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It looks much more impressive on a green background, apparently.


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The gnosis suit in that picture is not to scale. Next to Niven Banks, it should appear 30% smaller by volume. Right?

I will agree... I am shocked at the size of these $10 minis. They are closer to 15mm scale... not 28mm

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
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It looks much more impressive on a green background, apparently.


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The gnosis suit in that picture is not to scale. Next to Niven Banks, it should appear 30% smaller by volume. Right?

I think I worked it out, though I was after something more like photos of someone's (correct) extras in hand, so I could see if I got everything.

Azazelx, that would require someone to have the enthusiasm to open, line up and photograph their Sedition Wars minis without collapsing into tears.

If such a person doesn't get help at Charter, I hope they get help somewhere.


...So, after that sales pitch, does anyone want one complete set of Strain models? Make me an offer!

Agreed.

I'll be cataloging my "Biohazard" Sedition Wars stuff (including the terrain pack), leaving it all in shrink/unopened and then listing it on eBay sometime this week.

 Alpharius wrote:
Agreed.

I'll be cataloging my "Biohazard" Sedition Wars stuff (including the terrain pack), leaving it all in shrink/unopened and then listing it on eBay sometime this week.

I don't suppose you'd be open to trading for that terrain pack..? I've got some Dreadball Veermyn with your name on them. Or maybe a Mantic Troll.


Come back!

We make deal!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I don't think they're in debt- that's what the kickstarter and publisher are there to protect them from. They're still making LE resins on their own... about the only thing that I'd expect could crush them is if they don't protect themselves similarly for future expansions and said expansions don't do well.

Does McVey have another source of income outside of the Studio? Either that, or he's selling a lot more LE resins than I thought. I just can't imagine him getting by on Sedition Wars sales...

In addition to all the other things mentioned he also setup the current paint line for PP as well as the prior paint line for GW. He's had a hand in alot of stuff over the years.

Yeah, though the question is more about his current income than his (impressive) pre-SW history.

If you got a Ridley you don't want, I would be happy to take her off your hands dude. Let me know.

As for the 2nd wave stuff, I believe it's the lights out pack, the terrain pack, and the following figures;

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/posts/513262

Lights out came in the first wave

Well I've put my sealed 2nd copy in the shop for £55 on the vain hope it sells and I recoup some money. Would never have got much from eBay for it, and now with the shipping 10% charge eBay brought in I'm done as a seller there, with the increased P&P costs its just not worth it for small gain sales.

I sold a load of GW this past month in there close to retail, never considered using the shop that way before, set it up so the shop gets 6-10% and I still get between 80-90% of my money back, that's not too bad.

Still ticked over the 2nd wave, still not sure what the heck I'm going to do with it.

And you thought CMoN was done upsetting fans on this one...

Apparently sighted in the KS comments:

Bad news, folks. I just got back from the Battlefoam UK warehouse where I was told they are not currently packing Sedition Wars stuff. What they are packing is Zombicide. So, if you backed that KS, the one that started nearly a year after SW did, you're in luck. Battlefoam said they were acting on CMON's instructions so it would seem that means to prioritize Zombicide over SW. If you got your Wave 2 already - congrats. The quality might suck, but at least you got it. For the rest of us EU customers, no delivery for the foreseeable future. At this point I'm thinking of asking for my money back so I can put it in another KS.

Ouch. So CMoN is seeing SW as a lost cause, throwing Studio McVey under the bus, and prioritizing Zombicide to at least save their own brand.

That seems like what's going on, doesn't it?

Ouch.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Ouch. So CMoN is seeing SW as a lost cause, throwing Studio McVey under the bus, and prioritizing Zombicide to at least save their own brand.

It is probably a good business decision. Sedition Wars is already a very damaged brand at this point where as Zombicide is doing well. The numbers of Zombicide orders (and customers needing to be kept happy) is higher, and a higher priority than the smaller number of Sedition Wars customers (many whom are not going to be happy anyway).

I suspect this also indicates we won't see CMON involved in the Sedition Wars expansion (if McVey goes forward with that).

If he does, he will need a hell of a public relations campaign behind him.

That been said, do we have anything official?

I just ordered on amazon a copy of the core boxed set, with zero intention of taking it any further than that, for £30.

After reading the last few pages it seems it's a good idea not to take it any further, but I'm not doing wrong just for the core set, am I? I have no expectations of second wave stuff/terrain because I didn't even see the KS!

Being pretty actively involved including some playtesting, I'd say that there are absolutely no bonus models that I'd consider integral to playing (I feel they actually are mostly a little under powered and not particularly well balanced), and that you don't spare non-characters (it mostly just enables spamming).

While I'm a completionist and was expecting better minis, I'd say that you're really not missing out on much unless there's a specific mini you like (and the stealth Vanguard are gorgeous, though you can just use chits for those). The extra minis' rules are in a downloadable PDF so if you want the rules they're there.

...which reminds me- be sure your copy has the current rules. The easiest way to tell is if some abilities on cards have "attack action" or "movement action" bolded on them then you've got the current set. There's also a fair amount of downloadable content and errata.

On the plus side, CMON finally shipped out replacements for my missing parts I contacted them about a month ago.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
And you thought CMoN was done upsetting fans on this one...

Apparently sighted in the KS comments:

Bad news, folks. I just got back from the Battlefoam UK warehouse where I was told they are not currently packing Sedition Wars stuff. What they are packing is Zombicide. So, if you backed that KS, the one that started nearly a year after SW did, you're in luck. Battlefoam said they were acting on CMON's instructions so it would seem that means to prioritize Zombicide over SW. If you got your Wave 2 already - congrats. The quality might suck, but at least you got it. For the rest of us EU customers, no delivery for the foreseeable future. At this point I'm thinking of asking for my money back so I can put it in another KS.

So, CMON have taken a new approach to dealing with SW backers:




I am, unbelievable as some of you might think, looking forward to future Sedition Wars games and minis. Though I hope to God CMON is no-where near any future attempts.

I look forward to the non CMON future of SW. I think it would have been a better project without them.

Shame for the UK backers who have to wait even longer for their items.

So long as they announce a change in materials to something better, I, too, would be willing to back another Studio McVey project so long as CMoN isn't involved.

 Absolutionis wrote:
So long as they announce a change in materials to something better, I, too, would be willing to back another Studio McVey project so long as CMoN isn't involved.

That might get me back in, but I think it is too late for me where SW and McVey are concerned.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
So long as they announce a change in materials to something better, I, too, would be willing to back another Studio McVey project so long as CMoN isn't involved.

That might get me back in, but I think it is too late for me where SW and McVey are concerned.

I would want to see a plan up front for quality control along with a plan to address potential issues. Add in a promise of continued communication even when the news is bad. Hell even then I would be reluctant to back a project instead of buy existing vetted/reviewed product.

As far as lacking in communication, McVey proper isn't actually any better than CMoN are. Personally, and of course only going by wave 1 because it seems wave two will take another month or two to get here at least, I don't mind the material at all; fine to work with (with practice, and a good knife) and good enough quality-wise. I'm happy with the models, so far. Really want some of those sculpts previewed for AoS, too. I hope McVey sees some way to regain some of the lost goodwill but since they're seemingly sitting by and letting BF not do anything with the SW Wave 2 stock, without really doing anything about it, I'm sceptical at best. At this point I don't think McVey is equipped to handle a project as complex as this, TBH.

I did not mean to imply I thought McVey was better than CMON at comms. They both were crap at it, and I posted to that effect on the Studio McVey boards, often to be derided by those for whom McVey could do no wrong. Mike, by all accounts and from my personal experience dealing with him, is a good guy, but HIS name is all over this, and he rightfully shoulders a big chunk of the blame in my opinion.

Sure he's a good guy, wouldn't mind having a pint or two with him - but he's proven himself incapable with dealing like something like this pretty clearly now. I mean, at least keep up communications: that's pretty much the easiest bit. Feth that up and I know pretty well just how it's going to go on the tricky parts.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Sure he's a good guy, wouldn't mind having a pint or two with him - but he's proven himself incapable with dealing like something like this pretty clearly now. I mean, at least keep up communications: that's pretty much the easiest bit. Feth that up and I know pretty well just how it's going to go on the tricky parts.

Definitely. For any future big box releases, he'll need a partner to help push it out. Though I think Warlord Games or similar would probably suit him better.

He definitely needs to put his neck out there more. He has been posting on his forums occasionally to get the game rules sorted, though I get the feeling that he's reluctant to do on the KS as he'd get a lot awkward questions and comments directed at him (which he would as well).

I wouldn't be shocked if he can't post on the KS because he doesn't have access to it.

CMON ran the project, meaning they are in control on the page. They obviously at this point do not care about the game they signed on board to produce.

It doesn't excuse the lack of posting on his own forum, but you can't hold the KS communications against him.

Heads up!

Update #115

Oct 23, 2013
Wave 2 shipping complete
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We've completed shipping from both USA and EU warehouses for wave 2, and are shipping replacement parts or short shipped items now. If you should have received wave 2 but have not gotten a tracking number or your package AT ALL (possibly due to an oversight on our end), please contact us as soon as possible at support@coolminiornot.com so we can trace the issue and get you your wave 2 items.