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I've a vage suspicion of feb/march but not sure where I've got it from so I could well be wrong

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Have we seen what the greater elemental will look like for the Nature army?

It was supposed to have been based off of the Obsidian Golem, but I don't even know what the final art looks like.

Last I saw it was kind of kaiju- like with a tail and everything...

The greater earth elemental is the Greater Obsidian Golem with an arm and head swap. I haven't seen pictures of the elemental head or arms, but if you go look at the golem you'll get a pretty good idea about the elemental.

Scratch that, someone has done an unboxing of the KS edition of the Golem with close ups of the Elemental parts (KS backers got both options in the box, retail gets one or the other) http://diehardgamefan.com/2015/09/16/tabletop-review-abyssal-dwarf-greater-obsidian-golem-kings-of-war-second-edition/

Man, Mantic really love their stubby legs, don't they?

It's a weird aesthetic choice isn't it? Maybe they thought they it appeal to the Warmahorde demographic or something?

It does seem like they might have came to their senses lately as the newly released zombie trolls is much better proportioned than their living counterparts.

Has the final expansion been shipped to backers yet? The black fortress tiles?

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Has the final expansion been shipped to backers yet? The black fortress tiles?

I got those before I got my main pledge.

 Alex C wrote:

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Has the final expansion been shipped to backers yet? The black fortress tiles?

I got those before I got my main pledge.

I think they ran out, a lot of us didn't get them, just a note on the invoice saying they were coming to us at a later date. Mine aren't here yet.

I also got mine way before my main pledge. They're nothing special.

I think the company in China loaded them into a different container which meant the shipped separately to the rest.

My Black Fortress tiles came with all my stuff that was shipped directly from Mantic.

I have NEVER gotten the stubby leg aesthetic, from any company. Why? What's the purpose?

Hate it on the Trollkin, hate in on the all the jacks, hate it on the Ogres, hate it on most sculpts in general...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


I have NEVER gotten the stubby leg aesthetic, from any company. Why? What's the purpose?

Hate it on the Trollkin, hate in on the all the jacks, hate it on the Ogres, hate it on most sculpts in general...

I assume it's to emphasise the upper body strength/musculature on "brute" style characters, but it's way overdone in most cases.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
My Black Fortress tiles came with all my stuff that was shipped directly from Mantic.

I have NEVER gotten the stubby leg aesthetic, from any company. Why? What's the purpose?

Hate it on the Trollkin, hate in on the all the jacks, hate it on the Ogres, hate it on most sculpts in general...

For Warmachine I have a feeling it was supposed to evoke the idea of an American Football Player, the jack silhouette. I could be completely misremembering that of course. Hence the emphasis on upper body, most noticeably the shoulders.

Also, I was told by someone who is in a place to know, that essentially Matt pitched the idea of a competitor to 40K but more (more!?!) medieval to Wizards when he worked for them, but they rejected it. Hence the large shoulderpad aesthetic. The core vibe was medieval Space Marines. Again, this may be hearsay, but the person who told me is someone who would know.

Cheaper to cast diddy legs too I suppose

It also helps convey they're hulking brutes without having to have massive models. It's kinda like a super heroic scale thing.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I have NEVER gotten the stubby leg aesthetic, from any company. Why? What's the purpose?

Hate it on the Trollkin, hate in on the all the jacks, hate it on the Ogres, hate it on most sculpts in general...

Don't like it either. I especially hate it in anime - any character that's not a frail effeminate waif is an overmuscled mountain with short stubby legs.

Finally got my KoW rulebooks from the Kickstarter!

When I phoned, they were waiting for more Blaines. I told Rich I was happy without the figure and asked him drop it from my pledge.

The parcel arrived today and they'd slipped in a copy of Uncharted Empires to make up for it

Anybody here missing an Uncharted Empires book?

privateer4hire wrote:
Anybody here missing an Uncharted Empires book?

That was never part of the kickstarter.

Mantic have just started shipping Wave 2 of the KoW ks

We expect to have all of the packages out of the building by the 31st December, and expect them to have all arrived before the 25th January 2016.

Please wait until Monday 25th January 2016 for your package to arrive before emailing in asking where your order is, or submitting a missing items form.

(they seemed to get missing item forms for wave 1 Before the first date when people were asked to send them in, and lots of forms about stuff that was never meant to have been sent so please be careful, the more 'junk' forms they have to get through the harder it is for them to be on top of the real missing item.... which because its manitc there are lots of)


the wave 2 list
Forces of the Abyss Abyssal Champion Metal
Forces of the Abyss Abyssal Fiend Resin
Forces of the Abyss Abyssal Iffrit Metal
Forces of the Abyss Abyssal Molochs (3 figures) Metal
Forces of the Abyss Abyssal Succubi Regiment (20 figures) hard Plastic
Forces of the Abyss Lower Abyssal Regiment (20 figures) Hard Plastic
Forces of the Abyss Mega Starter Army Hard Plastic/Metal
Forces of the Abyss Starter Army Hard Plastic Forces of the Abyss Dice Set Dice
Forces of Nature Druid Metal
Forces of Nature Centaur Hero Metal
Forces of Nature Naiads (20 figures) Hard plastic
Forces of Nature Salamander (20 figures) Hard plastic
Forces of Nature Starter Army Hard plastic
Forces of Nature Mega Starter Army Hard plastic/Metal
Forces of Nature Dice Set Dice

Basilean Lord on Dragon Hard plastic/Metal Elf King on Dragon Hard plastic/Metal
Abyssal Dwarf Supreme Ironcaster on greater winged abyssal Hard plastic/Metal

Campaign Character Pack Valandor + Ba'el Hard Plastic

Kings of War Campaign Book Softback Book Digital Copy of


Campaign Book Digital (Living Legend and above, if you qualify you should get an email link within 24hrs)

I don't see anything about the nature elementals in that wave II stuff. That's odd.

I don't think there were any elementals in the Kickstarter were there?

 mattjgilbert wrote:
I don't think there were any elementals in the Kickstarter were there?

Greater Earth Elemental aka Obsidian Golem.

It's already out and is part of the army sets.

Were both sets of parts included? I know the Greater Obsidian ones are out, but haven't seen any in the wild.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Were both sets of parts included? I know the Greater Obsidian ones are out, but haven't seen any in the wild.

I think so, I don't have it to confirm though.

Presumably the elementals for nature are included in the army sets listed.

The elementals were a wave 1 release, if you ordered extras you got a combination greater obsidian golem/ earth elemental kit. The ones included in the armies arrive in wave 2.

Well, I still haven't heard anything back about what's going on with my stuff, so I went ahead and submitted a missing item form explaining what happened. Hopefully this was some sort of apology for my missing DBX stuff and I will still be getting my Abyssals (and with luck, my DBX stuff).

Barzam, Have you contacted on Facebook? My buddy backs Mantic KS's regularly and he's found Ronnie Renton gets things done when messaged there. Not defending that process as the model for customer service but it's helped my buddy get the stuff he's paid for.

 Charles Rampant wrote:
Man, Mantic really love their stubby legs, don't they?

Yeah, I was thinking the model didn't look half bad until I saw it from the straight-on POV angle that showcased those legs. Ouch!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Were both sets of parts included? I know the Greater Obsidian ones are out, but haven't seen any in the wild.

Scroll up, I posted this on the same page

http://diehardgamefan.com/2015/09/16/tabletop-review-abyssal-dwarf-greater-obsidian-golem-kings-of-war-second-edition/

I want to like that mini but the legs are far to small!