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Note that those pigs are LESSER Warbeasts, not LIGHT Warbeasts. They're on small bases like the Legion Shredders. Only the second faction in the game to get something like that.

I literally SQUEEd.


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I must have those Minion Lessers! I might have to pick up circle for the new Skinwalkers if that UA is any good.

 AduroT wrote:
Note that those pigs are LESSER Warbeasts, not LIGHT Warbeasts. They're on small bases like the Legion Shredders. Only the second faction in the game to get something like that.

That's awesome. It's not a pignode, but it'll be really helpful to differentiate the pigs as a minion faction and will probably (finally) give them a speedy assault unit to run interference for the rest of the force. I can't wait to see what else they've got in store!

A Pork Node would be rather insane for what it would do for Arcadius. Crippling Grasp? Yes please!

 AduroT wrote:
A Pork Node would be rather insane for what it would do for Arcadius. Crippling Grasp? Yes please!

It'd make him a viable caster! But all kidding aside, it really wouldn't do much other than make him marginally harder to assassinate. He needs it.

Mattman154 wrote:

Love that Alpha model! Not as sure about the razor boars, apparently that's a hard model type for any company to get right . But they're not bad.

I like the Toad Troll. I don't know why but it just tickles my fancy.

Note the toad troll is not new, it's just moving to plastic. It's currently out in metal right now.

Yeah, plastic is actually pretty great for that one as I think the model would lend itself to being converted into a different pose.

At least when the tongue goes all bendy is won't look nearly as bad as the plastic swords and spears do!

Love the Alpha model, and I was getting a set of Skinwalkers anyway when they came out in plastic in a couple of weeks, so fingers crossed for good rules on him. A speed boost, or something to generate more attacks like Berserk or Backswing would be just what they need, and make the unit a viable alternative to Gatormen.

 Elemental wrote:
Love the Alpha model, and I was getting a set of Skinwalkers anyway when they came out in plastic in a couple of weeks, so fingers crossed for good rules on him. A speed boost, or something to generate more attacks like Berserk or Backswing would be just what they need, and make the unit a viable alternative to Gatormen.

By the fluff description it sounds like they'll be getting consume, berserk, or both.

 RiTides wrote:
Pic of the wing compared to the Legion battle engine:



From this source:
https://twitter.com/Will_Shick/status/256079937314906112/photo/1

Holy crap, man. Give me two!

Even if i dont play hordes ever, Im buying the Alpha, it will look amazing on my display case.

 RiTides wrote:
I meant other than that

Somebody somewhere will have a really insane demon prince, or tyranid flying thingy...

Thats my plane, sculpt some plates on it and use it as a Harridan

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
A Pork Node would be rather insane for what it would do for Arcadius. Crippling Grasp? Yes please!

It'd make him a viable caster! But all kidding aside, it really wouldn't do much other than make him marginally harder to assassinate. He needs it.

If/when it comes I suspect that a 'pork node' won't follow the traditional Warmachine arcnode concepts. IMO we should expect something unusual (like the Gallows Grove or Spell Martyrs). I don't think an Arcadius specific channeller character beast (like Laris) or a magic pig that isn't actually a channeller (like the Cyclops Shaman) is out of the question. There's also the possibility of a Corrupter style arc node gun.

In other news I should be the owner of a Woldwrath next week. (I'm not sure if that actually constitutes Gargantuan news)

 George Spiggott wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
A Pork Node would be rather insane for what it would do for Arcadius. Crippling Grasp? Yes please!

It'd make him a viable caster! But all kidding aside, it really wouldn't do much other than make him marginally harder to assassinate. He needs it.

If/when it comes I suspect that a 'pork node' won't follow the traditional Warmachine arcnode concepts. IMO we should expect something unusual (like the Gallows Grove or Spell Martyrs). I don't think an Arcadius specific channeller character beast (like Laris) or a magic pig that isn't actually a channeller (like the Cyclops Shaman) is out of the question. There's also the possibility of a Corrupter style arc node gun.

In other news I should be the owner of a Woldwrath next week. (I'm not sure if that actually constitutes Gargantuan news)

The idea of a caster attachment with a paymaster or spell effect that could turn a nearby FF beast into a channeler (or arc node, it would be fluffy if it were actually the warmachine upgrade) would create some great new gameplay scenarios. It'd fit Arcadius' theme to have an assistant walking around with a mind control helmet or something to that effect. Problematically though, that would mean that there are two caster attachments total in the minions with both being arcadius' assistants. As a gator player I like the outside the box thinking the lesser warbeasts implied, I can't wait to see what they have in store for my side of the minions.

To be fair, the Farrow need more help than the Gators do...

12thRonin wrote:
To be fair, the Farrow need more help than the Gators do...

Not in the Collossals/gargantuan meta. Being unshootable is nice, but when the highest P+S available to your entire faction is 17, with no buffs anywhere it makes it hard to deal with stormwalls and mountain kings.

Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way. The best the Farrow can get is 20 with the Hog and Arcadius and he's got to burn fury and take damage to do it. If you look at the net effect, they're a push.

Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way.

Yep, he lost an 8 inch spell that requires that he walk up to a colossal to get use out of (and thusly die). With parasite cast that gives a wrastler (which will be near dead by the time it gets there) the ability to strike 4 times at P+S 20 and twice at P+S18. That'll be -2 to -5 on the 20's depending on what you're facing given the clear preference for stacking armor buffs onto colossals/gargantuans. That'll average about 26 damage on a stormwall (if you don't miss), 52 if you can parasite, charge it with two wrastlers, and never miss. Any barely competent player won't let you do that.

Pigs can get a hog with aggression dial + carvers feat + mobility for a lengthy charge and 5 attacks, one at P+S 19/4 dice, 3 P+S 19/3 dice and and attack at P+S18/3 dice. That averages 40 damage. Warhogs cost 1 point less and have a longer threat range than wrastlers. Carver doesn't have to put himself in harms way to pull this off. Two hogs, which is fairly standard, will wreck a doublebuffed galleon.

Gators realistic tactic against collossals is Mealok assassinations. This is virtually impossible against menoth/trolls.

I love the lesser piggies. I think they look surprisingly good for a boar miniature. Especially compared to other boar miniatures out there *cough*.

Making a UA for the skinwalkers is just good business sense considering they are in the two player starter. Hopefully they'll also release a legion Warspears UA. That would be awesome.

I could see pigs getting a fairly "normal" arc node, with Arcadius basically just bolting one to the top of a pig beast.

Can't wait for pig farm lists to show up. Mass piggies! Oink oink.

So, Is the Warpwolf unit detachment going to be in the gargantuans book?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, Is the Warpwolf unit detachment going to be in the gargantuans book?

That's the assumption since it's a Hordes release.

12thRonin wrote:
Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way.

I'm not sure on the pigs, but as a Gator player--Calaban's parasite isn't the answer to heavy armor. You can only pick him once and most armies you face every round are running some high ARM beat stick now--and Calaban has to get very close to get that spell off. Only way I've dealt with Colossals when I've played them is to toss gators past them or use Maelok to assassinate. Gators (and it sounds like Pigs) both need some AP love.


On topic though---that wing scale really brings it home. That's going to be one big mini.

12thRonin wrote:Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way. The best the Farrow can get is 20 with the Hog and Arcadius and he's got to burn fury and take damage to do it. If you look at the net effect, they're a push.

What do you mean, "gone"? Was there an Erata I missed? Or will he get an epic version in Gargantuans? I'd prefer an epic Barnabas, just to see where the fluff takes him.

 Anung Un Rama wrote:

12thRonin wrote:Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way. The best the Farrow can get is 20 with the Hog and Arcadius and he's got to burn fury and take damage to do it. If you look at the net effect, they're a push.

What do you mean, "gone"? Was there an Erata I missed? Or will he get an epic version in Gargantuans? I'd prefer an epic Barnabas, just to see where the fluff takes him.

I think 12thRonin was referring to Shuma's claim that "Being unshootable is nice, but when the highest P+S available to your entire faction is 17, with no buffs anywhere it makes it hard to deal with stormwalls and mountain kings."