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Chaos totally wins: first there's the CSM... and there's the Fallen.

Anyone else hoping that the badass look of the Chosen is also reflected on their profile?

@Jayden63: I'm pretty sure they don't intend everything on everything games with this starter set. You talk about SM countering CSM with this and that, but it's moot when SM have some 200pts more than Chaos.

Still, if the last boxed set is anything to go by, Imperials will get 100 more points than chaos because 'Good Guys Rule!'

Who cares whether Imperials get more points than Chaos? Chaos already gets the better, more detailed models! The Dark Angels get a few same-y terminators that look like all other terminators, a tac squad that looks like any other tac squad, and a bike squad that very closely resembles the current Dark Angels bikes.

Chaos, on the other hand, gets a huge and highly detailed Hellbrute and a fantastic array of highly detailed and individualized Chosen, as well as 20 cultists to get any cult started, all with different hoods and weapons that will be a fantastic addition to whatever Cultist box comes out later!

DA may have Chaos in points, but Chaos definitely has DA in style.

Also, there's a lot more 'hidden' upgrades you could give the Chaos Marines and cultists that aren't immediately apparent. Marks, powers, weapons, etc.. It's possible there's a lot more under the surface, whereas the DA are... highly transparent.

 aka_mythos wrote:
@Jayden63: I'm pretty sure they don't intend everything on everything games with this starter set. You talk about SM countering CSM with this and that, but it's moot when SM have some 200pts more than Chaos.

Thats what I said originally, but people still think that Chaos has a chance. It was the same with the AOBR set. Unless the Vengence rule set has some advantages for attackers vs defenders or some such, its not going to be an even fight.

And thats not surprising. No matter how cool the Chaos stuff looks, Imperial Marines (of any flavor) are still their poster children.

well depending on people willingness, they can easy make up the points difference by adding in some units on the chaos side from pre-exsting collections,
I just hope the new stuff is faqed in properly into our current book, Like quite a few others i still use my csm on a weekly baisis. And since 6th ed dropped i have been winning every other game with my csm


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I just noticed how long has our bike squad been gone from the site?

Now, in all honesty, do you people actually intend to play with just the starter sets? Seriously.

Now the good guys got dreads with 4 S7 (8) shot

however,

the chaos get a demon engine with 2x S8 heavy 4 gun on a dread platform

I can see this unit being abused in competitive play alot and the assualt demon engine

Why take a normal dread if the 2 best kind is already given to you.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

The 25th is the white dwarf which is all about the new starter and chaos space marines.

Pre-Orders for the new starter set begin on the 25th, for release on the 1st.

Pre-Order for Chaos Space Marines go up on the 8th and the entirety of their range will be released in two waves on the 15th and the 29th.

If this was true, then the next White Dwarf would have previews of Chaos Marine merchandise (e.g., models, Codex, etc.) other than the 40K starter set because it is a MAJOR product release all on its own, yet it appears there is no such mention in White Dwarf or that would have posted with the starter set pics. Also, while this is not impossible it does not follow any pattern established for monthly releases of the past couple years. In other words, this is likely false. Hopefully, Chaos Marines are the October release.

If they had something chaos marine related on the Back cover, I would agree. However, it's Dark Angels. I honestly think GW has the balls to released DA before CSM. Just so they can release a loyalist codex first. It was commonly thought August was the month CSM would come out. Then it turns out to be Daemons. Now everyone says September, but the Starter box is September's focus. I doubt the Hellbrutes or Cultists will be used in normal games till the CSM codex update anyways, and the Chaos lord and chosen will follow the current rules, stats and prices. Sadly, I am thinking that CSM may be pushed back to 2013.

Hashulaman wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:

The 25th is the white dwarf which is all about the new starter and chaos space marines.

Pre-Orders for the new starter set begin on the 25th, for release on the 1st.

Pre-Order for Chaos Space Marines go up on the 8th and the entirety of their range will be released in two waves on the 15th and the 29th.

If this was true, then the next White Dwarf would have previews of Chaos Marine merchandise (e.g., models, Codex, etc.) other than the 40K starter set because it is a MAJOR product release all on its own, yet it appears there is no such mention in White Dwarf or that would have posted with the starter set pics. Also, while this is not impossible it does not follow any pattern established for monthly releases of the past couple years. In other words, this is likely false. Hopefully, Chaos Marines are the October release.

If they had something chaos marine related on the Back cover, I would agree. However, it's Dark Angels. I honestly think GW has the balls to released DA before CSM. Just so they can release a loyalist codex first. It was commonly thought August was the month CSM would come out. Then it turns out to be Daemons. Now everyone says September, but the Starter box is September's focus. I doubt the Hellbrutes or Cultists will be used in normal games till the CSM codex update anyways, and the Chaos lord and chosen will follow the current rules, stats and prices. Sadly, I am thinking that CSM may be pushed back to 2013.

Now, shortly before we had the Daemons update in August there was a lot of talk about CSM being pushed back in favour of the new minis. That doesn't mean to say that DA will be out before CSM. In what world would GW bring out a starter set with models that can't be used or would require an update in WD or the actual set itself rather than codex, which according to a fair few sources out there, are printed and in warehousing. Also add to that how many FLGSs are not allowing any orders on the 3.5 codex.

The starters set is meant to introduce people to 40k. Show them a small sample of the armies, and in this case give them a set of rules how to use them. Meanwhile everyone who has been playing this game goes "OOOOOOOO! Pretty models" for the next few weeks or months until the Codex is actually released. They are awesome looking models, but unless I'm playing starter games their rules won't be used around here in normal games until the actual code comes out. It's like using some of the previous codex's rules in the current one, you don't see it. You want to use the Hellbrute model, then you use it under the current Chaos Dread's rules.



You could be right, but I set myself up for a severe dissapointment thinking that CSM were coming out back at the beginning of this month only to see Daemons come out. The feeling of disillusionment is still with me for the moment. I'd rather be pessimistic and be pleasantly surprised and proven wrong, than be optimistic only to be later disillusioned at the fact GW's hardon for Loyalist Marines continues.

Found this on Faeit 212, apparently it's the back page of this months White Dwarf.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Found this on Faeit 212, apparently it's the back page of this months White Dwarf.

That image has been around here and on warseer. GW are trying to promote their new starter set (DA vs CSM).

Why did you feel the need to facepalm? Nice 40k artwork isn't it?

Minx wrote:
Why did you feel the need to facepalm? Nice 40k artwork isn't it?

Because it's not the Codex: Chaos Space Marine confirmation that most people were expecting/hoping for.

The next big thing for them is the starter set. I doubt they would try to sell any big wave or codex release alongside.

Look to the left and middle of the image of the back page, isn't that half of the front cover of the months that the picture is taken of.

Also a DA.

Minx wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Found this on Faeit 212, apparently it's the back page of this months White Dwarf.

That image has been around here and on warseer. GW are trying to promote their new starter set (DA vs CSM).

Why did you feel the need to facepalm? Nice 40k artwork isn't it?

I hadn't seen it so I thought I'd post it and I face palmed as it seemed to show that we would not be getting a new chaos codex. It is a nice bit of artwork though.

I still believe it's promoting the starter set and the next codex will be CSM. Just a few weeks later than we expected.

Minx wrote:
I still believe it's promoting the starter set and the next codex will be CSM. Just a few weeks later than we expected.

I really hope you're right.

Well if it DAs on the front cover this month then I'm going to bet it won't be DAs on the front cover next. That means I must be something else....

And if the "Battle Rages On" that can only mean....

That it has to be the Hobbit next month, yeah???

Do we know anything else about chosen other than 19 points and that they lose infiltrate?

 Clauss wrote:
Do we know anything else about chosen other than 19 points and that they lose infiltrate?

Based on the models, that they like to go around carring lots of piecemeal, mismatched wargear!

Chaos is totally out matched here.....

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Now, in all honesty, do you people actually intend to play with just the starter sets? Seriously.

We won't but the point of the starter is for new players to see how the game works. New players would only use the starter, and to me that's unfair to anyone non SM. I feel the reason SM are the most popular are because we get starter sets that make them more popular. When your a new player and GW staff suggests starting with the starter set and you and your buddy play and the SM are just so much stronger, what army are you and your buddy gonna pick up. I've seen it happen with Black Reach repeatedly.


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 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

Minx wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Found this on Faeit 212, apparently it's the back page of this months White Dwarf.

That image has been around here and on warseer. GW are trying to promote their new starter set (DA vs CSM).

Why did you feel the need to facepalm? Nice 40k artwork isn't it?

I hadn't seen it so I thought I'd post it and I face palmed as it seemed to show that we would not be getting a new chaos codex. It is a nice bit of artwork though.

I agree with above.. its obvious if your first major experience with the game is the Space Marines, the most powerful faction on paper then you're likely going to stick with them. It's fairly rudimentary psychology.

A few months ago, we had White Scars on the preview page. And we didn't get a White Scars Codex.

Logic!

Logic is overrated.

Logic is begin to grow.

What's with that DA SM art? He looks borderline Nurgle in the face--and it appears in the far future there is only war (but no dental hygiene)