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So is there a unit anyone here is excited or particularly hopeful about?

I for one am sorta jazzed about the potential for a price drop on CSM bodies and the option to have 2 heavy or two special.

The thought of having a 10 man backfield scoring unit in a combi weapon rhino with two autocannons sounds really attractive to me.

Wow, looks great. I haven't brushed up on the 6th edition rules, so I feel like this will be one of the few GW purchases I can actually feel good about

 Lucre wrote:
So is there a unit anyone here is excited or particularly hopeful about?

I'm generally excited rather than specifically excited. I'm excited that the current chapter in Chaos' 40k history is about to come to an ignoble and inglorious end? That's something to get excited about.

The 'Chaos' Codex is dead! Long live the Chaos Codex!

i'm looking forward to the new daemon engines and proper warsmith rules to make my Iron Warriors more fluffy.

I'm withholding judgement on the dragon as word is that havocs will be able to buy Flakk missiles......so an AA flier might not be worth the expense (money or points-wise).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm generally excited rather than specifically excited. I'm excited that the current chapter in Chaos' 40k history is about to come to an ignoble and inglorious end? That's something to get excited about.

The 'Chaos' Codex is dead! Long live the Chaos Codex!

I think we're probably in for another bitter disappointment, myself. By all reports it's still mostly Renegades with Marks Lite.

If next month's WD comes out on the 22nd, when do you think we would start seeing leaks? Earlier than usual?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
If next month's WD comes out on the 22nd, when do you think we would start seeing leaks? Earlier than usual?

About a week early, like we did this month.

I'm honestly beginning to not even care, really. I've found that I don't play 40k much anymore, and have switched to better games. I'm going to get the book, look through it, and try to enjoy it-if I find it just doesn't have that Umph that I need, you guys can look for my CSM up in the swap shop or ebay. This isn't a rant or rage that I'm quitting GW, much less the tabletop hobby, just that I'm becoming a bit disenfranchised with GW and I'm lowering my army count and testing the waters of other games. I have a bunch of Mantic stuff, a full Allies army for Dust Warfare (far better game than 40K), a couple of mechs for Classic Battletech and even a 25 point Khador army for Warmachine. GW has to shine with this book, or it'll be the first 40k army I let go. I may end up only keeping my Black Templars and Daemons, depending on how other books look. Don't care about strength, care about fun-make this book fun GW, please.

Thanks for that detail man! I don't think I could have gotten through my day without knowing you were thinking of selling off your stuff.

Well, is name is Timetowaste...

I had always thought it meant his own time, though...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lucre wrote:
So is there a unit anyone here is excited or particularly hopeful about?

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The 'Chaos' Codex is dead! Long live the Chaos Codex!

Yes!

Me I'm excited for the inclusion of cultists. I think they'll be a unit eveyone will find a use for.

The inclusion of additional daemon engines also excites me. Chaos has needed models and types of units to distinguish itself from loyalists and these along with cultists do that.

I am excited for Chaos Sorcerers.

Even if they only have 2 Wounds, I still fully plan on running Ahriman + two Mastery Level: 3 Sorcerers and 4 squads of Tsons at 1850.

Oh, and 5 Chosen.

I don't care what rules they have.

I am using 5 Chosen minis.

I'm thinking the Chosen will make for some great Aspiring Champions. If you can still attach Aspiring Champions to cultist squads it'd be a no brainer!

The cool thing is that you can say "well, I'm using double FoC this game. 2 small units of cultists, 2 units of CSMs"

Then the real magic happens when you attach a chaos lord to each unit of cultists, and you still have 2 HQ slots for whichever character you wanted originally.

So even if they dont let us throw champs in squads (which would be totally LatD), a Lord or Sorcerer would be a nice way to do it.

I wont really be using Cultists, I don't think. Unless I get bored down the road? If you can give cultists an Aspiring Sorcerer, I will be doing it, yes.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm generally excited rather than specifically excited. I'm excited that the current chapter in Chaos' 40k history is about to come to an ignoble and inglorious end? That's something to get excited about.

The 'Chaos' Codex is dead! Long live the Chaos Codex!

I think we're probably in for another bitter disappointment, myself. By all reports it's still mostly Renegades with Marks Lite.

Anyone who's played Thousand Sons for a decent period of time can only see the world in bitter disappointments

^ yes.

i'm looking forward to the new daemon engines and proper warsmith rules to make my Iron Warriors more fluffy.

Praxiss, are we the same person? Because the more I experience your point of view the more I come to realize it is identical to my own.

In any case, if it wasn't obvious, I am also looking forward to (hopefully) getting some damn Warsmiths and perhaps some kind of change to Havocs or something. As it is we can already take Basilisks, and that's half the battle.

Icon vs mark is really interesting to me. I wonder how that will turn out. Maybe you'll be able to make some flexible or streamlined decent scoring units out of the mix and match.

Does anyone remember the rumors regarding Chosen and Abbadon? Chosen are set to be 18/19, but have lost infiltrate. I wonder what the added cost entails... +1A +1LD on dorky 14 point marines? I bet there are other tricks up the chosen's sleeve and I can't wait to find out! Maybe they get to choose a veteran skill?

It seems from the info so far, that the book will be encouraging MSU-mech, lots of elite infantry or zilla lists. I'm a little dubious about the last two archetypes, because there aren't very good ways to move big jerks forward quickly in the source material or current rumors, besides teleporting terminators, dragons and DP. I can see a lot of effective lists very much resembling space woofs or knights.

I wonder if
70pts 5 CSM
15pts Plasmagun
10pts Champion upgrade
10pts Combi Weapon
35pts Rhino
10pts Pintle Combi
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150 points

It's got it's benefits, but I feel like it's a little outclassed by options at similar points in GK, SW and IG codecies. I'd be really happy if there were options that worked outside the MSU special weapon + scoring trope.

I'm looking forward to my Plague marines getting poisoned for 1 extra point! It's gonna be awesome

So is there a unit anyone here is excited or particularly hopeful about?

Really want the starter set Cultists. For Inquisimunda really though. Liking the look of the Hellbrute. Already imagining it painted up in my Plague Marine colour scheme. I'm really hoping the rumour about Typhus turning Cultists into Plague Zombies is true cos I've just acquired a bunch of Necromunda Plague Zombies and really want to field them with my CSM (with some mantic reinforcements probably). To me rules are a secondary consideration to the miniatures, especially since I only play in a small group of friends, and never particularly competitively. Although it would be nice if they play a lot more radically different to Loyalist Marines from now on.

Cultists seem so uninspiring to me! maybe backfield scoring for a list that can't afford a unit that actually plays a role.

I worry about cultists, I don't really know what they are there for. Seems like it's just a little nod. I do think they could be useful as a tarpit if you've got some FNP ones, but then they'd just be bubble wrap right? 30 man squads don't get anywhere fast and they don't find cover very easily.

 Lucre wrote:
Cultists seem so uninspiring to me! maybe backfield scoring for a list that can't afford a unit that actually plays a role.

I worry about cultists, I don't really know what they are there for. Seems like it's just a little nod. I do think they could be useful as a tarpit if you've got some FNP ones, but then they'd just be bubble wrap right? 30 man squads don't get anywhere fast and they don't find cover very easily.

They're a cheap chaff unit, which Chaos didn't have before. Yes, backfield scoring units are a possibility. They're also good as a screening unit for your better troops, sacrificial units, speedbumps, or any of the variety of ways you'd use a mob of Guardsmen or Orks.

At 4 points a model and troops, cultists are great for objective holding and just being 'wounds' to hack through.

i'll probably have 2 squads of 20 or 30 to hold objectives

They also could make for some pretty good character delivery systems, especially with LoSir. Just like Dawn of War!

Guys remember...
Whatever happens, whatever changes and whatever will or will not be competitive, WE are going to have a new codex.
Thats the most important thing, and as long as no one like ward ruins the fluff everything will be ok.
We will survive! And yes we gonna have a new range of awesome models...

If memory serves me correct wasn't it stated at Gamesday that the codex releases are going to start coming out in threes? So therefore if this is the case maybe the CSM, DA, and some

other codex will be coming out soon at the same time to keep balance in the game.

 kitch102 wrote:
Just got off the phone to my GW FLGS Manager, called to ask if I can put my name down to reserve an LE box, and asked if he knew anything about a replacement codex.

I was told that as there are new units in the box that don't currently have rules the codex must be supplied at the same time or close to the release of the starter kit.

It's already been said that there will be a booklet with the rules in for these units, I just don't think I can believe that GW will have people working half out of an 5 year old codex whilst flicking through a 2 page booklet for a couple of other units. I doubt that they'd feel right in play.

I'm really hoping that they'll release the Codex with the starter kit. Fingers crossed.

How can you not see GW doing this when they make you buy an entire WD for 1 page of rules and you have to use that 1 page. What I mean is that GW will update the dex when they want to and convenience is no care unless you buy the ebooks.

 Lucre wrote:
So is there a unit anyone here is excited or particularly hopeful about?

Dark Apostle ! I can properly form a Word Bearers army. Lots of cultists, + daemon allies.

I'm just hoping that the Sonic Blasters my noise marines still have to purchase have been dropped down to 3 points rather than 5 points. At least having 16 point Noise Marines means I can make it a mainstay troop thats better than Space wolves.

 Lucre wrote:
So is there a unit anyone here is excited or particularly hopeful about?

I for one am sorta jazzed about the potential for a price drop on CSM bodies and the option to have 2 heavy or two special.

The thought of having a 10 man backfield scoring unit in a combi weapon rhino with two autocannons sounds really attractive to me.

I have over 100 CSM infantry modles. Cheaper infantry has me excited.

Cultists and new deamon engines is great too.

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