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More news from Mike

Okay - firm news on the shipping at last.

The UK sets are due at port on December 26th.

I don't have an ETA for the US sets, but they are also on the ocean, and I think they will hit land before Christmas.

More when I have it.

I will also have some more images of KS sculpts to post, as soon as I have time to set the camera up.

cheers,

mike

And this from Ali

You know the gutting thing for us is that this project was near as damn it on time until the small matter of the printer running off with all the company's money. We could have never have seen that coming. It was gutting news to get and ofcourse completely out of our hands.

What we do know is that we have a really great product (now we have one in hand)......and yes it's late but it is on it's way.

JAG is actually sat at our kitchen table reading the rule book as I type this

good to hear,

so fingers crossed for late jan shipping

Early January surely if the stuff is arriving just after Christmas?

Either way, good news!

If it arrives on 26th customs will be on holiday go slow, with lots of stuff backed up because of extra Xmas shipment

So I'd say 2-3 weeks before it gets to Mike & Ali and can ship

Hmm, I guess that is reasonable! Just a shame that I will be back in university by then, no time to play around with my new shiny plastic goodness.

They mention UK and US copies. I am niether.

And "JAG"?

You're undoubtedly a US copy. To be shipped out last after the US orders have been taken care of.

Yeah, I would expect that the Oz customers will have theirs shipped from the US.

So far the only thing to expect when it comes to CMON Kickstarters is the unexpected.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They mention UK and US copies. I am niether.

And "JAG"?

JAG - Jacques Alexandre Gillois freelance sculptor he is one of the sculptors for Studio McVey/Sedition Wars he sculpted the Grendlr amongst others.
He also sculpted the Phoenix for Kingdom Death:Monster

EU orders will ship from the UK all other orders ship from the US

So are all the figures sculpted and included, or is there to be separate shipping later on?

And is there still to be a free figure included due to there being a screwup previously?

Really wish that Mike and Ali would use Kickstarter to announce things rather than via a forum. If it wasn't for dakkadakka, I would likely still be in the dark.

All the bonus figures that were just concept art during the KS come in a sort of "Round Two" package. Around March next year I think (same time as the Zombicide ones I believe).

 Fenriswulf wrote:
So are all the figures sculpted and included, or is there to be separate shipping later on?

And is there still to be a free figure included due to there being a screwup previously?

Really wish that Mike and Ali would use Kickstarter to announce things rather than via a forum. If it wasn't for dakkadakka, I would likely still be in the dark.

Mike & Ali can't update via KS, only the project creator CMON can (why they don't do so more often who knows)

Slight further update from Mike.

The US shipments are due in right at the same time as the UK ones, so it looks like we will be shipping out actual orders starting from early January.

Obviously this is to be confirmed once the containers hit the warehouse - at that point we will be able to give concrete information.

At least they are all on the way now though.

cheers

mike

If I were a pirate I know what container I would hit!

If you were a 'real pirate', it certainly wouldn't be the Sedition Wars one!

Mike's getting a good few posts in today in answer to whether the Biohazard extras are on target for March..

"...The honest answer is - I *think so*. Many of the sculpts are done and ready for mastering, and the last ones are all under way (apart from one large and complex one - but that's scheduled).

The real challenge with the extra KS sculpts was booking time with sculptors who's work I thought fitted the range. The people I like to work with tend to be quite busy. Add to that the fact that I have 20+ new sculpts for AoS to get done as well, and it's quite a juggling act.

I can't give a definite 'ye's that they will be delivered in March - but we'll give it our best shot - and I'll keep you updated...

mike"


AoS is the first expansion so there will be 20 new sculpts for that when it's released the plan is to go straight to retail with AoS no Kickstarter.

Sounds like April-June, then. Silly me. I would have thought the right thing to do would be to finish delivering on the stuff people have already paid for months ago as part of funding the base game before prioritising the expansion.

Probably a good thing it's going straight to retail, really...

Scip, he gave the explanation - if the sculptors are booked then the sculptors are booked. And you act as if they can't do both have people sculpting models and them working on the expansion simultaneously.

Me thinks Scipio.au probably shouldn't back kickstarters.

Either way it is probably a good thing that there is no kickstarter for the next one. They made enough to get the ball rolling on everything and that's all they really needed. I do hope that they start to box and sell some of the individual models seperately though.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Me thinks Scipio.au probably shouldn't back kickstarters.

It is starting to look that way, isn't it?

High expectations + somewhat inevitable delays = inescapable, bitter disappointment?

He might be better served spending his money only on 'in stock' items

Anyway.... cool to hear updates, and nice to hear about what is coming next - 20 new sculpts? Nice!

Does this mean a pre-order might soon be cancelled and put up as an auction, as with Zombicide?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Me thinks Scipio.au probably shouldn't back kickstarters.

Either way it is probably a good thing that there is no kickstarter for the next one. They made enough to get the ball rolling on everything and that's all they really needed. I do hope that they start to box and sell some of the individual models seperately though.

mike has said they will be selling the figures as "UNITS " once its all sorted {im guessing its only going to be from the studio mcvey shop}

Don't mind delays as long as they get it done right and I eventually get my product. Rushing and product and making mistakes means it will be a bad product forever with no future.

Regarding the first expansion, is it Firebrand only? or Firebrand with some Vanguard or Strain? or that other new faction Bounty Hunters.

The first expansion was originally intended to be a small extension to Battle for Alabaster adding additional corridor tiles and using the same factions but it has expanded into a much bigger game as you can see from the 20+ miniature sculpts required for it. The Firebrand and Bounty Hunters were due to be part of the second expansion but they may have changed that since as they developed the expansions work has been onging for awhile now. I don't know much more than you guys do about the expansions at this time.

All I heard was 'additional corridor tiles'.

Make time go faster please.

 DaveC wrote:
I don't know much more than you guys do about the expansions at this time.

Liar!

everyone hold him down and give him a pink belly until he tells us what he really knows!

 BrookM wrote:
Does this mean a pre-order might soon be cancelled and put up as an auction, as with Zombicide?

I have 3 Biohazard sets, if people are interested in buying one with all extras please make an offer to me via PM. You are responsible for full shipping costs when it arrives. (Selling a possible 2 sets)

There is a guy in the UK that may be interested on the Sedition Wars forum.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Scip, he gave the explanation - if the sculptors are booked then the sculptors are booked. And you act as if they can't do both have people sculpting models and them working on the expansion simultaneously.

Actually, that's what Mike seems to be saying. Well, more that he'll be bumping some of the second-round KS sculpts (paid for) in order to get expansion sculpts done faster. Which is what I find annoying. If the sculptors are booked solid, then fine. But if they're available, IMO they should be working on the stuff that's paid for by the KS backers rather than on new stuff for the expansion.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Me thinks Scipio.au probably shouldn't back kickstarters.

It is starting to look that way, isn't it?
High expectations + somewhat inevitable delays = inescapable, bitter disappointment?
He might be better served spending his money only on 'in stock' items
Anyway.... cool to hear updates, and nice to hear about what is coming next - 20 new sculpts? Nice!

I'm ok with some delays. Nothing could be done about the printer that ran off with the money. It's disappointing, sure, but it's out of Mike's hands. Tre'/RBG was a bit ..ambitious about his shipping times, but in that thread I said both that I'd prefer a delay over rushed sculpts and not to stress about part-shipping orders, and to send them when they're done. Reaper originally said they'd have a huge pile of Sophies in my/our hands by September. Now it's nothing until March. Dreamforge will have the first run in my hands in.. October.

So yeah, I am growing a bit weary of "inevitable" delays (why are they all inevitable again? How is it the backer's fault?) but mostly I've just been accepting of it as "gak happens" and hopefully these companies will be better organised and more realistic next time.

On the other hand. I get a bit pissed off when:
1) Companies who make all kinds of communication right up until the money stops coming in disappear from the face of the earth, and a 2-minute email to the people who gave them $100k or $1m becomes way too much bother.
2) Companies decide that they want to run a second Kickstarter before they've finished delivering on the first.
3) Companies decide to prioritise other/new projects over delivering on their KS obligations ASAP.

For example, McVey falls into #3). RBG was almost #2). Dreamforge is none of the above. (though the Facebook thing is a bit annoying, but it's not quite anger-inducing). Trollforged is again, none of the above.

But yep, absolutely. The likelihood of me backing new Kickstarters is dropping all the time. The Damsels one has some nice looking digital sculpts, but there's nothing I need there, or stuff that's not just as well served by buying a few Reaper figures off the pegs. (I also scratch my head at the december projected delivery date - they might not even have the money from Amazon before Christmas). Imbrian Arts? Nice models, sure. But I can buy Rackham sculpts off eBay (or off SImon models) for the same or less.

One thing I"ll say for KD - he's set the delivery date so far back that with any decent amount of planning, he can only deliver on time or well before. A good move to avoid those nasty disappointments that keep coming along.