Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor

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**judgedoug**

scipio.au wrote:
Hm.. last update was a week ago, so I presume Tre' is still working on the horses. While I'm not upset, the projected delivery date was now October, then "shipping by October", and now.. well, the Horses have to be cast first, right? As I said, observations. Only relevant in light of the fact that Tre seems to be dead set on starting the next KS in the middle of November (around next week). I dunno about many of the rest of you, but a week before Christmas isn't exactly the time when I'd be welcoming a big chunk of money coming out of the bank to pay for models. Tre seems quite worried about the KS well running dry, but with Reaper's earliest "ship dates" now 2 months on, Dreamforge looking to be 2-3 months late, Sedition Wars looking likely to be 1-2 months late, and his own RBG KS looking to be 1-2 months late from original projections.. and most of all, Christmas about to hit, both KS and IGG are dead to me until January at the earliest.

And even then only after I start to see some returns. The only things I'm thinking I might see this year now are a few figures from Mongoose (last update over 2 weeks ago) and Mantic's Dreadball (who might actually deliver, based on the KoW stuff going out on time).

But yeah, ending a Kickstarter a week or so before Christmas just doesn't seem that well planned to me. Especially given the slightly older demographic that seems to be going in on these will often have families that are going to take extra financial priority over (more) toys for ones' self at that point in the year.

Red Box Games is one of those companies where I don't mind a little delay because they are some of the best sculpts on the planet. Interestingly, I think RBG and other companies are finding out exactly how long production takes and I think the next rounds of KS over the coming year will have much more generous release dates/etc. In the meantime though I bought many RBG figures during his 40% off metals sale, so I'm sated for now (god these goblin miniatures are beautiful).

Did you see the recent Dreadball video? It's basically done at this point, from what I understand. Shipping in a few weeks? If Mantic makes their XMas deadline that makes them the most reliable Kickstarter company

I do agree that the next Red Box KS should honestly wait until at least a good portion of pledgers have gotten their product. Mantic for instance has a lot of goodwill with all those backers having gotten their first wave of Kings of War figures before launching the Dreadball one. But even Mantic should not even touch another KS until the first Kings of War one is totally done with all the stretch goals, etc.

**Azazelx**

It's your call of course, mate. But I for one (and my friends on another forum for a few others) really aren't up for it this time around. There may not be an "optimal" time, but I'd suggest that 2 weeks before Christmas is a pretty sub-optimal time for those of us who have families. In fact it's about as poor a choice of timing as you could choose.

I wish you the best of luck of course, but for my money, 2 weeks into January is a hell of a lot better than 2 weeks before Christmas.

Doug - I agree with what you're saying there as well.

**judgedoug**

scipio.au wrote:
It's your call of course, mate. But I for one (and my friends on another forum for a few others) really aren't up for it this time around. There may not be an "optimal" time, but I'd suggest that 2 weeks before Christmas is a pretty sub-optimal time for those of us who have families. In fact it's about as poor a choice of timing as you could choose.

I wish you the best of luck of course, but for my money, 2 weeks into January is a hell of a lot better than 2 weeks before Christmas.

Doug - I agree with what you're saying there as well.

Scipio - I also agree with what you're saying there. Agreefest 2012.

Seriously, I love Tre's sculpts, but I don't think I'd be able to support another RBG Kickstarter - or ANY Kickstarter for that matter - until January. Even if RBG does another one, I probably won't be able to support more than a small token amount, no matter how much I'd want ALL the sculpts (like the last one where I supported at the highest level). We're approaching the time where the only frivolous purchases people can make are on stupid gifts to give to relatives you don't see or talk to for the rest of the year.

**Alpharius**

I guess time will tell!

If he launches in mid-November, can he be successful without the backing of scipio.au (plus his Legion of Friends from Another Forum.com) and judgedoug?!?

**Azazelx**

Yeah, hardy har. it's not a legion, but there's a few of us (half dozen or so?), and I'm sure we're only worth $5-600 based on the last one. (No idea what Doug put in) That's not really the point I'm making. Didn't you just buy a house? And I know you've got a family. Does 2 weeks before Christmas seem like the ideal time for you to be Kickstarting? (compared to, say January?)

That's more the point I'm making. We know Tre will make the first $5k or so within 24 hours. We know that. After that it might get tougher with those of us who have families unable to commit. Probably won't make a difference to single 24 year olds with jobs. Going in January would get the former in without losing the latter, since we know from several of the other campaigns that a 60 day campaign is too long and will stall badly.

Or to put it one final way. If I didn't really want Tre to be successful, I wouldn't give a gak or be posting this stuff here. I feel that a campaign ending so close to Christmas will lose out on a lot of potential pledges due to the time of year and people's priorities. he'd be better off putting together some Christmas set deals or something of new/existing stock (Cavalry! Zombiepocalypse!) that people can buy or drop hints to the wife, and have in hand before/for the big day - etc... A Christmas Sale for stuff now, not a Christmas pre-order Sale (delivered in Feb-March!)

**judgedoug**

Yeah, here's the thing, I will back RBG no matter what when he launches, like I did last time. But last time I was able to up my pledge to the maximum level and then some, to get the biggest pile of goodies possible. This time around, I don't know if that's possible. I'll need money for travel, gifts, food, nonsensical decorations, etc; and those are priority over RBG. So I will still have a pledge, but it'll probably be very low. Now, come January, I'll easily be able to afford to drop 200+ bones again.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Well from the KS comments

"Tre manor 3 days ago

the last of the oriignals will be goign to Ed on Monday. and I will be shippign orders as they are fillable. ED tells me that I shoudl have the wolves, Fenris, and the hordesmen next week. I mistakenly did nto send the weapons for the Varp in with the figures so the mould for that part has nto been made yet. That will eb a minor holdup on those. No tlong now though!

"

and the first report of a reward being received (Tre has started shipping stuff for folk where he's got everything in their pledge back from Ed

"Dan Goodchild

Woo Hoo! Got my minis today! Tre, they are all kinds of awesome; thanks! Also, the art print is really cool."

**RiTides**

What is wrong with the interenet? People have been receiving their stuff, but no unboxing vids/pics!

For shame, Dakka. For shame.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I'll post pretty pictures when mine arrive

(but as I went for the horsemen i'll need to be patient)

**RiTides**

Hopefully someone in the US who didn't order horses will snap a few pics. You know who you are, Anonymous Dakka Lurker!

**Azazelx**

I've got wolves in my order, so I may or may not have them here by Christmas, based on previous RBG orders. Post seems to be quite slow from Tre's part of the country to AU. (And that's during the "normal" time of year...)

**judgedoug**

scipio.au wrote:
I've got wolves in my order, so I may or may not have them here by Christmas, based on previous RBG orders. Post seems to be quite slow from Tre's part of the country to AU. (And that's during the "normal" time of year...)

Holy crap, that sucks. I usually get RBG orders within 2 days, and I'm on the east coast of the US. I've sent plenty of things to AU and it usually takes 2-3 weeks. I wonder why it would take so long for RBG stuff?

**RiTides**

I've sent a number of things to Aus and the UK, and the time seems to vary greatly. My thought was that it depended on where they were in Aus/UK, since obviously I'm in the same spot, but I think it was also just a bit random...

**tre manor**

US mail tends to run faster west to east. That may also apply to shipments to AU. I MIGHT be able to afford to ship packages in parts. I MIGHT be able to do that. IF it is possible I will start shipping everything but the horses next week and then the horses once they arrive. It all depends on the postage costs. Thus far they have been a little less than I anticipated but not by much. IF the margin is such that I can afford to ship the horses separately then that is what I will do but I cannot make any promises. I WILL have ALL packages shipped before Christmas though.

I am really very very sorry for these delays y'all.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Hey Tre,

I'm happy to wait for my horses (KS id is the same as here), so just go for one package for me & save on the costs

as to the delays, I'm fine with them as you've kept us up to date with all the ongoing work

**RiTides**

Tre, have you considered going heavy on the Dverger (dwarfs) in your next Kickstarter, to coincide with the Hobbit movie mania?

Personally, I'm a bit less excited by the prospect of a kickstarter to turn your existing, 1-off sculpts into plastic, than one to introduce more ranked units.

The main thing that keeps me from diving into your range (other than a dislike for the current WHFB rules) is the fact that there's no way for me to make any single army from your range, and your range doesn't match up well with heroic scale ones.

Hence my suggesting Dverger- there will be a lot of LOTR dwarf sales going on, and you could get in on that since your range matches up so well with the LOTR stuff.

So your next campaign offering more units, and less single characters (or at least an even mix) for a few specific armies would be a much better idea than just making a bunch of single characters for a whole range of armies, imo.

**judgedoug**

I love RBG goblins more than any other goblin range. I _really_ hope the next KS reintroduces them and adds more new goblins.

**RiTides**

He mentioned offering all the goblins as one big pack- seems like a good idea.

**Alpharius**

RiTides wrote:
Tre, have you considered going heavy on the Dverger (dwarfs) in your next Kickstarter, to coincide with the Hobbit movie mania?

That would be excellent!

I know I'd like to see Tre do an army's worth of Dwarves...

**tre manor**

I have really been wanting to get back to the Dvergr for a while and to the Njorn as well. I do have plans to put most of the force of the next KS into retooling the existing line but there WILL be new stuff in there as well. And not to worry the goblins are one of the first sets going up.

I am a bit conflicted as to whether to focus on one range at a time or just try to tool up as much as possible from as many different ranges within the line as possible.

We shall see.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

If you want to redo multiple lines I would show everything with goals at the start of the KS so folk know what to expect

If you started with say Dverger and then suddenly 'sprung' Njorn on the backers folk who were expecting pure dwarves would get annoyed

If it was all out there this is less risk of this.

You should also take care to balance the new stuff for each faction you're supporting. Nothing will annoy backers more than if dverger & Njorn backers get new shiney stuff, but the goblin crowd get nothing....

maybe unlock something for each faction with each stretch, keep everybody happy

**RiTides**

Alpharius wrote:
RiTides wrote:
Tre, have you considered going heavy on the Dverger (dwarfs) in your next Kickstarter, to coincide with the Hobbit movie mania?

That would be excellent!

I know I'd like to see Tre do an army's worth of Dwarves...

This! Take my money... why don't you like money

Regardless, I'll be watching closely! And likely pledging if there are ranked Dverger of a few types (say, ranged and combat, or heavy and light... or all 3

)

**Azazelx**

judgedoug wrote:
scipio.au wrote:
I've got wolves in my order, so I may or may not have them here by Christmas, based on previous RBG orders. Post seems to be quite slow from Tre's part of the country to AU. (And that's during the "normal" time of year...)

Holy crap, that sucks. I usually get RBG orders within 2 days, and I'm on the east coast of the US. I've sent plenty of things to AU and it usually takes 2-3 weeks. I wonder why it would take so long for RBG stuff?

Not sure. It wasn't Tre being a slackarse or anything, as they were postmarked when he said he sent them but took 3-5 weeks from memory. I frequently get large boxes shipped from Austin that take 10-14 business days (usually 10), and my Miniature Market orders came in about the same time as well (tending towards the 14) from St.Loius. Stuff from NY tends to take about the same amount of time as well.

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tre manor wrote:
US mail tends to run faster west to east. That may also apply to shipments to AU. I MIGHT be able to afford to ship packages in parts. I MIGHT be able to do that. IF it is possible I will start shipping everything but the horses next week and then the horses once they arrive. It all depends on the postage costs. Thus far they have been a little less than I anticipated but not by much. IF the margin is such that I can afford to ship the horses separately then that is what I will do but I cannot make any promises. I WILL have ALL packages shipped before Christmas though.

I am really very very sorry for these delays y'all.

I wouldn't get too stressed over it. When are the horses (and wolves?) due to get back to you?

**judgedoug**

tre manor wrote:

I have really been wanting to get back to the Dvergr for a while and to the Njorn as well. I do have plans to put most of the force of the next KS into retooling the existing line but there WILL be new stuff in there as well. And not to worry the goblins are one of the first sets going up.

I am a bit conflicted as to whether to focus on one range at a time or just try to tool up as much as possible from as many different ranges within the line as possible.

We shall see.

I rather liked the picking and choosing for ranks/characters like the last one. It allowed me to get exactly what I want. If the next KS has lots of goblins and then dvergr and njorn, I would rather spend most/all of my pledge on the goblins (as I ignored the Aenglish last time around to get all Helsvkakt).

But that's just me and I don't know how much of a nightmare it is for you to do it that way

**tre manor**

I should have the wolves next week.

3-5 weeks eh? Dammit.... I wonder hwy it takes that long from here?

It i san odd thing. I have SO many different ranges withint he line that I am havign a difficult time deciding whether to focus on one at a time or to just pull a " greatest hits " type of KS and then plug in the rest as it comes.

**judgedoug**

tre manor wrote:

I should have the wolves next week.

Is that it then? Is everything else done and cast?

I am seriously so excited to get my stuff. I haven't been this psyched about painting a buncha stuff in a bajillion years.

**RiTides**

Everything but cavalry, I think...

**tre manor**

Yep everythign but the cavalry and the bits for the war staff.

**judgedoug**

Ah, gotcha. So the cav and warstaff are being finished sculpting basically? Then off to Ed to get cast?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Tre has said all the sculpting is done and everything should have been sent to Ed for master making and then casting

(he posted on the KS on 10th Nov that he was sending the last bits over to Ed on Monday)

And Ed (& Brian) were casting the stuff during their own KS, so hopefully they'll have it all off to Tre soon (baring problems)