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 Sidstyler wrote:

 Morachi wrote:
As long as the 6th Ed Codex reflects the awesomeness of the models

I wouldn't hold my breath, honestly. They actually made Tau worse than they were before, and I didn't even think that was possible. The new units didn't really add much (even the flyer is overpriced crap), nothing got buffed that really needed it, and what little that worked actually got unnecessarily nerfed. I expect the Eldar codex to be a similar copy/paste job with gakky flyers and nerfs handed out to units that didn't need it.

But hey, at least you might get some good models out of it. Tau didn't even really get much in that department, besides the pathfinders and broadsides (overpriced and now useless in-game since they're now ineffective at what they were designed to do).

This is simply not true. Tau have been given a plethora of options now, and are a very strong codex compare to all of the 6th edition books. 2 markerlights to ignore cover? Cheap outflanking sniper scoring units? The riptide? You may not be happy with their release, but it's a stretch to say they got nerfed.

^ Think he's talking about the current meta for 6th, which is marines with guard allies.

Tau might have gotten better against eldar and other armies that lack AV 13/14, but for tournament purposes they're not competitive outside of a select few units. Kroot and broadsides took the biggest hit, two of the most popular units with the old book. Broadsides could reliably nail a tank, dead. Kroot could hold up assaults for a little while and act as general line infantry/ meatshield. Not so much anymore. The main issue is that they aren't really all that good at shooting in the new book when they should be the best army at shooting in the game, bar none.

Anyway, the new eldar farseer looks great, really looking forward to the Eldar finally being released. It's been far too long and they still have a crappy early 4th edition codex which wasn't even all that competitive back in 4th, and downright laughable in 5th/ 6th. This is the single most annoying thing about GW, they have a glacial release schedule when it comes to rules. If you're going to be paying all this money for an army you don't want to wait a decade between codexes and get completely ignored for an entire edition or two while the 7th or 8th marine codex gets spammed in your face.

I played eldar a lot back in 2nd and 3rd edition, when they kicked ass.

Happy memories of mowing down marines with starcannons (or in 2nd edition, shuriken catapults!) and holofield falcons annoying the hell out of everyone.

Now do the numbers at the top of the sprue, does it correspond to the release rumours that were given months ago with the product code?

If so, then both rumours could be legit.

Already checked. There is no Farseer listed in the rumours anyway. Even if there was however, the number patterns dont match up. So given that bit of food for thought, we may see new Eldar product that isnt listed in the rumours, or even less than is currently listed...

I like the plastic Farseer. I plan to buy one even though I don't collect Eldar.

He might come in handy in a 40K skirmish style game like Inquisimunda or as an ally in 40K.

While he doesn't come with a plethora of options, plastic has the saving grace of being easy to convert.

Interestingly, I just noticed that both the sprue and the copyright on the packaging are attributed to 2012. I guess it further supports how much of the line was already finished and just waiting.


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New Rumor from Faeit212:

In this first we have a very reliable source chiming in on the Eldar. Please remember that these are still rumors, and in fact any information all the way up until codex in hand is considered to be so.

via an anonymous source from the Faeit 212 inbox
Eldar are indeed coming.

Path system has been revamped. Autarchs take paths that are now fixed in point cost (before they became more expensive the more you took) but do not make their aspect troops.

Instead it allows corresponding aspects to be taken as compulsory troops.

Ergo, the Path of the Striking Scorpions would allow you to take up to two striking scorpions as troops.

If you also took the path of Swooping Hawks you could take up to two Swooping Hawks as troops or one and one.

Guardians are a lot cheaper and have more options for special weapons.

New transport for dire avengers / weapon platform (with no transport capacity).

And lots of new goodies.

If tau are the long range shooting army, eldar are a mix with potential units in short, mid and long range

Long range comes almost exclusively from heavy support, however so you need to create a mix it seems.

Aspects are still hyper focused and saw a very small decrease in points except fire dragons.

Haters will hate, but rumors are rumors.

I don't think i will have a problem with the costs being the same on aspect warriors (since eldar shouldn't be horde army anyway).

What i wish is that, i just dont put more then half of the codex away as "thrash" options and make them actually usefull at what they do.

Following the GW pattern, this plastic Farseer should cost $30. The first Plastic singles were...$13-$15. Then the CSM Champ was $20. Then the Herald of Nurlge was $25. All equally unimpressive for plastic kits. All could be packaged with options directly from the codex as there is such an emphasis on accurate representation on models all over the rule book. Especially when acquiring an extra witchblade is difficult. How about an alternate head option? Side arm options? Nope. Every plastic farseer will look the same out of the blister. This plastic kit is superior to the old metal or finecast farseers how, exactly? It will cost more, so tell me, how is this product better.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Following the GW pattern, this plastic Farseer should cost $30. The first Plastic singles were...$13-$15. Then the CSM Champ was $20. Then the Herald of Nurlge was $25. All equally unimpressive for plastic kits. All could be packaged with options directly from the codex as there is such an emphasis on accurate representation on models all over the rule book. Especially when acquiring an extra witchblade is difficult. How about an alternate head option? Side arm options? Nope. Every plastic farseer will look the same out of the blister. This plastic kit is superior to the old metal or finecast farseers how, exactly? It will cost more, so tell me, how is this product better.

Light, durable, easy to convert, easy to assemble?

Fireblade is $20, so I'd expect the same for the Farseer. Most the other prices seem to have stabilized as well. Tanks are $60, large MCs are $85, Fliers are $65-75 (I think the DA flier sales were somewhat poor, so maybe GW decided $65 was a better price point). 10 man Infantry at $35. 3 Pack bikes at $50. Terminator type boxes at $60.

I CANT WAIT!!!

Not for the new plastic Farseer, I cant wait for the Codex.

Ive collected since Rogue Trader and I have an extensive collection. I hung onto my Exodite models from 2nd ed. And My D-cannons have been collecting dust for over a year now.

Unless there are some SWEET plastic new units, I am happy with just getting a GOOD codex.

So stoked for the new release!! Come onnnnnnnn more wraith stuff.

 warpspider89 wrote:
So stoked for the new release!! Come onnnnnnnn more wraith stuff.

There's little doubt that the "big creature" on an oval base is going to be a Wraith thing of some sort. Let's hope it doesn't involve anything that looks like Mechagodzilla, baby carriers, or some chariot that GW shoehorned in.

I'm starting to get excited now.
I've never given up with the Eldar codex but I'm struggling at the moment either in friendly games or comp. Since 6th came out I have less options now than I used to have. I'll be glad just to get something different and something new.

You saw it here first!

Anyone else think it's funny that this leak alone disproves almost all of the rumors we've had so far?

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
This plastic kit is superior to the old metal or finecast farseers how, exactly? It will cost more, so tell me, how is this product better.

Well, not being Finecast will make it superior in and of itself.

I hear you about the lack of options. But the thing is, I'm not sure it's possible to do multi-pose/multi-option Farseers and make them look good. They need swirling robes/capes, and to an extent movement of the fabric implies position o the body. Position of the body should also be implied by the objects in hand- a farseer holding a sword should not stand in the same posture as one holding a spear. So while it could be cool to have something with the versatility of the Empire Wizard kit, I'm not sure Farseers have enough variety to them to warrant that much detail. And so I think a monopost plastic kit, if reasonably priced, would be just fine.

Believe me, I give GW a lot of flack. But honestly if the worst Eldar players have to contend with is an HQ moving from Finecast to plastic, I say they're doing pretty well.

I wonder if the flat plastic bit by his base is to mount him on some kind of platform.

 JOHIRA wrote:

I hear you about the lack of options. But the thing is, I'm not sure it's possible to do multi-pose/multi-option Farseers and make them look good. They need swirling robes/capes, and to an extent movement of the fabric implies position o the body. Position of the body should also be implied by the objects in hand- a farseer holding a sword should not stand in the same posture as one holding a spear.

To be fair, unless they're in a super actiony pose like they're thrusting a spear into someone or slashing with their sword it's not hard to envision them using the weapon as a focus for channeling their powers.

To me that was one of the most disappointing bits of the Grey Knight Terminator kits. There's no real options for the appearance of Grey Knights using their weapons as foci rather than just as weapons.

I wonder if the flat plastic bit by his base is to mount him on some kind of platform.

It looks like it is. If you notice, there's a hole in the base proper which does not have a match on the Farseer himself.

I dislike the current trend by GW of integral textured bases.

I like them, Beisdes as long as the feet are not part of the model, it is fine.

They could have included an option or two in the place of such a base, though. If GW wants to get into the scenic bases business, they ought to make a couple of polystyrene scenic bases sprues or something. Now that would be great, and something they're actually in a uniquely qualified position to pull off. Also, it'd be a great thing to upsell folks on, as well as easily taking a substantial chunk of money which now goes to third parties. Even GW's plastic prices tend to lie a bit under others' resin price range, mostly.

Prediction based on other codex releases so far:

One or two new super units that cost an arm and a leg (ala Heldrake, Riptide)

Popular units will be nerfed, unpopular units will be left alone/buffed.

GW makes money by making new units great, popular units bad....

 Bolognesus wrote:
They could have included an option or two in the place of such a base, though. If GW wants to get into the scenic bases business, they ought to make a couple of polystyrene scenic bases sprues or something. Now that would be great, and something they're actually in a uniquely qualified position to pull off. Also, it'd be a great thing to upsell folks on, as well as easily taking a substantial chunk of money which now goes to third parties. Even GW's plastic prices tend to lie a bit under others' resin price range, mostly.

Just a bit of devil's advocation here:
In most of the cases, there's not a huge problem if you go from the scenic base to a standard base. There's a few where it's a problem(the plastic Saurus immediately springs to mind) but the rest are fairly okay.

I have never been so happy ever. SUPER excited for this figure.

 Dash2021 wrote:
Prediction based on other codex releases so far:

One or two new super units that cost an arm and a leg (ala Heldrake, Riptide)

Popular units will be nerfed, unpopular units will be left alone/buffed.

GW makes money by making new units great, popular units bad....

again i see this I hear this, then i see things like mutilators, warptalons, the new tau flyers, the DA flyer etc etc.... so NO time for a new mantra people...

every dex in 6th SO FAR is balanced against each other... we haven't seen wards first effort yet but then again....

and lets be honest those "popular" units tend to be the only choice in the slots they are in that are worth taking, so a small knock down for them the units that dont get used because they are rubbish get a buff and they are left rather even, making for more choices in those slots... see above examples of units that aren't great, so its not all perfect BUT if GW wanted quicker cash cows, ever codex would have had them rather than just the 2 you mentioned and every new unit would be BS crazy......

lets add to this the Heldrakes terror days are nigh over, as every codex in this edition has ways of dealing with it, or ally in Tau.... a Broadside team will make VERY short work of them....

Neronoxx wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Morachi wrote:
As long as the 6th Ed Codex reflects the awesomeness of the models

I wouldn't hold my breath, honestly. They actually made Tau worse than they were before, and I didn't even think that was possible. The new units didn't really add much (even the flyer is overpriced crap), nothing got buffed that really needed it, and what little that worked actually got unnecessarily nerfed. I expect the Eldar codex to be a similar copy/paste job with gakky flyers and nerfs handed out to units that didn't need it.

But hey, at least you might get some good models out of it. Tau didn't even really get much in that department, besides the pathfinders and broadsides (overpriced and now useless in-game since they're now ineffective at what they were designed to do).

This is simply not true. Tau have been given a plethora of options now, and are a very strong codex compare to all of the 6th edition books. 2 markerlights to ignore cover? Cheap outflanking sniper scoring units? The riptide? You may not be happy with their release, but it's a stretch to say they got nerfed.

No, they aren't a strong codex. They're pretty firmly stuck in "mediocre", like the other 6th edition codices. No, Tau did not get "a plethora of options", if anything options were lost because of the plethora of unnecessary nerfs they got. No, it's not a "stretch" to say they got nerfed because I need only compare it to the last codex, which was already gak to begin with, to tell you they did.

The only way anything you said would have made sense is if, in the bizarre alternate dimension you live in:

S8 is actually better than S10 at destroying heavy armor, what broadsides were designed for and what they've been good at until now.
(It's also wise to take away a shooting army's ability to destroy heavy armor at range, mitigating one of the only strengths they had.)
S3 with no bonus attacks, stealth that only works if the board is covered in forest terrain (most aren't, and good luck at tournaments), and weak guns that require you to sacrifice movement in order to use them at all are awesome for assault troops. It's also totally worth spending 15 points on a leader for said assault troops that basically doesn't provide any buffs or real benefit whatsoever.
18 points for BS3, S3, Ld 6 infantry with one wound and one whole attack at I6 with S5 guns is an amazing value, especially in a slot where they have to compete with flyers.
On that note, expensive flyers with weak armor and S5 weapons is totally strong compared to other flyers.
Stealth suits are still worth using even though they compete for slots with crisis suits that can be outfitted to do what they do, and better.
It's worth paying about 200 points for a giant bullet magnet Gundam with either 12 S6 shots or a single S9 large blast template, both of which have a chance of backfiring and wounding the Gundam.
The hammerhead submunition is totally worth paying 5 points for even though it was barely ever used when it was a regular function of the weapon. The hammerhead is also worthy of the title "gunship" when it has weak S5 weapons and has lost the ability to move as a fast vehicle so that it can actually use them in addition to its main gun.
Sky rays are awesome because you can finally use them as anti-air for a whole six shots and then do absolutely jack feth for the rest of the game.
Expensive characters that don't offer any kind of FOC manipulation and kinda suck at what they're designed to do are actually good.
Not providing buffs to an army's crappy troops so that they stop being crappy, or shifting other crappy units to troops to make up for it (like stealth/crisis suits or even pathfinders via the aforementioned non-existant FOC manipulation) makes them "a strong codex".

Seriously, the only thing, the only thing that got better with this codex, was the removal of 1+ restrictions (which was a given) and the piranha got a slight price drop...but it's still bad, and especially when it competes for slots with the new flyer, which as bad as it is might as well be mandatory because this is the flyers edition and you need them. Oh, and we technically kinda had neat missile drones for about five minutes before GW shut that down (an issue that was worth fixing before the codex even got into people's hands, but as of the time I'm writing this they still haven't addressed the fact that the multi-tracker technically can't be taken because it has no points cost listed on page 95 with the other support systems, despite being listed as a support system earlier on in the book). The Tau codex was a disappointment and anyone who says otherwise is simply deluding themselves. And that's the last I have to say about it.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
This plastic kit is superior to the old metal or finecast farseers how, exactly? It will cost more, so tell me, how is this product better.

Light, durable, easy to convert, easy to assemble?

Personally I don't like how weightless plastic infantry feel. Especially when I'm paying $20 for a single model, makes me feel even more like I'm being ripped off.

"Durable"? More durable than fething metal? lol, maybe plastic is preferable for the people who apparently like to throw their models at the wall as hard as they can while waiting for their opponent to finish his turn, or are just the clumsiest fething people alive and somehow always drop them all on the floor every single time they sit down to play, but personally I never had that problem because I handle my models by the base and don't leave models dangling half-off the table edges, so I say metal is just fine if you aren't careless and stupid.

"Ease of conversion" wouldn't be an issue if the kit was varied enough that you could produce several types of models with it. The SM commander costs the same as the other plastic characters and has way more extra bits, options, etc. The plastic farseer, Tau fireblade, etc. all pretty much go together in one way and can only be customized if you pull out a knife and sculpting putty. Personally I don't think that's a really good selling point anyway, I mean imagine if someone tried to sell you on a car with poor stock performance because aftermarket modification is way easier than normal. Even if its true, I would expect the vehicle to be perfectly fine for the price I'm expected to pay for it even if I don't plan on modding it out. These plastic models aren't fine if the one pose they go in looks goofy or you don't like the idea that your overpriced plastic character will look exactly the same as everyone else's with the only differences being minor things like hand/head swaps.

As for "ease of assembly", if you don't know how to glue an infantry-sized metal model together, that at most never comes in more than 4-5 parts on average, then you should probably find another hobby before you hurt yourself. Modeling is hard, bring a helmet.

That said, I wouldn't mind the plastic characters if they at least had more realistic price points. The WHF plastics all started at about $13-15, reasonable for what you get. At $20+ like all the 40k and newer characters I expect a little bit more for my money. I expect them to at least take full advantage of plastic production and make full-on kits loaded with options. In this case it seems like they're cheaping out yet again, because if they offered a kit like the SM commander to every race then they would be taking up far more shelf space than what the blister packs do.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Morachi wrote:
As long as the 6th Ed Codex reflects the awesomeness of the models

I wouldn't hold my breath, honestly. They actually made Tau worse than they were before, and I didn't even think that was possible. The new units didn't really add much (even the flyer is overpriced crap), nothing got buffed that really needed it, and what little that worked actually got unnecessarily nerfed. I expect the Eldar codex to be a similar copy/paste job with gakky flyers and nerfs handed out to units that didn't need it.

But hey, at least you might get some good models out of it. Tau didn't even really get much in that department, besides the pathfinders and broadsides (overpriced and now useless in-game since they're now ineffective at what they were designed to do).

This is simply not true. Tau have been given a plethora of options now, and are a very strong codex compare to all of the 6th edition books. 2 markerlights to ignore cover? Cheap outflanking sniper scoring units? The riptide? You may not be happy with their release, but it's a stretch to say they got nerfed.

No, they aren't a strong codex. They're pretty firmly stuck in "mediocre", like the other 6th edition codices. No, Tau did not get "a plethora of options", if anything options were lost because of the plethora of unnecessary nerfs they got. No, it's not a "stretch" to say they got nerfed because I need only compare it to the last codex, which was already gak to begin with, to tell you they did.

The only way anything you said would have made sense is if, in the bizarre alternate dimension you live in:

S8 is actually better than S10 at destroying heavy armor, what broadsides were designed for and what they've been good at until now.
(It's also wise to take away a shooting army's ability to destroy heavy armor at range, mitigating one of the only strengths they had.)
S3 with no bonus attacks, stealth that only works if the board is covered in forest terrain (most aren't, and good luck at tournaments), and weak guns that require you to sacrifice movement in order to use them at all are awesome for assault troops. It's also totally worth spending 15 points on a leader for said assault troops that basically doesn't provide any buffs or real benefit whatsoever.
18 points for BS3, S3, Ld 6 infantry with one wound and one whole attack at I6 with S5 guns is an amazing value, especially in a slot where they have to compete with flyers.
On that note, expensive flyers with weak armor and S5 weapons is totally strong compared to other flyers.
Stealth suits are still worth using even though they compete for slots with crisis suits that can be outfitted to do what they do, and better.
It's worth paying about 200 points for a giant bullet magnet Gundam with either 12 S6 shots or a single S9 large blast template, both of which have a chance of backfiring and wounding the Gundam.
The hammerhead submunition is totally worth paying 5 points for even though it was barely ever used when it was a regular function of the weapon. The hammerhead is also worthy of the title "gunship" when it has weak S5 weapons and has lost the ability to move as a fast vehicle so that it can actually use them in addition to its main gun.
Sky rays are awesome because you can finally use them as anti-air for a whole six shots and then do absolutely jack feth for the rest of the game.
Expensive characters that don't offer any kind of FOC manipulation and kinda suck at what they're designed to do are actually good.
Not providing buffs to an army's crappy troops so that they stop being crappy, or shifting other crappy units to troops to make up for it (like stealth/crisis suits or even pathfinders via the aforementioned non-existant FOC manipulation) makes them "a strong codex".

Seriously, the only thing, the only thing that got better with this codex, was the removal of 1+ restrictions (which was a given) and the piranha got a slight price drop...but it's still bad, and especially when it competes for slots with the new flyer, which as bad as it is might as well be mandatory because this is the flyers edition and you need them. Oh, and we technically kinda had neat missile drones for about five minutes before GW shut that down (an issue that was worth fixing before the codex even got into people's hands, but as of the time I'm writing this they still haven't addressed the fact that the multi-tracker technically can't be taken because it has no points cost listed on page 95 with the other support systems, despite being listed as a support system earlier on in the book). The Tau codex was a disappointment and anyone who says otherwise is simply deluding themselves. And that's the last I have to say about it.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
This plastic kit is superior to the old metal or finecast farseers how, exactly? It will cost more, so tell me, how is this product better.

Light, durable, easy to convert, easy to assemble?

Personally I don't like how weightless plastic infantry feel. Especially when I'm paying $20 for a single model, makes me feel even more like I'm being ripped off.

"Durable"? More durable than fething metal? lol, maybe plastic is preferable for the people who apparently like to throw their models at the wall as hard as they can while waiting for their opponent to finish his turn, or are just the clumsiest fething people alive and somehow always drop them all on the floor every single time they sit down to play, but personally I never had that problem because I handle my models by the base and don't leave models dangling half-off the table edges, so I say metal is just fine if you aren't careless and stupid.

"Ease of conversion" wouldn't be an issue if the kit was varied enough that you could produce several types of models with it. The SM commander costs the same as the other plastic characters and has way more extra bits, options, etc. The plastic farseer, Tau fireblade, etc. all pretty much go together in one way and can only be customized if you pull out a knife and sculpting putty. Personally I don't think that's a really good selling point anyway, I mean imagine if someone tried to sell you on a car with poor stock performance because aftermarket modification is way easier than normal. Even if its true, I would expect the vehicle to be perfectly fine for the price I'm expected to pay for it even if I don't plan on modding it out. These plastic models aren't fine if the one pose they go in looks goofy or you don't like the idea that your overpriced plastic character will look exactly the same as everyone else's with the only differences being minor things like hand/head swaps.

As for "ease of assembly", if you don't know how to glue an infantry-sized metal model together, that at most never comes in more than 4-5 parts on average, then you should probably find another hobby before you hurt yourself. Modeling is hard, bring a helmet.

That said, I wouldn't mind the plastic characters if they at least had more realistic price points. The WHF plastics all started at about $13-15, reasonable for what you get. At $20+ like all the 40k and newer characters I expect a little bit more for my money. I expect them to at least take full advantage of plastic production and make full-on kits loaded with options. In this case it seems like they're cheaping out yet again, because if they offered a kit like the SM commander to every race then they would be taking up far more shelf space than what the blister packs do.

"Careless and stupid"? Wow, talk about over reaction.

I've seen how some other players handle their models, and personally I don't think I'm that far off.

Maybe "stupid" is too strong of a word, but I'd care to wager a lot of model mishaps happen purely out of carelessness more than anything else. People are willing to blow stupid amounts of money on toys (not just models, but iPhones and other overpriced crap), but not everyone is particularly good at taking care of their stuff. Can't tell you how many times I've seen $600-800 phones with cracked screens or watched people grab big handfuls of models and practically throw them back into a case.

Also, did you really have to quote my entire post for that?

 Sidstyler wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:


This is simply not true. Tau have been given a plethora of options now, and are a very strong codex compare to all of the 6th edition books. 2 markerlights to ignore cover? Cheap outflanking sniper scoring units? The riptide? You may not be happy with their release, but it's a stretch to say they got nerfed.

No, they aren't a strong codex. They're pretty firmly stuck in "mediocre", like the other 6th edition codices. No, Tau did not get "a plethora of options", if anything options were lost because of the plethora of unnecessary nerfs they got. No, it's not a "stretch" to say they got nerfed because I need only compare it to the last codex, which was already gak to begin with, to tell you they did....

A lot of what you said is true, most certainly, but some of it is simple over-reaction. Yes, broadsides were nerfed, but now they fulfill a different role, and honestly who brings av 13/14 in droves (besides IG)?
Pathfinders aren't assault troops, skyrays are still very good, even with their limited ammunition, and the "giant bullet magnet gundam" is actually pretty decent at not blowing itself up as long as you aren't spamming gets hot and nova charge every turn.
To me however, it seems like most of your comments are basically, "Tau aren't good in a competitive setting, this means they suck!"
Which is wrong on a bunch of levels, not too mention the fact that right now, we have a huge power imbalance in 40k. The 5th edition tourney titans are now competing with the 6th edition books, which all seem to be much more "level" than most of their predecessors. During 5th, Imperial Guard, Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, Grey Knights and Blood Angels were the "big" armies. Now that has changed little going into 6th edition, save for Dark Eldar and Blood Angels being hit harder in nerfs than the other armies.
So, these largely imbalance codexes are the standard in today's meta, and yes, next to them, the new Tau codex is very weak. But so are Daemons, Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines (excluding hell-turkeys). If you compare these four books to each other, you find more of a balance, and if we are to believe what Hastings (harry?) said, that all books are being updated in 6th ed, then that puts a little perspective on where we are headed. If this is the case, then i would be perfectly happy with an Eldar Codex inline with what we have received.

Power levels and the merits of plastic over whatever aside, if these rumours are true:

Path system has been revamped. Autarchs take paths that are now fixed in point cost (before they became more expensive the more you took) but do not make their aspect troops.

Instead it allows corresponding aspects to be taken as compulsory troops.

Ergo, the Path of the Striking Scorpions would allow you to take up to two striking scorpions as troops.

That really would shake up the Eldar meta, perhaps not alter builds but imagine now if 100pts makes you Warp Spiders/Fire Dragons/Hawks scoring? Imagine scoring Shining Spears! Even without a points drop or power increase that would give them a reason to take over Jetseers or just jetbike units.

To everyone who would be a bit disappointed that they wouldn't just make them troops outright, I think that would be too hard to balance and incredibly unfluffy, I think it was an unrealistic hope honestly.. in fact, that earlier set of rumours with all of the new stuff and strange names for things always smelt very fishy to me, there was too much change and as we've seen from Daemons and Tau, they're not making a massive change to existing units and most of the new ones are single-model characters/flyers/oval-based things.

Overall I'm excited to see what they do with it all, haters gonna hate but it'll be nice to have the choice of usable units (and HQs) opened up a bit again.

 azreal13 wrote:

Spoiler:

You saw it here first!

I was expecting something more like one of the Towering Destroyers, but the Bright Stallion would fit better on the oval base, wouldn't it?