Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Boardgame. $951k FINISH!

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**DaveC**

I think there's been a misunderstanding here all of the KS miniatures are either finished (Mike should have more pictures soon) or the sculptors have already been commissioned to do the miniatures and they are currently being sculpted and they will submit them soon once sculpted there is only 1 of KS miniatures left to sort out and from Mike's post it's either the Gnosis or Aphid suit but it's being sorted.

Ali posted earlier that JAG spent the weekend with them to go over the AoS concepts as he will be doing a lot of the work for them the McVeys need the book these sculptors in advance as most are in high demand right now and are working for several companies on their projects so you've got to get in line to get your miniatures sculpted.

**Makaleth**

@Scipio: Are you in for KD as well. Thought that would be up your alley.

Agree with the delays and comms comments. I think you are vocal about it but disappointed would be a fair comment.

As for companies prioritizing stuff from other projects before KS stuff, that's a reality in business sadly. Sure, would love them to fulfill stuff first, but they are under no obligation, it would just be goodwill. Goodwill could put food on the table long term, but after seeing my little brother start a small business, short term needs can come up very fast.

**AegisGrimm**

You have to understand the length of lead time involved in a project that's released as it's entirety as a single package like a boardgame (rather than piecemeal like minis wargames forces usually are), involving concept art, sculpting, the entire rigamarole of artwork proofing (for the rulebook and counters creation and layout), setting up schedules with printers and shippers, etc.

If they waited until everything was done for Battle for Alabaster before starting the next project's opening stages, who knows? It could be late 2013 or even maybe 2014 before it showed up in stores. And then people would be griping about the huge span of time between Battle for Alabaster and the next release.

I;m not saying it doesn;t seriously suck to not have the game shipping right now so I can play it, but my running theory is that as long as I get everything shipped to me that was promised for the Stage 1 Biohazard shipment, after this long I can probably live with late January as a delivery time, and then hope for a good Stage 2 timetable to show up soon afterwards.

**Pacific**

I guess the best thing to do is not put all of your hobby eggs in kickstarter-baskets, and to perhaps see them as an investment that will eventually (hopefully) give you some great value miniatures. I've got other projects to do in the meantime and aren't that bothered about the delays (although a strain-attack in amongst mince pies and ginger wine might have been nice!

), so I don't have to stand each morning staring at my letter box and breathing heavily.

**gilljoy**

Any idea when we'll be able to purchase the boxset? I missed out on the kickstarter :(

**Breotan**

January?

**Duncan_Idaho**

3) Companies decide to prioritise other/new projects over delivering on their KS obligations ASAP.

Lead time for board games is generally 1-2 years depending on the product. If you don´t start as soon as you have finished commisioning the first product your customers are in for a long wait...
Also McVey could either twiddle their thumbs after being finished with the preparations for Alabaster or already work on the follow-up product. Alabaster is in the pipline and McVey can only say yes or no to certain finals and questions and that´s as much as he can do now. Everything else is in the hands of the factory/transport company.

But I can buy Rackham sculpts off eBay (or off SImon models) for the same or less.

Of which most of these days are cheap chinese recasts....

**IdentifyZero**

Given all the extras we got, regardless of wait it was a good value. Yes, it's disappointing to be getting it several months late mind you.

**RiTides**

DaveC / others who are familiar with multiple Kickstarters- do you have any information on the plastics used for the various CMON Kickstarters?

Zombiecide
Relic Knights
Sedition Wars

Different each one?

Also, was Super Dungeon Explore a CMON product?

I ask because Kingdom Death has said they are using the same PVC plastic source as Super Dungeon Explore and Privateer Press.

From what I've seen in-person, those 2 things are different than the Zombiecide plastic. And I hope that Sedition Wars is also using a higher quality plastic than the Zombiecide (which was rather soft on detail and a little bendy- fine for zombies, but not for the sharp sci-fi Sedition Wars look, imo).

Any info would be great! This might deserve a thread in Discussions, but it seems you guys don't have anything else to talk about here atm

so I might was well bring it up here where some folks might be in the know.

**DaveC**

Difficult to comment without having the miniatures but from information I’ve seen I believe Sedition Wars and Relic Knights are using a similar type of hard plastic it’s the same type PP use though they may not necessarily be using the same manufacturer and this is information that we’re never going to be given for commercial reasons. Quick aside here the reason that Studio McVey tend not to identify who sculpted their miniatures is that they have found that if they do the sculptor tends to get booked up by some other company and it makes it harder for them to book time with that sculptor in future. There are 5 or 6 sculptors that I know of working on BfA and AoS ranges.

I have a few of the Battle for Alabaster miniatures in resin and from looking at the production photos of the plastics and the painted versions they look very similar some of the details/edges may not be quite as sharp but that’s the compromise you get when you need to mass produce the miniatures at an affordable price. You will also see this on the pictures of Kingdom Death PVC experiment so it’s an across the board issue. I’ll try to post a comparison picture of an unpainted resin and plastic when I get the game. AFAIK the resins will not be released they are from the preproduction set and I was lucky enough to be sent a few samples by Mike and Ali.

Zombicide uses a different type of plastic it’s softer (I hate cleaning the mold lines off it) and while it may not hold the detail as well I’ve been impressed by the amount of detail on these miniature remember it was aimed at board gamers who probably won’t paint their miniatures and want something more robust. Soda Pop miniatures seem to have opted for this soft plastic for Caverns of Roxor as well which I bought last week however I can’t compare it to the main SDE game as I won’t have for another 3 ½ weeks (Christmas present from my family). CMON are the distributor for SDE their logo appears on the box and the supplements.

**IdentifyZero**

Comparing my Sedition Wars Metal & Resins, there is not quite a bit of difference honestly. One of my main reasons to drop $500+ on this bad boy of a Kickstarter was my confidence on the model quality even in plastic!

**CURNOW**

Im not worried about the quality i have every faith in mike and alI's high standards that they would allways use the best material for the job and wouldn't go ahead with the project if they were anyway unsure that the quality wasn't there.

And with it being delayed. At least i will have something to entertain me through those long January nights.

**CptJake**

CURNOW wrote:

And with it being delayed. At least i will have something to entertain me through those long January nights.

Yep, waiting for a package that has not yet arrived!

**Alpharius**

CptJake wrote:
CURNOW wrote:

And with it being delayed. At least i will have something to entertain me through those long January nights.

Yep, waiting for a package that has not yet arrived!

How do you not wait for a package that hasn't arrived?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

You back so many KS projects you forget some of them,

and bingo a box arrives you were not even expecting, LOL

Automatically Appended Next Post:
You back so many KS projects you forget some of them,

and bingo a box arrives you were not even expecting, LOL

**CURNOW**

Alpharius wrote:
CptJake wrote:
CURNOW wrote:

And with it being delayed. At least i will have something to entertain me through those long January nights.

Yep, waiting for a package that has not yet arrived!

How do you not wait for a package that hasn't arrived?

Ah um yeah lol what i ment was getting it after xmas instead of just before and the excitement getting lost amongst the new toys for xmas. Sooo 2mths of excitement.

**RiTides**

DaveC wrote:
Difficult to comment without having the miniatures but from information I’ve seen I believe Sedition Wars and Relic Knights are using a similar type of hard plastic it’s the same type PP use though they may not necessarily be using the same manufacturer and this is information that we’re never going to be given for commercial reasons. Quick aside here the reason that Studio McVey tend not to identify who sculpted their miniatures is that they have found that if they do the sculptor tends to get booked up by some other company and it makes it harder for them to book time with that sculptor in future. There are 5 or 6 sculptors that I know of working on BfA and AoS ranges.

I have a few of the Battle for Alabaster miniatures in resin and from looking at the production photos of the plastics and the painted versions they look very similar some of the details/edges may not be quite as sharp but that’s the compromise you get when you need to mass produce the miniatures at an affordable price. You will also see this on the pictures of Kingdom Death PVC experiment so it’s an across the board issue. I’ll try to post a comparison picture of an unpainted resin and plastic when I get the game. AFAIK the resins will not be released they are from the preproduction set and I was lucky enough to be sent a few samples by Mike and Ali.

Zombicide uses a different type of plastic it’s softer (I hate cleaning the mold lines off it) and while it may not hold the detail as well I’ve been impressed by the amount of detail on these miniature remember it was aimed at board gamers who probably won’t paint their miniatures and want something more robust. Soda Pop miniatures seem to have opted for this soft plastic for Caverns of Roxor as well which I bought last week however I can’t compare it to the main SDE game as I won’t have for another 3 ½ weeks (Christmas present from my family). CMON are the distributor for SDE their logo appears on the box and the supplements.

This is concerning to me, though. There is a ton of high quantity KS projects, but they're only good deals if the quality is there. You mention the latest SDE using soft plastic, this concerns me for the KD project since he said it's the same person.

I am spoiled by good resin, and even tempted by AoW Warcast when it becomes more available, and of course Trollcast coming up, and Wehrkind's casting for Brushfire.

I have so many models that I just don't need tons of low quality ones. I hope these are good, but it makes me glad I went with Dreamforge instead for my SciFi troopers, since I KNOW they're using good (GW-esque) plastic.

Having seen Zombiecide, it is NOT the deal I thought it was. Those are game pieces to me, not models to be painted. But most folks are pledging here for the models (on Dakka), so I am apprehensive that we've been hoodwinked.

I hope that is not the case.......

**DaveC**

I wouldn't worry about them using the softer plastic for Caverns of Roxor chibi style miniatures don't have nearly the same level of detail as other types of miniatures so the softer plastic works fine in this case. Relic Knights will use the harder plastic

**Alpharius**

Hoodwinked where?

Here, with Sedition Wars or with Kingdom Death?

Either way, I think your concerns are a bit off base, as both companies have pretty high standards when it comes to their miniature quality...

**RiTides**

I hope so...! Would be REALLY good to see some pics from McVey, Soda Pop, et al who we are taking on faith with these materials atm......

**DaveC**

You mean these pictures of the plastics - note these are tests and they had some clean up done afterwards before casting started properly and the bases are now cast in the same grey plastic per the unboxing video.

**RiTides**

Thanks, DaveC. Not totally sure what I think of what I'm seeing here, though... from the front the trooper looks a bit soft. But thanks very much for the pics. A comparison side by side with your resins, when you get the plastics, would be awesome.

**DaveC**

Will do - I have that first Strain and the female Vanguard but with a Grenade launcher arm.

I also have a male Vanguard painted up as a test piece for the colour scheme there's a few bits I want to do slightly differently and it was my first attempt at that type of visor - this is a resin mini.

If anyone's interested I did a painting guide for it on the Studio McVey forum if nothing else if will give you an idea of what colours I used.

http://studiomcvey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/479-vanguard-samaritan-painting-guide/

**RiTides**

The paintjob on that resin model looks fantastic... well done!

**Target**

To me those two models look to have the same level and sharpness of detail, which makes me happy. The second painted one comes off as sharper at first, but I think that's really a factor of the painter use darklining/washing and heavy amount of edge highlighting (which is very crisply executed) which makes the model as a whole pretty sharp looking.

Very excited to get my kit!!

**spiralingcadaver**

Heh, just noticed how the female trooper has special butt crack armor as one of the only major differences...

**Bolognesus**

Waist/hips width ratio is a bit different, too.
Well, it's only 5 min. work and a little bit of greenstuff on each model to make the female troopers have more or less the same armour as their male colleagues. I can live with that

**spiralingcadaver**

Bolognesus wrote:
Waist/hips width ratio is a bit different, too.
Well, it's only 5 min. work and a little bit of greenstuff on each model to make the female troopers have more or less the same armour as their male colleagues. I can live with that

Yeah, I felt that the proportions of the armor were fine as more subtle differences, just thought that the redesigned crotch armor was a bit funny. Imagining the fluff explanation for the differences...

**Absolutionis**

New Update:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/posts/361174?ref=email&show_token=1c162313a68b33db

Summary:
A reasonable apology on the delay, estimated shipping dates, and bio/concept for the apology figure.

The new character:

Conscript Vokker Dargu

Height: 1.35 meters
Weight: 80 kilograms
Eyes: Cybernetic implants – no retinal imprint
Hair: Black Gene-Index: Human/ Pre-augment
Conscript Inception Date: 201.10.4036 Solar Reckoning
Augments:
• Kyoshi Heavy Industries AG field generator
• Omnium Systems Meta-Cortical implant
• Kyoshi Heavy Industries Integrated Control Optics

Profile: Corporate insubordination charges <See attached records> led to Vokker Dargu’s downgrade from Full Citizen to Conscript Servile as an industrial technician third class. Due to an aptitude with gravity manipulators and a bio-signature with a low rejection threshold to cybernetic implantation he was involuntarily augmented and promoted to industrial technician first class. After serving in this capacity on good behaviour for thirteen years, his conscription restraints and cortical clamp were removed, and he was granted Provisional Release autonomy.

During a warranty based upgrade to his meta-cortical implant an unclassified code-entity breached his cortical firewall. The entity obliterated AI personality controls designed to keep his mind in check. System upgrade records indicate that the entity transferred in during an allegedly secure software upgrade. Without AI fail-safes in place, Vokker was free to act without worry of personality suppression.

His escape resulted in the deaths of twenty-eight medical and sixteen security personnel.

As per Rogue Conscript Protocol a warrant for Terminal Reclamation was issued 028.23.4039.1

Traceback disable commands to his cybernetics have failed and his whereabouts were unknown until the Conscript insurrection on Achilles.

Vanguard intelligence analysis indicates that his systems have been modified beyond current specifications, and he has been altered cosmetically to conceal his identity. His bio-signature was present during the co-ordinated attack on the Vanguard Bastion Arms of Sorrow, in which four hundred and seventy three Vanguard troopers and twenty four Special Forces elite were slain before the Arms of Sorrow could repel the six thousand attacking Conscripts. He was not among the casualties of that battle.

It is likely Vokker is serving as a combat co-ordinator in the Conscript uprising – Using tactical systems and precognition to lead pro-active counter-attacks on Vanguard forces. To date his bio-signs have been detected in fifty seven combat incidents with Vanguard troops.

He remains at large.

Capabilities:

Qualified for a Master level license with an AG generator, Vokker is an expert with kinetic fields and gravity suppression. His AG implant is capable of shifting a hundred kilograms of mass without strain. For manipulating larger masses he must be coupled with an external power supply. Even without external power, he can strike with kinetics to inflict lethal blows to anything within range of his AG field effectors.

His meta-cortex implant is a moderate grade cyber-brain. Vokker’s mind may house one or more expert systems capable of serving as tactical analysis and intelligence gathering meta-routines. Note that the Omnium implant allows limited quantum prediction, granting Vokker low grade precognitive ability and enhanced predictive instinct. Combined with his proficiency in AG field manipulation, he may be capable of deflecting directed projectile weapons fire. His sixth sense will be able to detect dangerous situations with a moderate degree of certainty. This is probably why he has avoided Reclamation for so long.

The Kyoshi Control Optics suite linked to his meta-cortex allows Vokker to index and co-ordinate the efforts of several other conscripts through remote communication. This system no doubt aids him in tactical unit co-ordination.

All of these systems are well concealed. Vokker can easily pass for a full citizen - albeit augmented - as long as his conscription transponder is suppressed and his conscript ID tattoo remains concealed. Assuming that these safeguards have not been removed already.

This combination of systems and his inconspicuous appearance makes Vokker effectively a sleeper agent capable of sensing events minutes before they occur and fading away from danger undetected. In addition, the rogue electronic entity that is currently installed within his cortex may have further capabilities that enhance him beyond his current specifications. His termination is a high priority, and reclamation of his systems vital to understanding the threat facing the Vanguard and the Solar Conglomerate.

**H.B.M.C.**

Well hello there ~~sailor~~ Rogue Trader...