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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
It's more when they join to WAAC that it's bad, which is usually the case

More like that's what everyone assumes is usually the case. It's been proven before that not every army that comes out is automatically "broken", Tyranids and Dark Eldar being good examples...everyone got fethed over in those two examples, both people who had been playing for years and people wanting to start new armies (I personally gave up on Tyranids after the last codex, I've tried to start them up twice and I don't think I EVER will now because the last codex was just that bad). Even if it were the case though, who's to blame for that one, the guys who want to win with the army most capable, or GW who deliberately plan their releases this way to maximize sales (which seems an odd thing to do if supposedly all their money comes from "craft hobbyists" who collect but don't play, but hey, whatever)?

I'd blame GW, personally. Don't know why the players should be the ones to take responsibility for choices GW made.

I am actually looking forward to the Daemon Engines most of all - cant wait to see more rumours/pics about these!

I try to field a fluffy Iron Warriors army so it is highly unlikely i would ever user any Raptors (even if they are awesome) or even Bikers...i might even avoid the CC Oblits tbh.

Anyone who has played Chaos for a while will most likely have a solid base of CSM models that can be readily/easily converted.

I might get some Cultists but i am leaning more towards guardsmen for some squishy allies instead (the ability to bring in a Bassie or 3 is attractive as well) - we'll have to see.

I just want a new codex so I can finish converting my army. I was converting a bunch of Death Company into badass looking Raptors, I'm in the middle of a beastly Nurgle demon prince with big Balrogg wings.. and some death guard from forgeworld. I decided to put it all on hold an instead im painting the rest of my khorne berzerkrers as I know they are probably still very viable.

I love the demon engines, the hellbrutes, the cultists, the chosen, Kranon.. It's all pretty sick looking and I hope that the Chosen are a style of armor for the future of Chaos.. It wouldnt be very hard for to blow a bunch of money on new CSM if they looked like that (even tho i have 50 plastic ones ).

I had a dream last night that there was a warp rift type deployment for chaos if you have a sorcerer.

Do dreams count as rumors?

Do you hear the voices too?

Added the cultist stuff to the tracking page.


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Faeit 212 from Anon wrote:There's been a big white dwarf overhaul for October but it's now finished and finalized.

Chaos Space Marines are available for pre-order on the 29th of September and for sale retail on the 6th of October.

They will be present at Games Day UK however, for anyone who wants to see / read but will not be for sale or pre-order even for people who are there in person.

The Horus Heresy Book 1 - Betrayal will share the same release dates, except that there will be a limited number for sale at Games Day.

The entire range of new models will be released on the 6th and 20th (Meaning that every unit entry in the book will have an available box set by the 20th. Some kits that are being redone in a year or more time are not included in what I mean when I say "entire range.")

This has been crunched to make room for another BIG 40k release in November.

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Adding to the tracker

Ahhh pushed back a week every time.

 Brometheus wrote:
Ahhh pushed back a week every time.

I should be a monger.

Dark Angels are coming out on either September 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th, ad infiniti. Just keep pushing it out, I'll be right eventually.

^ you heard it here, folks.

 pretre wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
Ahhh pushed back a week every time.

I should be a monger.

Dark Angels are coming out on either September 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th, ad infiniti. Just keep pushing it out, I'll be right eventually.

Actually I have a rumour to share. I have it on good authority that 40k 7th edition will come out in summer 2016.

decoste007xt wrote:
I just want a new codex so I can finish converting my army.

This. I got the Allied Daemons squared away but there is a huge amount of ideas and conversions waiting for a new book and kits. I have plenty to work on but I always like to work on my Chaos to break the monotony of painting other batches of stuff. Eager to begin on god specific units with the new book.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
Ahhh pushed back a week every time.

I should be a monger.

Dark Angels are coming out on either September 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th, ad infiniti. Just keep pushing it out, I'll be right eventually.

Actually I have a rumour to share. I have it on good authority that 40k 7th edition will come out in summer 2016.

Nice. I'll do you one better. WHFB will be out Summer 2014.

So accord to the sheet faeit post icons will all cost the same?

Without knowing the mechanic/list for icons, we just don't know. I'm not sure there's any information on their costs for cultists, or basic CSMs, for that matter.

Credit to an anon poster on natfka comments section, they spotted the chaos battle force is no longer available on the GW site (UK).

maybe a mistake? Don't remember it being 80 quid, if it is intended which I hope, a little early to pull stuff for an October release?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440206a&prodId=prod1090186

Still up, but no add to basket option.

Just want the new book so i can see if its worth bringing in khornate allies for my daemons.

 Jackal wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440206a&prodId=prod1090186

Still up, but no add to basket option.

Just want the new book so i can see if its worth bringing in khornate allies for my daemons.

Strange, you can still add it to cart on the American site.

Some kits that are being redone in a year or more time are not included in what I mean when I say "entire range.")

What the hell does that mean?

anyone else notice the change to chosen in the Dark Vengeance quick reference?

they upped the base attacks from 1 to 2

Yep, along with the drop in LD.

We will see how they end up


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on a funny note, my "other half" is telling me that Tau are overdue for an update as well as CSM

wtf, she doesn't even play much. awesome

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
It's more when they join to WAAC that it's bad, which is usually the case

More like that's what everyone assumes is usually the case. It's been proven before that not every army that comes out is automatically "broken", Tyranids and Dark Eldar being good examples...everyone got fethed over in those two examples, both people who had been playing for years and people wanting to start new armies
I'd blame GW, personally. Don't know why the players should be the ones to take responsibility for choices GW made.

And some people like me waited 13 years for a new DE book only to find it one of the least powerful armies when it first came out and quickly relegated back to the shelf after 6th came out. Great models though.

 Exergy wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
It's more when they join to WAAC that it's bad, which is usually the case

More like that's what everyone assumes is usually the case. It's been proven before that not every army that comes out is automatically "broken", Tyranids and Dark Eldar being good examples...everyone got fethed over in those two examples, both people who had been playing for years and people wanting to start new armies
I'd blame GW, personally. Don't know why the players should be the ones to take responsibility for choices GW made.

And some people like me waited 13 years for a new DE book only to find it one of the least powerful armies when it first came out and quickly relegated back to the shelf after 6th came out. Great models though.

de are though for me to fight there is 0ne de player who litterally deceipate every list from any army in our gaming group.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Some kits that are being redone in a year or more time are not included in what I mean when I say "entire range.")

What the hell does that mean?

Likely that the releases coming up will cover any new or missing options in the book. All the options will have models. Then next year would be more chaos kits, but insteadof new units, they will update old kits then, like making Cult Marines into plastic.

 Exergy wrote:

And some people like me waited 13 years for a new DE book only to find it one of the least powerful armies when it first came out and quickly relegated back to the shelf after 6th came out. Great models though.

DE are what they've always been, an army for those who really know what they're doing. DE perform average, just like the majority of 40k armies... but in the hands of a competent player they can do pretty well. In my poor playing hands DE tend to perform independently better than atleast 5 or 6 of the 14 armies... Some players really know how to play their army. I think DE are pretty balanced. If DE suffer its because they were done with the previous edition in mind more than the current, but I don't think they're one of the least "powerful" and I don't the edition change as had nearly as many adverse effects for them as with other armies. That said I think they're a fun army to play with and play against and thats more important than "power" anyways.

DE just got 6th at Nova Open. PRetty good for one of the least competitive armies.

 pretre wrote:
DE just got 6th at Nova Open. PRetty good for one of the least competitive armies.

Having one gimmicky build that performs well does not a balanced army make. Under that rationale Tau are just dandy, as they can still keep bouncing back in their vehicles and firing. Also, railguns and plasma!

DE is a neutered codex. Can it still scratch? Sure. Is it 70% bad or underperforming units after 6th? Certainly. Here's hoping CSM is made to last.

Faeit 212 Anonymous Source wrote:Octobers White Dwarf will be released on 22nd of September.
all store managers got an email today that its release day was relocated to 22nd sept. due to the games day UK.

if the white dwarf announces something, it should be pre-orderable .

this heavily goes against the rumor you got, but usually you can preorder the major announcement that is in the WD on its release.

9th and 10th sept. there is a retail meeting taking place where all the store managers, might be a wrap up of the dark vengeance release

I haven't played chaos since third! I have nothing left! I think they are badass and I get excited about new books.

I've been wanting to make something neat with them for a long time, but they have been so low on gas and haven't much in the way of depth lately.

I am just really wanting the rules for my cultists at this point... I would very much like their point cost (not just rumors of)

Doesn't the DV book give the points cost? (I dont have it so this is an honest question).

How are you supposed to user them in a game if you dont get the points cost for them?!

 Praxiss wrote:
Doesn't the DV book give the points cost? (I dont have it so this is an honest question).

How are you supposed to user them in a game if you dont get the points cost for them?!

Becuase they are only useable in the dv scenarios, i dont get all the hype, they will probably cost as much a guard squad with a worse save of nothing....feth the bonuses if i want guard equvilant squads ill tak ig renagades.