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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
...the Haggis probably deserved to be destroyed, just for being Haggis.

I'd contact Mantic about those customs fees. As a US customer I don't think you were supposed to be getting hit with those.

I'm wondering if I can run some Stormcast Eternals as Basilean infantry of some sort (Men at Arms/ Paladins). 3 of them take up almost the same amount of space as a 10 man unit of regular Mantic guys- would that be allowed? I don't want to count them as Elohi since they don't have wings or anything.

I wouldn't be overly happy about it; they look like large infantry and that makes it a bit of a confusing sight given how the stats of MaA really aren't remotely like what you'd expect from large infantry (and 40mm depth of large infantry is a regiment while 40mm depth of infantry is just a troop, and so on...). Be a pleasant enough opponent and you'll get away with it, but it's stretching it.
Personally I'd say it would be better if you *did* play them as Elohi and they'd just be understood to float/warp/whatever.
Oh and they wouldn't get close to meeting Mantic's guidelines for minimum number of models/unit they just released, although it seems more than a few of us play a unit or two with the same issue .

 Bolognesus wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
...the Haggis probably deserved to be destroyed, just for being Haggis.

I'd contact Mantic about those customs fees. As a US customer I don't think you were supposed to be getting hit with those.

I'm wondering if I can run some Stormcast Eternals as Basilean infantry of some sort (Men at Arms/ Paladins). 3 of them take up almost the same amount of space as a 10 man unit of regular Mantic guys- would that be allowed? I don't want to count them as Elohi since they don't have wings or anything.

I wouldn't be overly happy about it; they look like large infantry and that makes it a bit of a confusing sight given how the stats of MaA really aren't remotely like what you'd expect from large infantry (and 40mm depth of large infantry is a regiment while 40mm depth of infantry is just a troop, and so on...). Be a pleasant enough opponent and you'll get away with it, but it's stretching it.
Personally I'd say it would be better if you *did* play them as Elohi and they'd just be understood to float/warp/whatever.
Oh and they wouldn't get close to meeting Mantic's guidelines for minimum number of models/unit they just released, although it seems more than a few of us play a unit or two with the same issue .

The newly released unit size minimums are only going to be enforced in competitive tournament settings. If you have a gaming group/club that you'll be primarily playing with/against and they're ok with it then you should be fine. If you are going to be playing in tournaments or looking to play pick up games you'd probably run into some problems and confusion. The scale of the Stormcast Eternals makes them ogre sized in KoW so you could run them as an ogre army instead of Basileans possibly. That might be a better fit.

Yeah, I'm thinking running them as Ogres is probably a better choice.

We'll use the Prosecutors or whatever the flying guys are as Elohi.

Proxying them as ogres would work great. One or two of the starters and you'd have a recently sized army pretty much straight up. I think moist units would 'look' their power level pretty nicely, too. The cav character would work as a chariot-mounted hero so everything pretty much works.

Bah, careful guys. If you keep this up people will start putting a single space marine on a regiment base just to prove that ten guys can handle an army

Most places i play that sort of behaviour would still get you a dreadsock to the noggin so that solves itself.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
...the Haggis probably deserved to be destroyed, just for being Haggis.

I'd contact Mantic about those customs fees. As a US customer I don't think you were supposed to be getting hit with those.

I'm wondering if I can run some Stormcast Eternals as Basilean infantry of some sort (Men at Arms/ Paladins). 3 of them take up almost the same amount of space as a 10 man unit of regular Mantic guys- would that be allowed? I don't want to count them as Elohi since they don't have wings or anything.

I wouldn't be overly happy about it; they look like large infantry and that makes it a bit of a confusing sight given how the stats of MaA really aren't remotely like what you'd expect from large infantry (and 40mm depth of large infantry is a regiment while 40mm depth of infantry is just a troop, and so on...). Be a pleasant enough opponent and you'll get away with it, but it's stretching it.
Personally I'd say it would be better if you *did* play them as Elohi and they'd just be understood to float/warp/whatever.
Oh and they wouldn't get close to meeting Mantic's guidelines for minimum number of models/unit they just released, although it seems more than a few of us play a unit or two with the same issue .

The newly released unit size minimums are only going to be enforced in competitive tournament settings. If you have a gaming group/club that you'll be primarily playing with/against and they're ok with it then you should be fine. If you are going to be playing in tournaments or looking to play pick up games you'd probably run into some problems and confusion. The scale of the Stormcast Eternals makes them ogre sized in KoW so you could run them as an ogre army instead of Basileans possibly. That might be a better fit.

So units will have a minimum number of models (instead of the previous 'do what you want as long as the footprint remains proper') for competitive/organized play?
Is that what is meant by unit size minimum?

privateer4hire wrote:

So units will have a minimum number of models (instead of the previous 'do what you want as long as the footprint remains proper') for competitive/organized play?
Is that what is meant by unit size minimum?

Yup. Apparently the new standard is:

1 - Minimum models 1
3 - Minimum models 2
5 - Minimum models 3
10 - Minimum models 6
20 - Minimum models 11
40 - Minimum models 21
60 - Minimum models 41

privateer4hire wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
...the Haggis probably deserved to be destroyed, just for being Haggis.

I'd contact Mantic about those customs fees. As a US customer I don't think you were supposed to be getting hit with those.

I'm wondering if I can run some Stormcast Eternals as Basilean infantry of some sort (Men at Arms/ Paladins). 3 of them take up almost the same amount of space as a 10 man unit of regular Mantic guys- would that be allowed? I don't want to count them as Elohi since they don't have wings or anything.

I wouldn't be overly happy about it; they look like large infantry and that makes it a bit of a confusing sight given how the stats of MaA really aren't remotely like what you'd expect from large infantry (and 40mm depth of large infantry is a regiment while 40mm depth of infantry is just a troop, and so on...). Be a pleasant enough opponent and you'll get away with it, but it's stretching it.
Personally I'd say it would be better if you *did* play them as Elohi and they'd just be understood to float/warp/whatever.
Oh and they wouldn't get close to meeting Mantic's guidelines for minimum number of models/unit they just released, although it seems more than a few of us play a unit or two with the same issue .

The newly released unit size minimums are only going to be enforced in competitive tournament settings. If you have a gaming group/club that you'll be primarily playing with/against and they're ok with it then you should be fine. If you are going to be playing in tournaments or looking to play pick up games you'd probably run into some problems and confusion. The scale of the Stormcast Eternals makes them ogre sized in KoW so you could run them as an ogre army instead of Basileans possibly. That might be a better fit.

So units will have a minimum number of models (instead of the previous 'do what you want as long as the footprint remains proper') for competitive/organized play?
Is that what is meant by unit size minimum?

Just a quick note that 'do what you want as long as the footprint remains proper' hasn't ever been the official word. The official word has always been "aim for no less than 70-80%" and the rulebook states "reasonably close". There was a recent influx of posts in various groups showing armies that do not convey the Mass Battles aim of KoW, so Mantic are releasing stronger guidelines of absolute bear minimums (that are still extremely lenient).

 DaveC wrote:
Both the KoW and DBX KS FAQ had this on shipping

Where will my package be shipped from?

All of the Kickstarter rewards will be shipped directly from our warehouse in Nottingham, UK, so our EU backers will not have to pay import taxes.

also

Please check with your local customs office for any charges that may apply to your shipment as you will be responsible for these.

So import fees are a matter for backers not Mantic

And another reason to not back their next project . Don't they have a U.S. office to ship from?

 GrimDork wrote:
Bah, careful guys. If you keep this up people will start putting a single space marine on a regiment base just to prove that ten guys can handle an army

Someone somewhere has actually made movement trays for their Space Marines to use as a KoW army..............

 Theophony wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Both the KoW and DBX KS FAQ had this on shipping

Where will my package be shipped from?

All of the Kickstarter rewards will be shipped directly from our warehouse in Nottingham, UK, so our EU backers will not have to pay import taxes.

also

Please check with your local customs office for any charges that may apply to your shipment as you will be responsible for these.

So import fees are a matter for backers not Mantic

And another reason to not back their next project . Don't they have a U.S. office to ship from?

While I do feel your pain (that right there was the reason why I didnt back Bones 3), I think youre overestimating Mantic here. Theyre still pretty tiny. Foreign offices are still pretty far off at this point.

they do have a cupboard under the stairs at an (lawyers?) office which is technically a US presence is why they can run KS in $,

but it's not somewhere anybody actually works (maybe a sales rep?) as far as I'm aware

6 11 and so on? Those are teeny requirements, think I'm good.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Most places i play that sort of behaviour would still get you a dreadsock to the noggin so that solves itself.

Only us old timers fear the Dreadsock anymore. We're the same ones who still have terrain with colored moss, and gasp whenever anything's 'pre-measured'.


These kids today aren't afraid of getting socked with a plastic Hellbrute.

In my experience proper fear of dreadsocking can be readily attained through even moderately frequent demonstrations.

...As an added bonus, it makes such a lovely sound when you connect

I think with the advent of plastic it's the process is now officially to apply a gymbag (not sock) containing the new chaos fortress to their heads

Not to get too far off topic, but the ultimate in 40k heavy blunt objects would have been the limited ed. metal thunderhawk.




On Topic: I really like how they've made the beastmen for Kings of war into 'The Herd'. And they have cool stuff like elephant stampedes. I also like that they aren't filthy depraved blood crazed animal people. They seem much more mellow, and 'connected' to nature, and the animal kingdom, whereas the Elves and forest shamblers are more attuned to the Plants and elements.

Going to have to check out that Beastmen list.

Maybe I can put all these wolf, rhino, and other assorted animal people to use in that.

I was thinking of getting those new savage hunters or whatever they were called in Bones 3 as it was, they might make good infantry for the herd, especially if they can run lots of large/ monstrous infantry.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Going to have to check out that Beastmen list.

Maybe I can put all these wolf, rhino, and other assorted animal people to use in that.

I was thinking of getting those new savage hunters or whatever they were called in Bones 3 as it was, they might make good infantry for the herd, especially if they can run lots of large/ monstrous infantry.

It's pretty cool, some units can have 'hunting animals' which is a one time use ranged attack of a swarm of lil critters attacking a unit. There's the stampede, which is Rhinos, elephants, or other big lumbering beasts. And even an 'Avatar' creature, which is a giant animal which is actually a hero/character. I sort of imagine it's something like Aslan, or the weird deer thing in Princess mononoke.

Here's the link to the beta lists.

http://www.manticgames.com/free-rules.html

I'm pretty ok with the idea of using Stormcast in place of normal-sized infantry as long as you use a tray or something to make the unit footprint match.

A variant on the idea: use them as Paladin Knights. You'll be closer to the full model count that way.

Is there an KoW 2.0 errata or anything out there? Something that summarizes the min-model count and maybe some FAQ action?

 skullking wrote:
Not to get too far off topic, but the ultimate in 40k heavy blunt objects would have been the limited ed. metal thunderhawk.

Spoiler:

On Topic: I really like how they've made the beastmen for Kings of war into 'The Herd'. And they have cool stuff like elephant stampedes. I also like that they aren't filthy depraved blood crazed animal people. They seem much more mellow, and 'connected' to nature, and the animal kingdom, whereas the Elves and forest shamblers are more attuned to the Plants and elements.

Off topic: you must have big socks

On topic: there a "generic" large infantry entry in The Herd to cover a range of things like Minotaurs, Rhinomen, any-large-infantry-man - Brutes


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FAQ is mostly done, not sure about release date

Great, thanks!

The herd list does look really interesting. Centaurs and werewolves all in one place A little sad the werewolves don't have some sort of regen ability though. I worry they might not be werewolf tough.

The lycans currently do have regen. You need to keep an eye on the lists as they develop during beta testing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XgQY5vVHs_V19N_2lsrpk59SIF9hi6_KDBqkmyitRro/htmlview#gid=812440539

Well, I'll be damned! Thanks Matt. I was looking at the PDF on Mantic's site, not the spreadsheet there. Better bookmark that bad boy

I don't suppose they are going to dial down the Breath(20) on the lizard man monsters any time soon? Faced two of them in a 1500 game the other day and they just wrecked a horde of ork greatax. Sad times :(

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
...the Haggis probably deserved to be destroyed, just for being Haggis.

I'd contact Mantic about those customs fees. As a US customer I don't think you were supposed to be getting hit with those.

I'm wondering if I can run some Stormcast Eternals as Basilean infantry of some sort (Men at Arms/ Paladins). 3 of them take up almost the same amount of space as a 10 man unit of regular Mantic guys- would that be allowed? I don't want to count them as Elohi since they don't have wings or anything.

Hey! I happen to like Haggis!

The Auld grump - who also likes Black Pudding.

The drakes are going down to 16. We've made a ton of new changes which should go up tomorrow evening.

I wish I could just hibernate till then!

Has anyone noticed that these little dudes are now available for pre-order?



Apologies if this is old news.