long as you take away teams like asterians and rebels or nerf them a bit but not down to judwan levels, any judwan players out there? No didn't think so! Oh and forge father strikers need looking at as well. Just please keep JT away from writing the rules for teams/armies/forces etc....

**Psychopomp**

Over on his Quirkworthy.com blog, Jake cleared up the confusion with the "8 tiles" in the Wayland Dungeon Saga listing...

There's 8 *sheets* of tiles. He didn't have an exact count, but estimated somewhere over 20 individual tiles.

**timetowaste85**

Weren't Judwan broken not too long ago? Like OP from shoving people onto the ball? Did they turn around so badly that they're unplayable?

**overtyrant**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Weren't Judwan broken not too long ago? Like OP from shoving people onto the ball? Did they turn around so badly that they're unplayable?

yup completely unplayable now! They lost 1 in speed and gained nothing so now they have a very hard time dodging. Because they only have 6 players (as opposed to the average of 8) abd can only dodge and not slam back they get knocked out faster then a goblin in a middle of a dwarf beer frenzy! Thing with DB is it's a game that heavily caters for fast teams like asterians and the like, and teams like Forge Fathers are a real struggle to play with to the point of giving up on them! I've actually done pretty good with them as I've played them a lot but they're not even a challenge to play with just so infuriating bad for the type of game DB is.

**Pacific**

Undoubtedly something needed to be done about Judwan though.. I'd never managed to beat them in a game, even against inexperienced players, and didn't they get something like the first 3-4 places in the tournament that was held at the Mantic open day? I remember, somewhat hilariously, a couple of people taking to the forums to argue that this was in fact just down to the hardcore skillz of the people playing the team.

Although I have yet to play against them with the rule change, 4+ speed is still pretty solid. And don't get me started about the Forge Fathers, for me these are almost to Dreadball as Goblins are to Bloodbowl, I seem to have a very hard time winning any games with them.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

I will say this as a hardcore Dwarf player in DB. They are not nearly as bad as people say IF IF IF you play in a proper campaign. They genuinely are a team that comes into its own picking up a couple skills, and then they work beautifully. :-)

**NTRabbit**

New picture of the retail box contents, taken to put on the retail box

Also the inside of the box - no vacuum insert, but some carboard dividers to stop the worst vertical compaction

This is final proof stuff. Also, the retail exclusive of legendary Mortibris is going to be on the Mantic points store, which seems fair to me. More pictures, of minis (painted masters) as well, on the latest KS update.

**overtyrant**

Those tiles seem awfully thin. Hopefully it's just the photo as I won't be happy if it's not thicker then the old DKH tiles. I'm hoping they will be as thick as the one in imperial assault.

**NTRabbit**

It's possible they're just thin printing proofs used for the photo, the "rulebooks" up the back are certainly just the printed front covers that Ronnie was showing off at the Open Day

**heartserenade**

Is there a list of what's included inside the retail boxes? Would they release supplementary boxes as well?

**NTRabbit**

heartserenade wrote:
Is there a list of what's included inside the retail boxes? Would they release supplementary boxes as well?

The retail contents are in the latest update, and not sure how they intend to package the expansions we funded

Spoiler:

**heartserenade**

Thanks. That seems to be a decent amount of stuff that I can use for DnD and KoW

**Pacific**

Is this new?

The set now up for pre-order on the Mantic webpage

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/dungeon-saga/product/dungeon-saga-the-dwarf-kings-quest.html#tab2

Has September 2015 as a release date, free Mortibris miniature if you pre-order before the end of July.

**Donomar**

Pacific wrote:
Is this new?

The set now up for pre-order on the Mantic webpage

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/dungeon-saga/product/dungeon-saga-the-dwarf-kings-quest.html#tab2

Has September 2015 as a release date, free Mortibris miniature if you pre-order before the end of July.

Think I'll pick up a copy of this and give it a go. Really like the look of the undead Dwarf models! Shame there's no way of ordering a full box of just them directly! I wonder will there be expansion boxsets of the extra stuff in the kickstarter?

**judgedoug**

Does anyone know when KS backers will get the KoW2 final pdf?

**Polonius**

Also, how do we report a change of address to Mantic for shipping pledges? I'm guessin they haven't shipped anything yet, but I ordered a ton of current stock and haven't recieved any yet.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

judgedoug wrote:
Does anyone know when KS backers will get the KoW2 final pdf?

Its getting final proofing right now, so I would suspect very shortly you'll be hearing about this.

Also, no existing product has shipped as Mantic is trying exceedingly hard to not take it on the chin with multiple shipments. Everything sans Campaign Book, Abyssals, and Nature, will ship... if I had to guess, end of July through August.

Contacting Stewart is probably your best bet for change of address stuff, btw. stewart.gibbs@manticgames.com

**Theophony**

Polonius wrote:
Also, how do we report a change of address to Mantic for shipping pledges? I'm guessin they haven't shipped anything yet, but I ordered a ton of current stock and haven't recieved any yet.

Change your address in the kickstarter settings, they should draw the info from there.

**DaveC**

They take the address from the pledge manager not your kickstarter profile email Rich to update it

rich.armstrong@manticgames.com

**Azazelx**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Also, no existing product has shipped as Mantic is trying exceedingly hard to not take it on the chin with multiple shipments. Everything sans Campaign Book, Abyssals, and Nature, will ship... if I had to guess, end of July through August.

A shame that's not what they promised during the campaign. They were supposed to ship all of the existing army stuff ASAP after closing the PM. It'll be 4 months before they ship any of that. (and no, I'm not waiting on anything myself).

**Nostromodamus**

Yup, I pledged a four-figure sum on the understanding that the vast majority would ship immediately.

Not super-important to me, but mildly annoying as I'm looking forward to playing and am a bit annoyed they went back on their word.

Annoying that they also cancelled the print versions of the "choose your own adventure" books on DS too. I had pledged for multiple copies of those for my Wife's classroom. Had to spend the credit on dice.

What Mantic says during the "please give us money" bit and what you get during the "Oh yeah, we're supposed to give you stuff" bit seem to not always correlate exactly...

**lord marcus**

Alex C wrote:
Yup, I pledged a four-figure sum on the understanding that the vast majority would ship immediately.

Not super-important to me, but mildly annoying as I'm looking forward to playing and am a bit annoyed they went back on their word.

Annoying that they also cancelled the print versions of the "choose your own adventure" books on DS too. I had pledged for multiple copies of those for my Wife's classroom. Had to spend the credit on dice.

What Mantic says during the "please give us money" bit and what you get during the "Oh yeah, we're supposed to give you stuff" bit seem to not always correlate exactly...

Mostly because they are juggling 3 different kickstarters at once.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Alex C wrote:
Yup, I pledged a four-figure sum on the understanding that the vast majority would ship immediately.

Not super-important to me, but mildly annoying as I'm looking forward to playing and am a bit annoyed they went back on their word.

Annoying that they also cancelled the print versions of the "choose your own adventure" books on DS too. I had pledged for multiple copies of those for my Wife's classroom. Had to spend the credit on dice.

What Mantic says during the "please give us money" bit and what you get during the "Oh yeah, we're supposed to give you stuff" bit seem to not always correlate exactly...

Yeah. I spent about $800 between out-of-pocket and some "salary" for prior work, and had planned to run around demo'ing and organizing a KoW community all summer long at two regional game stores. I ended up having to cobble together two modest demo armies to do that same job of community building...

At least I got buzz going, and can attest to the gaming being stellar and absolutely worth the wait. I don't love the details of a contract being changed after the fact, but I do know in the long run, if they deliver and support a killer game (which is a given on both counts) then I can forgive the little muck-ups.

**Polonius**

Alex C wrote:
What Mantic says during the "please give us money" bit and what you get during the "Oh yeah, we're supposed to give you stuff" bit seem to not always correlate exactly...

I know that as games designers, I have a ton of respect for them. And as people, they're great if you meet them at a con. I personally think they're great folks, and they're rules are amazing.

As a retailer, my resevoir of goodwill towards them is pretty depleted. I also pledged big for armies that I was hoping to use this spring, and they aren't even close to arriving.

**Nostromodamus**

Oh no doubt they are great people and their games rank among my favorites, but take their campaign promises with a pinch of salt.