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 Skerr wrote:
No sure of cc wraithguard is fluffy but it would be cool non the less.

The fluff is arbitrary. It's purpose is to serve the miniature releases. Pretty soon it won't be "New CC Wraithguard", it'll be "CC Wraithguard have always existed, we just never showed them before".

To be fair, I've always wondered why there weren't CC Wraithguard.

They would be obscenely useful, what with the "soulless construct" idea.

 CrazyBones wrote:
What's the latest rumor for release? Early 2014?

Mid to late 2013, based on Hasting's schedule:
40k + FB Daemons (First codex in 2013)
Dark Angels
Tau
Eldar

Also, some rumors from Stickmonkey.

From Stickmonkey @ BOLS:

Eldar Miniatures (alongside the codex)
Farseer
2 Aspect Characters
2 other characters (Either HQs or Unit Upgrade characters)
New Aspect (plastic)
Wraithguard (plastic)
New Eldar tank
New Eldar Bomber

Eldar Miniatures (outside the codex)
New Flyer
Guardian Jetbikes - Shining Spears combo-box
2 existing Aspects moved to plastic
Avatar (new model, bigger than a Dreadnought)
Warp Gate (Terrain kit)

 Vhalyar wrote:
Eldar Miniatures (alongside the codex)
Farseer
2 Aspect Characters
2 other characters (Either HQs or Unit Upgrade characters)
New Aspect (plastic)
Wraithguard (plastic)
New Eldar tank
New Eldar Bomber

Eldar Miniatures (outside the codex)
New Flyer
Guardian Jetbikes - Shining Spears combo-box
2 existing Aspects moved to plastic
Avatar (new model, bigger than a Dreadnought)
Warp Gate (Terrain kit)

As foretold in the prophesy...

208263530941100 The Avatar of Khaine RE b09 Len_A 11 cc
208284511450206 Eldar Wraithguard / Cataphracts PL a14 Len_C 02 cc
208284711550201 Eldar Sky Chariots / Shining Spears PL a15 Len_C 02 cc
208285011450208 Eldar Warpspiders / Everguard PL a14 Len_C 02 cc
208285230150200 Eldar Black Warden RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208297830180402 Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister RE c01 XianD 04 cc
208281811450202 Eldar Eldritch Raiders PL a14 Len_C 02 cc
208282112050207 Eldar Webway Gate PL a20 Len_C 02 cc
208283411250206 Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart / Alean Vyper PL a12 Len_C 02 cc
208283512050200 Eldar Spirit Warrior PL a20 Len_C 02 cc
208283911550202 Eldar Dragon Riders PL a15 Len_C 02 cc
208286130150208 Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208286230150207 Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208286330150206 Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208286430150205 Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc

The things I want for my eldar are an assault vehicle or an open toppped transport. . It would make banshees viable again. And I really want to keep the ability to just choose fortune and guide...I don't want to be reduced to hoping for a lucky roll on some daft table...

Thats it and I'll be happy

 Kanluwen wrote:
To be fair, I've always wondered why there weren't CC Wraithguard.

They would be obscenely useful, what with the "soulless construct" idea.

They are very much a construct with a soul.

They are not soulless, being powered by a soul, and speaking, etc

Stickmonkey's rumours make more sense.
CW Eldar jetbike was designed BEFORE DE jetbike, the latter being just a variation. So a new CW Eldar jetbike release seems a given to me.
CC wraithguard? Because new plastic kits usually feature 2 variants, and Iyanden also needs cc troops.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 CrazyBones wrote:
What's the latest rumor for release? Early 2014?

Mid to late 2013, based on Hasting's schedule:
40k + FB Daemons (First codex in 2013)
Dark Angels
Tau
Eldar

I can't speak for FB, but why would Daemons get a new 40k Codex? Their codex is newer than any of the other codexs listed below it AND they got a huge bump from WD. That doesn't really make much sense to me...

I think thats cause they are winning alot of tournaments and lots of CSM players bring them as allies New CSM codex=New Daemons codex I guess

 felixander wrote:

 Vhalyar wrote:

 CrazyBones wrote:
What's the latest rumor for release? Early 2014?

Mid to late 2013, based on Hasting's schedule:
40k + FB Daemons (First codex in 2013)
Dark Angels
Tau
Eldar

I can't speak for FB, but why would Daemons get a new 40k Codex? Their codex is newer than any of the other codexs listed below it AND they got a huge bump from WD. That doesn't really make much sense to me...

Because if they redo Fantasy Daemons they also redo 40k Daemons. GW doesn't redo armies based on who needs it the most, otherwise Bretonnia and Wood Elves would be top priorities, but they are not.

High Elves are also somewhere in this list, either before or after DA if I remember what Hasting said. The only thing he didn't say if the releases are mini-updates in White Dwarf or full-blown releases, so there's some ambiguity there.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 CrazyBones wrote:
What's the latest rumor for release? Early 2014?

Mid to late 2013, based on Hasting's schedule:
40k + FB Daemons (First codex in 2013)
Dark Angels
Tau
Eldar

I think it's more likely that they'll have 4 codices ready to release.

Whether they do or not will depend on sales, if the first one or two do really well no more releases, if they do badly then the others will come out

It's all about generating a steady revenue stream for their institutional investors

Do too well on year and they expect it every year.......

If they redo the Guardians, I might actually play Eldar. Most likely they'll be stuck with that same, terrible kit.

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
If they redo the Guardians, I might actually play Eldar. Most likely they'll be stuck with that same, terrible kit.

What's wrong with them? The kit isn't that bad either, with some basic head swaps or arm changes you can make a dynamic enough squad.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
Another idea on the zentarch is if they look all fancy and HQ like they could be a type of autarch that only specialized in one aspect and therefore make that aspect troops.

That's also known as an Exarch, sorry to burst your bubble, Autarchs have mastered all aspects so you can't have an autarch specializing in one.

Ahh, I haven't picked up my eldar codex in years so I'm a little rusty on the background.

 Mantle wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
Another idea on the zentarch is if they look all fancy and HQ like they could be a type of autarch that only specialized in one aspect and therefore make that aspect troops.

That's also known as an Exarch, sorry to burst your bubble, Autarchs have mastered all aspects so you can't have an autarch specializing in one.

Ahh, I haven't picked up my eldar codex in years so I'm a little rusty on the background.

I thought the consensus was that they were the Phoenix Lords with a new name (the Eldar word for PL)?

@KrootHawk, I like the design of the jetbike but I was hoping they would redo the guardian model, I've never liked the helmets!

In a nutshell:

Aspect Warriors are Eldar that took up a certain "craft". It's a passing phase (passing in Eldar lifetimes).
Exarchs are Aspect Warriors who couldn't move onto anything else and are stuck in that path. They're temple-guardians.
Autarchs are former Aspect Warriors that have dabbled in a variety of aspects and now are pretty much a General of the military.
Phoenix Lords are reincarnating special characters.
Xentachs are something new. Any 'concensus' is pure speculation because GW can and will retcon all they want.

Plus Xentarchs could very well just be the new word for Exarch.

I hope not. Exarch sounds much cooler than Xentarch in my opinion.

 Far Seer wrote:
I hope not. Exarch sounds much cooler than Xentarch in my opinion.

"Xentarch" sounds like a way to turn the Eldar into the Xeriously Force. Which, while not exactly matching the modern GW aesthetic in actuality, sure seems to match it in spirit.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Stickmonkey's rumours make more sense.
CW Eldar jetbike was designed BEFORE DE jetbike, the latter being just a variation. So a new CW Eldar jetbike release seems a given to me.
CC wraithguard? Because new plastic kits usually feature 2 variants, and Iyanden also needs cc troops.

Maybe.

But if the recent CSM release is anything to go buy, it would seem that GW's first priority is to have all "new units" covered with the initial release wave (likely to avoid another "Tervigon'/"Chapterhouse issue")

Whatever else already exists in the line (CSM Cult Marines, Eldar Jetbikes etc..) can probably take a backseat.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Whatever else already exists in the line (CSM Cult Marines, Eldar Jetbikes etc..) can probably take a backseat.

Except maybe Warlock jetbike kits =D

I am with you on warlock bikes as well as farseer bikes.

Anyone seen the chapter house conversions in person? I think their pretty cool myself and am thinking of getting them.

Not a big fan of the Chapterhouse ones. $15 for an upgrade kit on a $15 model? Eek. I'm way too cheap for that.

xentarchs could be used in the same way tau work. Exarch is the "squad leader" upgrade, while the Xentarch is the "Shas'ui" upgrade

I got the CHS kit, but the bike parts look too fiddly for me to dive in yet. I think I'll save them for an Autarch jetbike.

The Farseer figure looks great though, both torsos. And, there are almost enough parts to make a Warlock with the spares.

Seconded: Chapterhouse riders look ace, but jetbike parts are not enough to make the old jetbike look good, but I use other bikes anyway, so no problem.

Hello,

IMHO the eldar need a total revamp. The concept that Gav Thorpe worked out for them back in 3rd ed, just doesnt work. Its not a bash on Thorpe, we could go on and on about that. He is a GREAT creative writer, but his game rules are a little lacking...

But, anyway..

Fix Fire dragons, give them 3+ save and drop the melta bombs...they are a shooting unit. Half the time when they pop a tank in HTH, they take enough casualties to make them almost worthless...

Make the AVATAR AWESOME!!! I remember paying 300 pts under 2nd ed and he was nigh unstoppable!! Now he dies to GROT BLASTERS!!!! Its a game of dice, and whoever can force the opponenet to make and fail enough saves, wins the day... Make him INVULNERABLE to any weapon strength less than his toughness.

Give the farseers the ablility to pick their psychic powers...walking into a battle with the wrong powers is stupid...( Well Farseer Ausi, your fighting Orks, so take some psychic powers that target one or two characters...that should work!! )

Crank up the range of the Shuriken Catapult to 24" Back in the day it was superior to the Bolter and just chewed through units. When a unit of guardians or dire avengers rolls up on an opposing unit, they either destroy them utterly by combining firepower of multiple units or the avengers or guardians die the next round from the retaliation..Either way, its not a very sporting way to play..Its not that eldar players want ULTIMATE DOMINATION, more like..give our boys a chance without having to gang up on my opponent..

And I agree with a number of other posters...The eldar need an assault vehicle. Having to leave my Banshees out in the open for an entire round and just hoping and praying that my opponent has bad luck is again not a very sporting way to play..

Now, I really hope those rumors of Dragon Knights are true...Ive been holding onto units since 2nd ed!!

Anybody else have some feedback?

Well in 2nd we paid a lot more for everything. Space Marines were 30 points each and are now ~16. So using that as a standard of measurement the Avatar has stayed on that 300 point track. But YES he is supposed to be Khaine incarnate, yet he has the same Toughness/Strength as Mephiston... I'd say T7 with 2+/3++ and 4+ FNP and cost him absurdly high. He's slow and is unable to hide inside of squads like most megakillers can.

You make some fine points Felix..

I think we both agree, the Eldar need a boost and the current Avatar just doesnt cut it.

I would like to point out the Eldar Corsair list from FW "Fall of Mymeara".

That list is AWESOME!!! The corsairs use Jetpacks and 24" str 3 lasblasters. They also have access to the Warp Hunter...36" D-cannons using the large blast template!!

They play like the Eldar in BFG---like trying to net guppies in a fish tank.

Check out the list...thats what eldar should be like!!

Andyman